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[AlpacaTalk] Re: [Alpaca meat

Susan,

Thank you.

You and I are on the same page. We wanted the life of Alpaca Farming
because we didn't want to raise animals for food and we love the Alpacas.
We also realized the prices we saw were not realistic and they would have to
come down. Having been self employed for 43 years we were not looking to
make a lot of money. This economy is not good so it will be more difficult
to realize our dream. We will never be wealthy but we can sleep at night.

Shirley Dillon

Alpacas of Gemini Farm
Basking Ridge, NJ 07920

www.alpacanation.com/geminifarm.asp
908-647-2995

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Re: [Alpaca meat

Don:

I think there are 2 major reasons people become involved with this
alpaca industry. For me, and I know at least a few others, the
lifestyle and the 'no-kill' aspect are very big reasons why we got
involved. IF (all caps) we can make a few dollars at some point,
that's really a wonderful thing and certainly hope it happens. I
don't have the acreage or the finances to be in this business on a
large scale and it isn't what I want anyway. I did come in at a time
when the animals were at top dollar, so would like to be able to
recoup those funds. At the same time, we've seen the economy go down
the toilet, so I'm not going to hold my breath on anything getting
much better any time soon on that front.

My point is that I cannot put a dollar value on the joy, peace, sense
of balance, and just plain overall good feelings that having these
animals brings to me. If I someday get so caught up in the business
aspect that I forget to enjoy my life with alpacas, it will be time
to get out. At the same time, I do appreciate those that are working
it as a true business and making their livelihood from
alpacas........and accept that there are many directions that we will
all need to accept, no matter how unpleasant they may seem......such
as the meat/hide industry.

I only wish to point out that there are those of us still around who
don't do the dollars and cents games to the extent that it makes a
huge difference whether we keep these animals or not....and I
personally believe that the future also rides with a lot more people
who are looking for something more joyful to add to their lives...

That's just my 2 cents!........and I think that if I ever ate alpaca
or llama, it would be because I was literally starving! It just
wouldn't go down otherwise, and maybe not even then.........but I do
value their worth in SA as a good source of protein for the
people.......I'm not South American, though.

Susan

PS I recently ran into a local good ole' boy farmer who told me has
a few buried beef cows on his farm.......they eventually died from
old age after producing annually for him and he meant for them to
stay where they'd lived all their lives instead of going to a
rendering plant.....and he said it with conviction and true love for
those animals! I was truly impressed....

At 06:35 PM 10/31/2008, you wrote:

>Following up on both Mary's and Steve's good comments:
>
>Mary: "It is the older alpaca or the alpaca who has not met the criteria
>for being a fiber animal that gets eaten first." I'm sure this is the case,
>but (as I understand it - I'm not personally knowledgeable in this area) the
>number of alpacas that die of old age is relatively few. In this country we
>seem to believe that even poor fiber animals should be kept and allowed to
>"retire" in peace in our pastures. That is a great model for a pet
>industry, but it isn't a working model for a livestock industry.
>
>Steve: "What is amazing though, is that in the country they come from,
>they are eaten, and in this country, they are worth thousands of dollars."
>I don't know about your area, but in this area it is hard to even give away
>fiber boys. All the sanctuaries are full and not accepting more, and most
>farms have more fiber boys than they want to continue to feed with $20/bale
>hay. If you have an animal that you can't give away, it doesn't matter what
>the price of a prime breeding animal is, the animal you are deciding to cull
>is effectively worth $0 other than for their meat. (If you are paying more
>for shearing than you are getting for the fleece, you are subsidizing even
>the one product you hope to be able to sell.)
>
>I want to think that, just as in the horse and cow
>industries, there will always be some animals that are worth 6 figures or
>more. I personally believe, that just like in those industries, the number
>that will command those values will be very few and far between. I think it
>is very likely that we are approaching the days of $1000 dams, $500 sires,
>and $50 fiber boys (and maybe I'm guessing a bit high). The longer we can
>put off getting there the better, but I don't see this economy turning
>around and people's personal finances getting comfortable enough for them to
>run out and spend 5 figures each on several alpacas just to get into the
>business, at least not very soon. Several alpaca auctions recently have
>had no bids on several of their animals - not even $50 - for animals
>portrayed as top quality alpacas.
>
>Ok, I'll shut up again for awhile. I've probably upset a lot of people with
>my comments. Please accept that it isn't my intent to offend anyone, just
>to look at what I perceive the reality of the situation to be.
>
>Don Stanwyck
>
>Carnation, WA
>

