[Alpacasite] Re: tax question

Thanks for all the information its all really helped.

--- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, "rchczc" <Radched@a...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Kitty,
>
> I would talk with an accountant, but I did have friends who raised
> sheep, and leased some county land that already had barns and fences
> on it for their sheep and horses. I can't imagine why you wouldn't
> be able to write off any expences. They had a working farm (not a
> hobby), so I would think they encluded it in their taxes, but I never
> asked. Hopefully you would be able to get a very long term lease -
> fencing and shelters are expensive, and if they decide to sell the
> land in a few years you would be out of luck.
>
> Heidi Christensen
> Graham WA
>
>
> --- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, "kittyk546" <kittyk546@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, cloud dancer <clouddancer@i...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello KittyK546,
> > >
> > > You wrote
> > > ____________________________________________________________
> > >
> > > Message: 10
> > > Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:17:08 -0000
> > > From: "kittyk546" <kittyk546@y...>
> > > Subject: I have a tax question....
> > >
> > > hello.....i was reading the tax benefits on owning alpacas and i
> was
> > > wondering if i owned
> > > them on a piece of county property(not mine) but i took care of
> > > them(putting up
> > > shelters,fences, shearing them, feeding them and paying for
> everything
> > > out of my own
> > > pocket)would i still get the tax benefit depreciated from my
> other job?
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > What do you mean by County property (not yours)? Do you mean you
> want
> > > to 1) board on someone else's private ranch, or that you want to
> 2)
> > > build a farm on public land owned by your County?
> > >
> > > The answer will vary depending on what your plan is, but the
> short
> > > answer to the second scenario is that you can't do it.
> > >
> > > Take care,
> > >
> > > Deb
> > >
> > > Cloud Dancer Alpacas
> > > Flagstaff, Arizona
> > > Where Magic Happens!
> > > http://www.clouddanceralpacas.com:
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > i meant public land owned by the county sorry for the mix up.....do
> you mean i can't get
> > the tax depreciation from a second job for owning and taking care
> of alpacas on county
> > land or that i can't set up a farm on public county land? because
> the farm is already set up
> > with the county approving.
> >
>

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[Alpacasite] Re: tax question

Hi Kitty,

I would talk with an accountant, but I did have friends who raised
sheep, and leased some county land that already had barns and fences
on it for their sheep and horses. I can't imagine why you wouldn't
be able to write off any expences. They had a working farm (not a
hobby), so I would think they encluded it in their taxes, but I never
asked. Hopefully you would be able to get a very long term lease -
fencing and shelters are expensive, and if they decide to sell the
land in a few years you would be out of luck.

Heidi Christensen
Graham WA

--- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, "kittyk546" <kittyk546@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, cloud dancer <clouddancer@i...>
wrote:
> >
> > Hello KittyK546,
> >
> > You wrote
> > ____________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:17:08 -0000
> > From: "kittyk546" <kittyk546@y...>
> > Subject: I have a tax question....
> >
> > hello.....i was reading the tax benefits on owning alpacas and i
was
> > wondering if i owned
> > them on a piece of county property(not mine) but i took care of
> > them(putting up
> > shelters,fences, shearing them, feeding them and paying for
everything
> > out of my own
> > pocket)would i still get the tax benefit depreciated from my
other job?
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
------
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > What do you mean by County property (not yours)? Do you mean you
want
> > to 1) board on someone else's private ranch, or that you want to
2)
> > build a farm on public land owned by your County?
> >
> > The answer will vary depending on what your plan is, but the
short
> > answer to the second scenario is that you can't do it.
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Deb
> >
> > Cloud Dancer Alpacas
> > Flagstaff, Arizona
> > Where Magic Happens!
> > http://www.clouddanceralpacas.com:
> >
>
>
>
> i meant public land owned by the county sorry for the mix up.....do
you mean i can't get
> the tax depreciation from a second job for owning and taking care
of alpacas on county
> land or that i can't set up a farm on public county land? because
the farm is already set up
> with the county approving.
>

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[Alpacasite] Re: tax question

--- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, cloud dancer <clouddancer@i...> wrote:
>
> Hello KittyK546,
>
> You wrote
> ____________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:17:08 -0000
> From: "kittyk546" <kittyk546@y...>
> Subject: I have a tax question....
>
> hello.....i was reading the tax benefits on owning alpacas and i was
> wondering if i owned
> them on a piece of county property(not mine) but i took care of
> them(putting up
> shelters,fences, shearing them, feeding them and paying for everything
> out of my own
> pocket)would i still get the tax benefit depreciated from my other job?
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> What do you mean by County property (not yours)? Do you mean you want
> to 1) board on someone else's private ranch, or that you want to 2)
> build a farm on public land owned by your County?
>
> The answer will vary depending on what your plan is, but the short
> answer to the second scenario is that you can't do it.
>
> Take care,
>
> Deb
>
> Cloud Dancer Alpacas
> Flagstaff, Arizona
> Where Magic Happens!
> http://www.clouddanceralpacas.com:
>

i meant public land owned by the county sorry for the mix up.....do you mean i can't get
the tax depreciation from a second job for owning and taking care of alpacas on county
land or that i can't set up a farm on public county land? because the farm is already set up
with the county approving.

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Re: [Alpacasite] Re: Plasma Transfusion based on bovine colostrum reading

Of course Neil is a doc (MD), I'm just an alpaca farmer.
I do IgG testing on all crias, Neil doesn't.
I have never needed a plasma transfer in 100+ births,
If it were mine, and I was somewhat happy with the amount of bovine
colostrum intake in the first 24 hours, I'd personally just keep her on the
watch list, as plasma transfers are not without risk.
FYI, I have used plasma once, but it was oral within the first 12 hours, and
IgG was fine, and cria is soon to have his first birthday

Rick
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> From: "mpcpneilp" <mpcpneilp@aol.com>
> Reply-To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 04:19:01 -0000
> To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Alpacasite] Re: Plasma Transfusion based on bovine colostrum reading
>
> Kati
>
> First, a review of the basics;
>
> In theory, alpaca colostrum is passively tranfered only in the first
> 24 hours. If the cria is to passively transfer antibodies from her
> dam's colostrum (or from anything else she swallows) she must do it
> in the first 24 hours. After that, antibodies in the gut will be
> digested just like any other protein.
>
> Antibodies and antibody testing plates are very specific. Bovine
> colostrum will supply your cria with effective antibodies, however,
> these bovine IgG molecules will not register at all on the plates
> used to test alpaca IgG. Alpaca plates register only alpaca IgG, and
> bovine plates register only bovine IgG.
>
> Serum protein tests will measure both albumen and immunoglobulin (IgG
> and other antibodies). Some folks have suggested getting a simple
> protein level and subtracting the albumen portion. The remainder will
> be a gross measure of serum immunoglobulin. This test is much less
> specific than IgG plating, but it's easier (a simple blood draw and
> send it to the lab). I have never used this method myself, nor do I
> plan on doing so in the future.
>
> And finally, (in my opinion) the alpaca community gives
> disproportionate attention to IgG levels. Health is not dependant
> solely on passive transfer of IgG, though this is one important
> element. The rest of the cria's immune system (white blood cells of
> various kinds and other humeral factors) is also in play and not
> dependant on colostrum. Also important are a healthy, dry, wind
> protected environment, a good bond between mother and cria, and good
> milk (both in quality and amount) from the dam.
>
> So, with that review out of the way, we know you have a healthy
> active cria that is actively gaining weight, and the cria did get
> some bovine colostrum in the first 24 hours.
>
> I can't tell you specifically what to ask your vet. I can only tell
> you what has gone through my own mind when I have been in this
> situation.
>
> If I had a cria who was given bovine colostrum, I would not have
> gotten an (alpaca) IgG measurement. Such a measurement tells me
> nothing, and helps me not in the least in making further decisions.
> If for some reason I had a low alpaca IgG measurement in a situation
> like this I would ignore it.
>
> I would make my decision concerning the need or lack thereof for
> plasma transfusion solely on two factors. 1) Did the cria get
> adequate bovine colostrum, and 2)is the cria healthy, gaining weight,
> and in a safe and protected environment.
>
> Here is one other bit of information as an aside. Kati, I'm sure you
> already know this but some of the newer breeders may not. There are
> very experienced large alpaca farms that never measure IgG and never
> give plasma transfusions. Those that I know personally have very
> successful programs with very, very little cria morbidity or
> mortality. One farm I know had about 80 cria this year. There were no
> cria mortalities, and I've got to think that just based on odds that
> some of those cria had low IgG levels.
>
> Enough from me on this topic. Usual disclaimer; not a vet, just a doc
> who's been raising alpacas for 7 years and thinks about issues like
> this regularly every spring and fall birthing season.
>
> Neil
> A Paca Fun Farm
> Mt. Airy, Maryland
> Sugarloaf Mountain, Maryland
> www.apacafunfarm.com
>
> --- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, "Kati" <kati.dickey@s...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Group,
>>
>> I know that IgG issues have been discussed here quite a bit and
> I've saved a number of them for reference but I'd like a little
> help...
>>
>> We had a cria born Thanksgiving Day (11/24). The dam's milk did
> not come in til the next day so we bottle-fed bovine colostrum during
> the 1st 24 hours. We had some success with this but I would have
> liked to have gotten more into her. Two days later we had her IgG
> tested and today I was advised by the Vet Tech that her IgG was less
> than a 100 and the vet recommended plasma. Now there has been
> discussion here on different types of testing for alpaca versus
> bovine colostrum. Additionally I know that there are different types
> of IgG tests done on alpacas themselves. There was also something
> discussed about measuring total protein when an animal has
> only/primarily been fed bovine colostrum and making a decision on the
> need for a plasma transfusion from that.
>>
>> The Vet Tech indicated that the less than reading was an alpaca IgG
> test but she couldn't give me any more info relative to the issues
> I've discussed above. She said I should call and speak with the vet
> herself tomorrow.
>>
>> My vet is a small animal vet who raises llamas herself. For a
> number of reasons, I'm afraid my confidence in her has been
> compromised but as she lives 2 miles away and there are no other vets
> for miles, I need to maintain a good relationship with her.
>>
>> So when I call her tomorrow, what specifically should I be asking
> her? And what answers should I hear that would tell me a plasma
> transfusion is necessary? I should mention the cria is extremely
> active, nursing well, and has gained almost 4 pounds in the 8 days
> since her birth. Any help would be appreciated!
>>
>>
>> Kati Dickey
>> Hummingbird Woods Alpacas
>> Centreville, MD
>>
>> p.s. any ideas for a name for a cria born on Thanksgiving Day would
> be appreciated! : )
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Alpacasite] Re: Color expression question (REPOST)

