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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Fiber trade for product

 

       That is great that you have been able to do that--I too have been in 11yrs this fall.I have sold my fleece,had roving & yarn made,also had end products made,sweaters scarves,ponchos,ect.I have had felted cowboy hats made for myself and supplied the fleece plus more for the time put to making the hats.I will have to put more effort into the trading then---Thanks for the info.  I also read some good ideas in posts to you!! It is nice to have so many options available to all of us.  Always,T
 

Tina Travis  

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Warrenton,MO.63383

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 Alpacas are a rare treasure,

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Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Fiber trade for product

 

Hi Tina,
Actually I have always successfully traded fleece for finished product.  We have been in the business 11 years, and never had any trouble bartering for socks, rovings, scarves, gloves, yarn or whatever.  This has been both firsts and seconds.  The only trouble now is in the last three years I have not been able to keep up with it as much as I used to because of my back, and right now I have a surplus.
Thanks for your input! I have already received a few emails so I am stoked!
Slainte~
Rachelle
 
 
Black Magic Alpaca Ranch
Honesty, Integrity, Quality
Wyatt & Rachelle Black
P.O. Box 457
6500 Digier Road
Lebec, CA
93243
(661-248-6568)
 
 
 

On May 30, 2010, at 9:44 AM, Tina Travis wrote:

>
> It would not be cost effective or profitable for someone to take your raw fleece in return for roving/yarn. It costs to take the fiber to the next stages of processing.So the value just does not come out equal.I am sorry about your medical problems back issues are no fun--I hope you heal fast.Good luck.Possibly you can find a Guild that would be interested in buying all the fleece to split between the entire group. Maybe some others on this thread can come up with some other ideas!!! Always,T
> Tina Travis
>


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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Fiber trade for product

 

Hi Tina,
Actually I have always successfully traded fleece for finished product.  We have been in the business 11 years, and never had any trouble bartering for socks, rovings, scarves, gloves, yarn or whatever.  This has been both firsts and seconds.  The only trouble now is in the last three years I have not been able to keep up with it as much as I used to because of my back, and right now I have a surplus.
Thanks for your input! I have already received a few emails so I am stoked!
Slainte~
Rachelle
 
 
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Honesty, Integrity, Quality
Wyatt & Rachelle Black
P.O. Box 457
6500 Digier Road
Lebec, CA
93243
(661-248-6568)
 
 
 

On May 30, 2010, at 9:44 AM, Tina Travis wrote:

>
> It would not be cost effective or profitable for someone to take your raw fleece in return for roving/yarn.It costs to take the fiber to the next stages of processing.So the value just does not come out equal.I am sorry about your medical problems back issues are no fun--I hope you heal fast.Good luck.Possibly you can find a Guild that would be interested in buying all the fleece to split between the entire group. Maybe some others on this thread can come up with some other ideas!!! Always,T
> Tina Travis
>

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: shearing experience gone bad

 

<<<< Dearest Janet,
We have some wonderful shearers in this part of Ga. Email me privately
if you want some names......you will not have this problem with
them......I would push this lady as far as small claims court....at
least threaten her.

Nancy Miller
Crooked Pine Hollow Alpacas
76 Van Lane
Winterville, Ga. 30683>>>

Thanks Nancy!! I will be contacting you off list.
As far as small claims court, I never threaten anything I do not intend
to follow thru on. I worked many years of my life in the legal
business; I know how to handle lawsuits, so no need for empty threats.
I am quite comfortable in a court of law.

And like Allison said, truth is always the only defense needed against
any threat of libel suits, so I am not worried on that front
either.....besides I have witnesses. I"ve been down that road before
and in fact have an umbrella insurance policy that covers me against
such threats......due to my work outing unethical international adoption
agencies.

Perhaps a list such as Sheri suggested would be a good idea. I have
been heavily involved in the international adoption world for many
years. There are an unbelievable number of skanks in that world. They
threaten horrendous things to potential adoptive parents to keep their
mouth shut about some of the disgusting practices going on.....and most
of these potential parents are so desperate to become parents they fall
into line, shut their mouth, and horrible practices continue. A list
was started that outed these "professionals" and supported parents and
the children needing homes and families. A list that blew the cover
off the underhanded things going on. It can be done.

