[AlpacaTalk] Re: SOS - cria issues

 

I've also seen the trick with using the vet wrap that Robin described work for a cria born with frog legs. Just make a figure 8 that goes on like she described. It helped my cria be able to stand on her own after a few hours.

Rebecca Wells
Alpacadero, LLC
Seattle, WA

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Re: SOS - cria issues

 

Chrys,

Is it the back legs, front legs or both.   We have had frog legs in the back legs on two cria.   I tie them together loosly with  vet wrap for a few days  between the hip and knee.   They can get up and down with it and in a few days are strong enough to do without it.

Robin 

 

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Thanks for all of the advise. This is pretty much what we are doing. I'll just keep feeding and praying.
Chrys
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> After you get milk into the cria you need to prop her so she sits sternal.I would also help her to stand and work her little legs like a mini physical therapy,several times a day.636-459-8930 Tina in Missouri on Elkhorn Alpacas
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> Girl cria born yesterday at 10:30 am. cria's front feet and head emerged from the birth canal and stopped. Mother cushed at this point. Assisted by gently pulling the baby the remainder of the way.
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> Baby is having difficulties standing. she tends to cush with frog legs and lays with head on the floor. Can't stand to nurse, but wants to nurse.
>
> Gave her goat's milk and colostrum from a bottle yesterday. She took 2 ounces. Temp is 99.5 this morning. Babe will not take the bottle, but she seems to be cushing under mom. Possibly getting milk from mother? Not sure. She holds her head up pretty good now until she tries to stand. Can't seem to get her feet under her to get up and if does extremely wobbly and is back down within 5 minutes.
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> Any ideas of what is going on here? Any suggestions (other than an expensive vet call)?
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: SOS - cria issues

 

Hang in there Chyrs! I know every 2 hrs is hard for the first few days.Once she is taking more from the bottle you can extend time between feedings.First at night 4-6 hrs depending on how much or little she takes.I didn't mean to sound rude but it sounded like you hadn't fed her but once yesterday and I knew she would soon crash on you...With dysmature cria its a waiting game to see if the lungs are developed.They are born with enough Surfactant in the lungs for 3days so the body has to be able to make its own surfactant by then or they go into pulmonary arrest.It is possible to do a transfer from mom to cria but it is risky for both and VERY expensive to have done.It has to be done by specialist in a vet school setting.With a bit of good luck she will be a survivor.... I wish the little one the best. Tina in Missouri at Elkhorn Alpacas

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Thanks for all of the advise. This is pretty much what we are doing. I'll just keep feeding and praying.
Chrys
Ruggles, OH
--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, traviselkhornalpacas@... wrote:
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> After you get milk into the cria you need to prop her so she sits sternal.I would also help her to stand and work her little legs like a mini physical therapy,several times a day.636-459-8930 Tina in Missouri on Elkhorn Alpacas
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> Girl cria born yesterday at 10:30 am. cria's front feet and head emerged from the birth canal and stopped. Mother cushed at this point. Assisted by gently pulling the baby the remainder of the way.
>
> Baby is having difficulties standing. she tends to cush with frog legs and lays with head on the floor. Can't stand to nurse, but wants to nurse.
>
> Gave her goat's milk and colostrum from a bottle yesterday. She took 2 ounces. Temp is 99.5 this morning. Babe will not take the bottle, but she seems to be cushing under mom. Possibly getting milk from mother? Not sure. She holds her head up pretty good now until she tries to stand. Can't seem to get her feet under her to get up and if does extremely wobbly and is back down within 5 minutes.
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> Any ideas of what is going on here? Any suggestions (other than an expensive vet call)?
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[AlpacaTalk] Re: SOS - cria issues

 

Thanks for all of the advise. This is pretty much what we are doing. I'll just keep feeding and praying.
Chrys
Ruggles, OH
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> After you get milk into the cria you need to prop her so she sits sternal.I would also help her to stand and work her little legs like a mini physical therapy,several times a day.636-459-8930 Tina in Missouri on Elkhorn Alpacas
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> Girl cria born yesterday at 10:30 am. cria's front feet and head emerged from the birth canal and stopped. Mother cushed at this point. Assisted by gently pulling the baby the remainder of the way.
>
> Baby is having difficulties standing. she tends to cush with frog legs and lays with head on the floor. Can't stand to nurse, but wants to nurse.
>
> Gave her goat's milk and colostrum from a bottle yesterday. She took 2 ounces. Temp is 99.5 this morning. Babe will not take the bottle, but she seems to be cushing under mom. Possibly getting milk from mother? Not sure. She holds her head up pretty good now until she tries to stand. Can't seem to get her feet under her to get up and if does extremely wobbly and is back down within 5 minutes.
>
> Any ideas of what is going on here? Any suggestions (other than an expensive vet call)?
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] SOS - cria issues