Jeannie,

That's actually a simple answer. The term for "powerful" in genetics
is "dominant". Yes dominant genes are the ones that usually show
phenotypically. Generally the heirarchy of what show up is: dominant--
incompletely dominant--recessive.

There is (of course;-) other stuff that goes on as well, but in
general, "powerful"=dominant.

Wishing I were in Texas tonight.........getting colder!

Neil
A Paca Fun Farm
Mt. Airy, Maryland
Sugarloaf Mountain, Maryland
www.apacafunfarm.com

--- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, "Jeannie Wells" <jeannie@b...>
wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I saw a neat little cria (suri) recently that was bay black, with
snips of
> white, silver gray, and what looked to be fawnish-gray on her
face. Her
> mother is very similar, with silver in her blanket . Her sire is, I
> believe, solid black.
>
> My question for all ( and Elizabeth P.?) is: are color genes that
are
> physically expressed "more powerful" (for lack of a better term)
than
> non-expressed ones? Probably not a simple answer ...
>
> Thanks---
>
>
> Jeannie Wells
> Wellspring Suri Alpacas, LLC
> <http://www.wellspringsurialpacas.com/>
> http://www.WellspringSuriAlpacas.com
> 210-698-8018
> Boerne, Texas
> Also on AlpacaNation:
> http://www.alpacanation.com/farmsandbreeders/03_viewfarm.asp?
name=11752
>
>
> What we see depends mainly on what we look for. --- John Lubbock
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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[Alpacasite] Re: Plasma Transfusion based on bovine colostrum reading

Kati

First, a review of the basics;

In theory, alpaca colostrum is passively tranfered only in the first
24 hours. If the cria is to passively transfer antibodies from her
dam's colostrum (or from anything else she swallows) she must do it
in the first 24 hours. After that, antibodies in the gut will be
digested just like any other protein.

Antibodies and antibody testing plates are very specific. Bovine
colostrum will supply your cria with effective antibodies, however,
these bovine IgG molecules will not register at all on the plates
used to test alpaca IgG. Alpaca plates register only alpaca IgG, and
bovine plates register only bovine IgG.

Serum protein tests will measure both albumen and immunoglobulin (IgG
and other antibodies). Some folks have suggested getting a simple
protein level and subtracting the albumen portion. The remainder will
be a gross measure of serum immunoglobulin. This test is much less
specific than IgG plating, but it's easier (a simple blood draw and
send it to the lab). I have never used this method myself, nor do I
plan on doing so in the future.