Susan Forman & Eric Jenkins
Dewey Morning Alpacas
423 Greenfield-Sabina Rd.
Washington Court House, OH 43160
740-636-1899 Home
937-901-1509 Cell
http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
Home of Huey, Dewey and Louie

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: [Alpaca meat


But on the other hand, I remember reading a story about a Quechua
family having a ceremony and sacraficing their best male to ensure a
good year. I would think any farmer with the same religous beliefs
down there would do the same thing.

Many Americans who have been there will tell you there are no
geldings in South Amercia, and that fiber and cria producing females
usually don't make it beyond 6 years of age.

But then again they also say cria fatalities are as high as 75%, so
it would seem to me that the alpaca is an endangered species in
South America :)

Heidi Christensen
WingNut Farm
Graham WA

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Meacher" <memeacher@...>
wrote:
>
> Just a little clarification on alpaca meat in Peru and other south
> american countries that raise these critters. It just isn't ANY
> alpaca that gets eaten. Their fiber is as valued there, maybe even
> more so than it is here. It is the older alpaca or the alpaca who
> has not met the criteria for being a fiber animal that gets eaten
> first. You won't see many appaloosa alpacas in SA, and they may
not
> be older, but the solid fiber animals, the ones that continually
> produce the best offspring and the best and largest amount of
fiber
> won't be seeing the dinner table any time soon. Guinea pig is more
> of a main stay than the fiber alpaca.
>
> Mary Meacher
> Walnut Valley Alpacas
>
>
>
>
> --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Steve <bntruble@> wrote:
> >
> > Just to add my two cents to the discussion, we also raise meat
> goats here on the farm. We know, someday the cute kid who runs
and
> bounces through the pasture may at some point someones meal
> someday. Livestock seams to run full circle this way. Fact of
> life. What is amazing though, is that in the country they come
> from, they are eaten, and in this country, they are worth
thousands
> of dollars. Seems kinds silly when you really sit and think about
> it. LOL... Can see the conversation over the dinner table
> now..."This main course cost us about $500.00"... Just
kidding...:-)
> >
> > Steve
> > Simple CriaTions Alpaca Ranch
> >
> > On Oct 31, 2008, at 1:48 PM, "Don Stanwyck" <don@> wrote:
> >
> > Linda:
> >
> > Why do you think that people who humanely slaughter their
alpacas
> for meat
> > are evil? This is the normal end of all alpacas in South America
> and, by
> > many estimates, the expected result in the very near future in
> this country.
> > While we have not yet slaughtered any of ours for meat, I have
to
> admit that
> > the day may come when we decide to make the same decision.
> >
> > Alpacas are livestock raised for fleece, pelt, and meat. If you
> choose not
> > to participate in some parts of this livestock business, please
> don't
> > condemn those who choose to make full use of their alpacas.
> That's like
> > saying a cow is only good for milk (have you ever asked what
> happens to
> > little boy dairy cows?). Some day that person you are condemning
> for
> > choosing to eat their alpacas might be me. I know a lot of llama
> farmers
> > who routinely fill their freezer from their own herds, and yes,
I
> know some
> > alpaca farmers who do it as well. It is a choice they have the
> right to
> > make.
> >
> > Don Stanwyck
> >
> > Carnation, WA
> >
> > From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of gogolfarm
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:56 AM
> > To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Alpaca meat
> >
> > A farm in IL was given an alpaca. This animal was slaughtered,
and
> > ended up in their freezer. Be VERY careful in dealing with North
> of the
> > Rock Alpacas. Linda
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

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