Janice

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: shearing experience gone bad

 

<<< Pictures of the injuries should always be taken:to protect
yourself in case someone would see the animal and think it was
abuse,notify your vet also in case the Humane Society comes to investigate.
The pics would be helpful if you go to court.The other reason would be
have proof if the animal had died.Just some thoughts that we should all
think about if we are in this situation.Always,T

Tina Travis >>>

Good points Tina. I didn't think to run get a camera; I was in a state
of shock over the amt of blood gushing. But I *do* still have all the
blood soaked rags and paper towels. The fact that my vet was contacted
should suffice after the fact. All I want at this point is for the
woman to do the right thing and refund the money that was overcharged.
I have laid it out in detail in writing to her. She just needs to step
up to the plate and do the right thing.
Janice

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: shearing experience gone bad

 

<<<< Janice - Can you cancel the check or contact your bank about being
overcharged? This happened to me with a chiropractor (not licensed, my
stupidity
for not checking) for my horse and I reported him to the Vet Associations.
Here are the links for yours - they can and will help in this matter when
you tell them how she injured your animal. _http://www.avma.org/_
<http://www.avma.org/_>
(http://www.avma.org/ <http://www.avma.org/>)
_http://www.gvma.net_ <http://www.gvma.net_> (http://www.gvma.net
<http://www.gvma.net>)

Cuts do happen but we have never had ONE in FIVE YEARS. The shearers NEED
to go slow - it may seem advantageous to have it all over with quickly, but
that's always when animals are cut. The slower shearers don't cut them if
they are good. Alpacas have very thin skin compared to other animals and
should not be sheared quickly.

SUSAN OLSON>>>>

Thanks Susan! I'll check into it.
Janice

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: shearing experience gone bad

 

<<< Janice,
Your intentions have been very good, and I am glad that you
have emailed your complaint to the shearer, for they need to know what
they have done wrong. I suppose it is too late to stop payment on the
check, but I would attempt that right away and then if you are able to
accomplish that, rewrite a check for the corrected amount.

In retrospect, the check should have been written after vet bills,
fecals etc were done, or perhaps 2 checks, one for shearing, and one later
when the fecals were reported. Sometimes we have bad experiences, and we
are angriest when we know we should have taken a different course, in this
case, you probably shouldn't have had her back a second time. But your
intentions were good and you have learned a lesson, and a stressful and
expensive one at that. Hind sight is always 20 : 20 isn't it!>>>>

Indeed it is! Gotta love hindsight. How naively trusting of me to
write her such a large check including amts for services not yet
received. My only defense is low blood sugar, stress, fatigue, cranky
and hungry children, and shock at the huge amount. Funny thing is
when I first contacted her about being overcharged it had never occurred
to me to stop payment on the check. I stupidly believed that once I had
pointed out to her the errors she would send me a refund hahahaROFLOL.
She even angrily responded that she was waiting for my check to clear
before she did the fecals. *She* immediately feared I would stop
payment on the check, yet that had not even crossed my mind to do.
Stupid stupid stupid.

<<<Sorry about this bad experience, just try to minimize it
for yourself and move on.
Laurel

PS It would be good for
you to pass along your bad experience to anyone who might be considering
using this person........>>>>>>

Indeed, my bad experience and lack of resolution will be shared. Funny
thing is I could forgive all......I know people make mistakes, I know
people have bad days. As I have already said, I make a lot of
allowances for people. But when that person is unwilling to play nice,
is clearly unethical and more interested in $$$$ than their reputation
or satisfying their customer then the gloves come off.

Thanks for your support, Janice

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: shearing experience gone bad

 

<<<My biggest concern is that someone who is not a vet is doing fecals
... and then actually charging money to do that! Maybe Dr. Ruthanne will
chime in, but I would absolutely consider that a no-no--- but someone in
the vet community would know for sure. I took a seminar to do fecals
from Dr. Ruthanne, but no way would I do them for someone
else.....especially for money. Maybe you could get the vet community on
her, but......I don't know.....I'd say consult with somebody who really
knows that stuff first....or get a lawyer.