And finally, (in my opinion) the alpaca community gives
disproportionate attention to IgG levels. Health is not dependant
solely on passive transfer of IgG, though this is one important
element. The rest of the cria's immune system (white blood cells of
various kinds and other humeral factors) is also in play and not
dependant on colostrum. Also important are a healthy, dry, wind
protected environment, a good bond between mother and cria, and good
milk (both in quality and amount) from the dam.

So, with that review out of the way, we know you have a healthy
active cria that is actively gaining weight, and the cria did get
some bovine colostrum in the first 24 hours.

I can't tell you specifically what to ask your vet. I can only tell
you what has gone through my own mind when I have been in this
situation.

If I had a cria who was given bovine colostrum, I would not have
gotten an (alpaca) IgG measurement. Such a measurement tells me
nothing, and helps me not in the least in making further decisions.
If for some reason I had a low alpaca IgG measurement in a situation
like this I would ignore it.

I would make my decision concerning the need or lack thereof for
plasma transfusion solely on two factors. 1) Did the cria get
adequate bovine colostrum, and 2)is the cria healthy, gaining weight,
and in a safe and protected environment.

Here is one other bit of information as an aside. Kati, I'm sure you
already know this but some of the newer breeders may not. There are
very experienced large alpaca farms that never measure IgG and never
give plasma transfusions. Those that I know personally have very
successful programs with very, very little cria morbidity or
mortality. One farm I know had about 80 cria this year. There were no
cria mortalities, and I've got to think that just based on odds that
some of those cria had low IgG levels.

Enough from me on this topic. Usual disclaimer; not a vet, just a doc
who's been raising alpacas for 7 years and thinks about issues like
this regularly every spring and fall birthing season.

Neil
A Paca Fun Farm
Mt. Airy, Maryland
Sugarloaf Mountain, Maryland
www.apacafunfarm.com

--- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, "Kati" <kati.dickey@s...> wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I know that IgG issues have been discussed here quite a bit and
I've saved a number of them for reference but I'd like a little
help...
>
> We had a cria born Thanksgiving Day (11/24). The dam's milk did
not come in til the next day so we bottle-fed bovine colostrum during
the 1st 24 hours. We had some success with this but I would have
liked to have gotten more into her. Two days later we had her IgG
tested and today I was advised by the Vet Tech that her IgG was less
than a 100 and the vet recommended plasma. Now there has been
discussion here on different types of testing for alpaca versus
bovine colostrum. Additionally I know that there are different types
of IgG tests done on alpacas themselves. There was also something
discussed about measuring total protein when an animal has
only/primarily been fed bovine colostrum and making a decision on the
need for a plasma transfusion from that.
>
> The Vet Tech indicated that the less than reading was an alpaca IgG
test but she couldn't give me any more info relative to the issues
I've discussed above. She said I should call and speak with the vet
herself tomorrow.
>
> My vet is a small animal vet who raises llamas herself. For a
number of reasons, I'm afraid my confidence in her has been
compromised but as she lives 2 miles away and there are no other vets
for miles, I need to maintain a good relationship with her.
>
> So when I call her tomorrow, what specifically should I be asking
her? And what answers should I hear that would tell me a plasma
transfusion is necessary? I should mention the cria is extremely
active, nursing well, and has gained almost 4 pounds in the 8 days
since her birth. Any help would be appreciated!
>
>
> Kati Dickey
> Hummingbird Woods Alpacas
> Centreville, MD
>
> p.s. any ideas for a name for a cria born on Thanksgiving Day would
be appreciated! : )
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: [Alpacasite] PVC Skirting table??

Thanks to all for all the great ideas on tables!

Audrey Conklin
West Texas Gold Alpacas
Clint, TX
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[Alpacasite] Re: Nifty trick for snowy poop cart wheels

Dave,

I'd be interested to know as well, but I doubt that one light
application that dries before coming in contact with the ground would
build up much. Anyone with any toxicity info? The MSDS is not helpful
in this regard. I have only found the sites that tout its many
wonderous uses, seems like they can't all be true!

Thanks,

Sue Zelazny
Andes Dandies, LLC
http://www.andesdandies.com
Middleport, NY

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> Hi Sue,
>
> Do you, or does anyone else on the site, know if WD-40 might not
form
> a toxic residue on the grass, for the alpacas, come the thaw? I
> refer to this link regarding the toxicity to
> humans: http://www.camd.lsu.edu/msds/w/wd_40.htm It appears that
> it should not be ingested or inhaled. Does it decompose quickly?
I
> would be concerned.
>
> Dave
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> >Those of us who deal with snow know the hassle of snow buildup on
the
> >wheels of the poop cart in the winter time. I know the wheels on
mine
> >usually completely stop moving and are dragged through the snow
when
> >wet snow sticks to the wheels. Well, I have found that spraying the
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> >don't know how long one application will last yet, but so far it
has
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> >WD-40 got it's name while it was being formulated as a 'water
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is
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> >work by making the wheels slick.
> >
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Re: [Alpacasite] Re: Llama in car...Zoos

Didn't any zoos have them before that?

I am quite sure I saw an alpaca in the Cincinnati zoo when I was in high
school, which would have been in the 70's. I recall being impressed with
its ankle length dred-locked fiber. I now realize it was a huacaya which
had never been shorn (or at least not shorn in a few years). It was also a
dark color and was kept in the same exhibit as the camels.

20-some years later when my mother said "how about raising alpacas?" I knew
just what they were because I had seen this one.
Cathy
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Re: [Alpacasite] Re: Llama in car...

Heidi,

I believe you may be referring to a lovely old dam that died this
year in New Zealand.

See the exchange on Alpaca site from 08/25/05, below (a picture of
Maria is uploaded, in the photo section):

Hi Mike,

I just retrieved this message, though a month late, while deleting a
bunch of old e-mails. I had occasion to visit Ian Nelson 2 years
ago, in the Spring, while I was staying with friends in Ohakune,
NZ. At that time, I had the opportunity to see Maria. She was an
older female, 26 1/2 at the time, with short staple length, with good
conformation for an older female, active and bright-eyed. When I
inquired about her age, I was quite surprised, having assumed that
she might be in her mid to upper teens. I still have a picture of
her, which I would be happy to post to Alpacasite, if anyone is
interested. She was, to my knowledge, the oldest documented alpaca.

I will write privately to Ian Nelson, as well. He was a very
knowledgeable farmer, with some very different ideas about alpaca
husbandry than I was used to seeing in this country, no doubt
emanating from his background with the sheep industry in NZ. I have
a very nice, informative booklet, which he first published in 1990,
entitled "Farming Alpacas in New Zealand". I will always cherish
that visit to his place.

Dave Friedman

David & Esther Friedman
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At 09:29 AM 7/30/2005, you wrote:
>Today an item went past in our Association's newsletter in New Zealand
>recording the recent passing of the very first female alpaca that was
>imported into our country.
>
>She had been purchased from Chester Zoo in the UK and was imported
>into NZ in June 1986 at 10 years of age. Her owner is the foundation
>breeder in our industry who fought the regulatory battles to have
>alpacas classified as farm animals rather than exotics that might only
>be kept in zoos. Maria, together with an accompanying male, endured a
>pretty horrific quarantine and transportation regime during which she
>gave birth to a cria somewhere along the way. Here's a precis from the
>article in the newsletter:-
>
>Maria was a bit thin when I first got her, so I fed her up for a few
>months before mating her and from then on until she was 19 years old
>she produced a cria each January. She had them all completely unaided
>and fed them well even though she got fairly thin doing it. She had
>one more cria when she was 21, but that was the last, even though she
>accepted the male for several more years she did not get pregnant
>again. After the age of 24 she was only shorn every second year as her
>fiber was really not long enough for an annual shearing and it was
>getting very coarse. When she died in April this year Maria had lived
>for 28 years and 9 months
>
>The owner, Ian Nelson, and his wife are now well into their 70s and
>have announced that they will be retiring from alpaca farming in about
>18 months time.
>
>With events like that going past I guess our industry is growing up :-)
>--
>Mike Moller
>Lallybroch Alpacas
>New Zealand
>www.lallybroch.co.nz

At 05:32 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote:

>Didn't any zoos have them before that? Would be an interesting bit
>of trivia to know when the first one came in. Thought I read about
>an alpaca that recently died at 29 and had lived here most of her
>life.
>
>Heidi Christensen
>Graham WA
>
>
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> > Can't speak for llamas, but the alpacas were in 83-84. Background
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> > pg 30-31 of the Hoffman Alpaca Book.
> >
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> > Celestial Alpacas
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> > >OK, since this was in 1957...when WERE the first Llamas brought to
> > >the US ? I "believe" that Alpacas were first imported in 1984 ??
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> > > Interesting pic of a llama in Time Square, 1957
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RE: [Alpacasite] Color expression question (REPOST)

Hi all,

I saw a neat little cria (suri) recently that was bay black, with snips of
white, silver gray, and what looked to be fawnish-gray on her face. Her
mother is very similar, with silver in her blanket . Her sire is, I
believe, solid black.