Good luck...and no way would I let that woman back on my property. She
may be 'nice', but if she doesn't do the job she was hired to do, she's
out the door for good. 'Nice' just ain't enough, sometimes.
Susan>>>>

Good point about the vet community Susan; I'll check around.
I sure would love to take a seminar or some training on doing fecals.
I've attempted a few times over the years, but I just can't see a thing!
And you are correct - clearly she is not as nice as I gave her credit
for and certainly not a caring person. I make a lot of allowances for
people, but once they reveal themselves to be less than humane they are
out. Her defensive and angry reaction to my concerns about the charges
tell all.

Janice

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: Shearing experience gone bad

 

<<<That is terrible!! I have never heard such a story! I am so sorry
for you.Word of mouth is the only thing I know of--they do not have a
liscense or testing requirement.
I would never do mine without tie downs and stretch.I think it is
safe,effective,and fast.It also allows for taking off the best show
fleece.I wish I could help you in some way.If you still have your herd
next shear please find someone more qualified.I can give you some names
if you need them.So sorry you and your animals went threw such a
traumatic time.When you say she charged you more then normal--What was
the cost per Paca--I hear $25-$35 as a norm.Some even charge a set-up
fee.Almost all shearers do toes and charge a bit more for teeth.
Always,T>>>

Thanks Tina. Word of mouth I am very good at. I believe in supporting
people who are working for themselves (since I am also self employed and
know the value of a satisfied customer/client). I am really good at
talking up people that are doing good work; and I am just as good at
letting it be known when someone is not. It may take a while, but her
lack of ethics will eventually come back to bite her.

She charged $50 per shearing.......when I asked for the $30 barrel cut;
plus some other charges.....supplies (tho she used mine), teeth trimming
(when the other woman actually did the teeth), trip charge (more than
last year, yet her schedule of fees was the same as last year.....she
didn't respond when I asked her if she had moved). Plus $15 per animal
for the fecal for a total of $140 for fecals. She also charges $20 to
trim toes......I had also told her that I wanted to do the toes
myself. I was considerably overcharged. So much for friendship, heh?!

Janice

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: Shearing experience gone bad

 

<<<Hi Janice, I don't know about what recourse you have available but I
have also had a similar experience with a shearer. She came with a
chute, was rude and after having several of my alpacas go wild in the
chute and both my husband and I were knocked down, I stopped her. Told
her enough was enough. One of my girls was only half shorn but I was
fearful of both my animals and our safety. I was lucky enough to find
someone else to come out and shear the rest of my animals after putting
out an SOS on several alpaca groups. I'm sure you have now learned that
you must be more assertive as far as your animals are concerned. The
shearer that rescued me told me he also had other breeders that called
him after they stopped this same person. I am sorry you have had such a
bad experience.

Flossie>>>

Thanks Flossie; indeed I have! I tend to give people more chances than
they deserve :-). I know people have bad days and I make allowances
for rudeness far too often. Good for you for having the wherewithal to
put a stop to your animals nightmare. I, sadly, trusted the shearer
instead of my own instincts.
Janice

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: Shearing experience gone bad

 

<<<I'm not sure I would report her to the camelid community at large,
though, unless you can find at least one other person who has had a
similar experience who would be willing to support you, so that it
wouldn't be a "your word/her word" situation, and your claims would have
more credibility with other breeders. I don't know of any accrediting
organization that you might complain to, although perhaps there is one
that I've not come across.

Has your vet checked out the animals she injured? If so, there is at
least a record of the injuries that your vet could provide an
official statement in support of your claim.

Judith Korff>>>

Well it wouldn't be "my word/her word" since not only did the woman
with her confirm to me that she indeed heard me ask for the least
expensive cut, but also heard me remind the shearer of that during the
first cut. No, my vet never came out, she has made it clear on many
occasions she is not interested in working with camelids, plus she was
out of town. But she does know what happened due to my calling her to
come stitch up the cut. Plus the shearer has acknowledged in email
that she cut my boy pretty badly and how bad she felt about it.

Janice

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