My question for all ( and Elizabeth P.?) is: are color genes that are
physically expressed "more powerful" (for lack of a better term) than
non-expressed ones? Probably not a simple answer ...

Thanks---

Jeannie Wells
Wellspring Suri Alpacas, LLC
<http://www.wellspringsurialpacas.com/>
http://www.WellspringSuriAlpacas.com
210-698-8018
Boerne, Texas
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[Alpacasite] Plasma Transfusion based on bovine colostrum reading

Hi Group,

I know that IgG issues have been discussed here quite a bit and I've saved a number of them for reference but I'd like a little help...

We had a cria born Thanksgiving Day (11/24). The dam's milk did not come in til the next day so we bottle-fed bovine colostrum during the 1st 24 hours. We had some success with this but I would have liked to have gotten more into her. Two days later we had her IgG tested and today I was advised by the Vet Tech that her IgG was less than a 100 and the vet recommended plasma. Now there has been discussion here on different types of testing for alpaca versus bovine colostrum. Additionally I know that there are different types of IgG tests done on alpacas themselves. There was also something discussed about measuring total protein when an animal has only/primarily been fed bovine colostrum and making a decision on the need for a plasma transfusion from that.

The Vet Tech indicated that the less than reading was an alpaca IgG test but she couldn't give me any more info relative to the issues I've discussed above. She said I should call and speak with the vet herself tomorrow.

My vet is a small animal vet who raises llamas herself. For a number of reasons, I'm afraid my confidence in her has been compromised but as she lives 2 miles away and there are no other vets for miles, I need to maintain a good relationship with her.

So when I call her tomorrow, what specifically should I be asking her? And what answers should I hear that would tell me a plasma transfusion is necessary? I should mention the cria is extremely active, nursing well, and has gained almost 4 pounds in the 8 days since her birth. Any help would be appreciated!

Kati Dickey
Hummingbird Woods Alpacas
Centreville, MD

p.s. any ideas for a name for a cria born on Thanksgiving Day would be appreciated! : )

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[Alpacasite] Re: Llama in car...

Didn't any zoos have them before that? Would be an interesting bit
of trivia to know when the first one came in. Thought I read about
an alpaca that recently died at 29 and had lived here most of her
life.

Heidi Christensen
Graham WA

--- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, Jan Sherrill <pacamom@l...> wrote:
>
> Can't speak for llamas, but the alpacas were in 83-84. Background
on
> pg 30-31 of the Hoffman Alpaca Book.
>
> Cheers,
> Jan Sherrrill
> Celestial Alpacas
>
>
> >OK, since this was in 1957...when WERE the first Llamas brought to
> >the US ? I "believe" that Alpacas were first imported in 1984 ??
> >
> >Holly Zech
> >Pleasant Grove CA
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Anona Tase
> > To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:47 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Alpacasite] Fiber Nutrient Dosage
> >
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Re: [Alpacasite] Nifty trick for snowy poop cart wheels

Janet, what are the sleds made of? I just bought a plastic toboggan to haul hay bales on. But your sled sounds better.

Camille

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Subject: RE: [Alpacasite] Nifty trick for snowy poop cart wheels

We purchased two large utility sleds at Wal-mart. These are not play sleds,
but are meant for outside chores. They are 5+ feet long, and close to 2
feet tall. The nice things about sleds is they can be used year round. In
the spring when things get muddy they are also very nice, and they work well
on the grass in the summer.

Janet Morrow
Mountain Ash
Farm & Web Works

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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:35 PM
To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Alpacasite] Nifty trick for snowy poop cart wheels

Hi listers,

(Rick, you can ignore this post :))

Those of us who deal with snow know the hassle of snow buildup on the
wheels of the poop cart in the winter time. I know the wheels on mine
usually completely stop moving and are dragged through the snow when
wet snow sticks to the wheels. Well, I have found that spraying the
flat (Tread) surface of the wheels with WD-40 cures that problem! I
don't know how long one application will last yet, but so far it has
worked to shed the snow off the plastic wheels!

WD-40 got it's name while it was being formulated as a 'water
displacer', it was the 40th version apparently. So I figured, snow is
frozen water, maybe it'll displace the snow, it does! I don't know,
but using one of those car shine products like Armor All might also
work by making the wheels slick.

Happy poop scooping everyone,

Sue Zelazny
Andes Dandies, LLC
http://www.andesdandies.com
Middleport, NY

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Re: [Alpacasite] Nifty trick for snowy poop cart wheels

Great idea! Thanks! It is barely snowing here right now. But some is in the forecast. I will get my trusty can of WD-40 out of the cupboard.

Camille

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----- Original Message -----
From: andesdandies
To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:35 PM
Subject: [Alpacasite] Nifty trick for snowy poop cart wheels

Hi listers,

(Rick, you can ignore this post :))

Those of us who deal with snow know the hassle of snow buildup on the
wheels of the poop cart in the winter time. I know the wheels on mine
usually completely stop moving and are dragged through the snow when
wet snow sticks to the wheels. Well, I have found that spraying the
flat (Tread) surface of the wheels with WD-40 cures that problem! I
don't know how long one application will last yet, but so far it has
worked to shed the snow off the plastic wheels!

WD-40 got it's name while it was being formulated as a 'water
displacer', it was the 40th version apparently. So I figured, snow is
frozen water, maybe it'll displace the snow, it does! I don't know,
but using one of those car shine products like Armor All might also
work by making the wheels slick.

Happy poop scooping everyone,

Sue Zelazny
Andes Dandies, LLC
http://www.andesdandies.com
Middleport, NY

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Re: [Alpacasite] ARI Login

I've been getting updates. That's how I knew about the online registration, and the fee. They have my correct email address, I believe.

Thanks so much for being on top of this, Jodi !!!!!

Camille

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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] ARI Login

When you get your password and get logged back in, Camille, if you update
your profile with your email address then ARI will have your email address
on file and you can always get your password emailed to you automatically,
without the office staff having to respond. The system will email your
password automatically when you request it.

Alos, you will receive the automatic notices that the system sends to notify
you if there's a registration pending needing your signature and things like
that.

Just FYI.

Have you been receiving ARIgram email messages with news from ARI? (See the
website at http://www.alpacaregistry.net/ARIgram/ARI_index.htm for all of
the ARIgrams.)
Jodi

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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 2:35 PM
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> Oh well, it just isn't working. I've written and asked for my password.
> Sometimes, there's a problem with that.
>
> I typed in: desando.c and what has been, for all these years, my
> password.
>
> Thanks for the help, but I guess I'll have to wait for them to write back.
> I want to pay for my 2006 membership.
>
> Pleasant View Farm Suri Alpacas ~ Camille DeSando,
> Proprietress
> Gilbert, PA ~ Phone: 610-681-3759
> SURI ALPACAS~ALPACA CLOTHING AND ACCESSORIES~FIBER~YARN
> www.pleasantviewfarmalpacas.com desando@ptd.net
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> If opportunity doesn't knock, build a new door.
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> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] ARI Login
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>
>
>
> Hi Camille,
>
> All you have to do is type your last name - dot - first initial. Like
> this:
> desando.c
> If there are more people with your last name, you may have a 1 or 2 after
> your first initial.
>
> Example: wood.b1 -- that would be mine.
>
> Barrie Lynn Wood
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> Ortonville - soon to be Goodrich, MI
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> In a message dated 12/2/2005 1:45:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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> Can't log in to ARI. Time was, I only had to put in the D for DeSando,
> and
> the rest was automatic. Now, they've got pop up blockers. I disabled
> it
> under tools in my internet options. But, I can't remember how to put my
> name
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>
> Help wanted, please.
>
> Camille
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Re: [Alpacasite] National Georgraphic catalog

Hello All,
I was at Tractor Supply the other day and was handed a maganize by the clerk
. She said don't you raise Alpacas? I said may I help you with any ? She
laugh saying this magazine has article called An investment you can hug and
also one on Guard Donkeys. She said all Tractor Supply stores are giving the
magazine away to every customer. Pick one up if you can both articles are
well worth reading.

Regards, Kathorine Wood
Buck Valley Alpacas
Warfordsburg, PA.
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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:39 PM
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> Hi Everyone and Happy Friday!
> Just finished thumbing through today's stack of catalogs and was very
> happy to see in the Holiday 2005 catalog for National Georgraphic 3 alpaca
> sweaters (one men's & 2 ladies), 1 hat and 1 pair of gloves! Yeah
> National
> Geographic!
>
> Hope everyone has a wonderful weekend.
>
> Hums,
> Liz Mitchko
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Re: [Alpacasite] National Georgraphic catalog

Hi Everyone and Happy Friday!
Just finished thumbing through today's stack of catalogs and was very
happy to see in the Holiday 2005 catalog for National Georgraphic 3 alpaca
sweaters (one men's & 2 ladies), 1 hat and 1 pair of gloves! Yeah National
Geographic!

Hope everyone has a wonderful weekend.

Hums,
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Re: [Alpacasite] Llama in car...

Very interesting, Dave.

Some of those early llamas certainly DO look like guanacos. VERY different than the Llamas you see today. And I didn't realize that many Llamas up till the 80's, were the results of so few original ones...thanks for the info!

Holly Zech
Pleasant Grove CA
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Hi Holly,

Here are some interesting links regarding the history of alpacas in the U.S:

http://www.mountlehmanllamas.com/trivia43.html

http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~slm/MtnToe/llama.htm

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Re: [Alpacasite] Llama in car...

Hi Holly,

Here are some interesting links regarding the history of alpacas in the U.S:

http://www.mountlehmanllamas.com/trivia43.html

http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~slm/MtnToe/llama.htm

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From "Llamas for Love and Money", by Rosanna Hart (perhaps a bit
outdated, but informative):

History of Llamas and Alpacas in North America

Zoos have been homes to llamas in this country for over a hundred
years, typically breeding with their offspring generation after
generation. Beginning in the late 1920s, William Randolph Hearst
imported some llamas to roam the hills of his grand San Simeon Estate
on California's central coast. He had a dozen llamas in 1931. Around
that time, the United States government banned importation from any
country where Foot and Mouth Disease was present. Since the ban, some
animals have come in from countries free of the disease, or in more
recent years by undergoing quarantine processes.

It has sometimes been said that the basis of North American stock was
only the Hearst herd, but in actuality there were also the zoo
animals and some others. Still, it is true that thousands of North
American animals are descended from a small number. It has been
estimated that at the time of the importation ban in 1930, there were
two hundred fifty llamas in this country. Many of those were actually
guanacos, an undomesticated close relative of the llama, or
llama-guanaco crosses.

After Hearst died, Roland Lindemann purchased the San Simeon llamas,
which numbered between thirty and forty animals. He took them to his
Catskill Game Farm in Catskill, New York, where llamas are still bred
today. Lindemann also purchased some llamas from zoos. This Catskill
herd grew over time, and was one of several sources from which Dick
and Kay Patterson selected llamas for a herd which has numbered over
five hundred animals. Many breeders today own some Patterson llamas
or descendants of Patterson animals.

During the 1980s, a number of llamas and alpacas were imported from
South America. Many breeders welcomed the new blood lines. while
others were initially reserved. Today, many llamas are described as
"part Bolivian" or "part Chilean" offspring of these imports. All
told, there are probably somewhere around 50,000 llamas in North
America now. That's very small compared to the over fifty million
dogs, forty million cats, or ten million horses. There are over a
quarter of a million donkeys and mules, counted together.

Alpacas

Alpacas are smaller and woollier than llamas, bred by the Indians for
their wool where the llamas were bred more for packing. Alpacas have
a somewhat more herd-oriented disposition. Until recently, there were
very few alpacas in the United States, mostly in zoos. But during the
1980s, several hundred were imported and now there is a thriving
business. In North America as in South America, the alpaca industry
is focused on the production of outstanding wool. Many people prefer
alpacas to llamas because they are smaller and easier to handle as well.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dave

David & Esther Friedman
Adirondack Alpacas
"From the Womb to the Loom"
9568 Old Stage Road
Remsen, NY 13438
www.newyorkalpacas.com
315-831-3040

At 02:39 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
>OK, since this was in 1957...when WERE the first Llamas brought to
>the US ? I "believe" that Alpacas were first imported in 1984 ??
>
>Holly Zech
>Pleasant Grove CA
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> Interesting pic of a llama in Time Square, 1957
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[Alpacasite] Re: tax question

Hello KittyK546,

You wrote
____________________________________________________________

Message: 10
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:17:08 -0000
From: "kittyk546" <kittyk546@yahoo.com>
Subject: I have a tax question....

hello.....i was reading the tax benefits on owning alpacas and i was
wondering if i owned
them on a piece of county property(not mine) but i took care of
them(putting up
shelters,fences, shearing them, feeding them and paying for everything
out of my own
pocket)would i still get the tax benefit depreciated from my other job?
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What do you mean by County property (not yours)? Do you mean you want
to 1) board on someone else's private ranch, or that you want to 2)
build a farm on public land owned by your County?

The answer will vary depending on what your plan is, but the short
answer to the second scenario is that you can't do it.

Take care,

Deb

Cloud Dancer Alpacas
Flagstaff, Arizona
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