 

After you get milk into the cria you need to prop her so she sits sternal.I would also help her to stand and work her little legs like a mini physical therapy,several times a day.636-459-8930 Tina in Missouri on Elkhorn Alpacas

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Girl cria born yesterday at 10:30 am. cria's front feet and head emerged from the birth canal and stopped. Mother cushed at this point. Assisted by gently pulling the baby the remainder of the way.

Baby is having difficulties standing. she tends to cush with frog legs and lays with head on the floor. Can't stand to nurse, but wants to nurse.

Gave her goat's milk and colostrum from a bottle yesterday. She took 2 ounces. Temp is 99.5 this morning. Babe will not take the bottle, but she seems to be cushing under mom. Possibly getting milk from mother? Not sure. She holds her head up pretty good now until she tries to stand. Can't seem to get her feet under her to get up and if does extremely wobbly and is back down within 5 minutes.

Any ideas of what is going on here? Any suggestions (other than an expensive vet call)?

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Ruggles, OH

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] SOS - cria issues

 

Weighing the cria daily at the same time of day will tell you if she is eating enough.
jan davis

On 6/27/2012 4:38 AM, Darlene Long wrote:

 

She sounds dysmature to me even if she's right on time. If she isn't standing she isn't nursing. She needs 1 oz for every pound of body weight every day...so I'd be feeding her every 2 hrs. They often come around once theyhave the extra energy from being fed, and sometimes within 4-5 days they are up and at it. Try and get the mom's milk but if you can't whole fat cows milk or even goat will work. Just feed her. Make sure also she isn't retaining meconium (the first stringy or weird looking bowel movement. I know you don't want to call a vet. If it is within your means to do so, I'd do it. Aside from that, feed her, probiotics, and supportive care for these first few days does wonders.
Good luck,

Dar Long
Serenity Suris
Ontario

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:51 AM, chrystella.volk <chrystella.volk@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Girl cria born yesterday at 10:30 am. cria's front feet and head emerged from the birth canal and stopped. Mother cushed at this point. Assisted by gently pulling the baby the remainder of the way.

Baby is having difficulties standing. she tends to cush with frog legs and lays with head on the floor. Can't stand to nurse, but wants to nurse.

Gave her goat's milk and colostrum from a bottle yesterday. She took 2 ounces. Temp is 99.5 this morning. Babe will not take the bottle, but she seems to be cushing under mom. Possibly getting milk from mother? Not sure. She holds her head up pretty good now until she tries to stand. Can't seem to get her feet under her to get up and if does extremely wobbly and is back down within 5 minutes.

Any ideas of what is going on here? Any suggestions (other than an expensive vet call)?

Chrys Volk
Ruggles, OH

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] SOS - cria issues

 

First you have to get milk into the cria.She is going to get weaker.She needs to be fed about every 2 hrs.Give her a bit of Karo syrup to get her blood sugar up.This needs to be done now. Tina in Missouri

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Girl cria born yesterday at 10:30 am. cria's front feet and head emerged from the birth canal and stopped. Mother cushed at this point. Assisted by gently pulling the baby the remainder of the way.

Baby is having difficulties standing. she tends to cush with frog legs and lays with head on the floor. Can't stand to nurse, but wants to nurse.

Gave her goat's milk and colostrum from a bottle yesterday. She took 2 ounces. Temp is 99.5 this morning. Babe will not take the bottle, but she seems to be cushing under mom. Possibly getting milk from mother? Not sure. She holds her head up pretty good now until she tries to stand. Can't seem to get her feet under her to get up and if does extremely wobbly and is back down within 5 minutes.

Any ideas of what is going on here? Any suggestions (other than an expensive vet call)?

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] SOS - cria issues

 

I agree with Darlene.

Just feed the baby, and I bet she'll stand eventually. Had a premie with the same issue three years ago : Born and couldn't stand. After a day or two, I went out to feed, and there she was, standing and nursing from momma.

Keep us posted.

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Girl cria born yesterday at 10:30 am. cria's front feet and head emerged from the birth canal and stopped. Mother cushed at this point. Assisted by gently pulling the baby the remainder of the way.

Baby is having difficulties standing. she tends to cush with frog legs and lays with head on the floor. Can't stand to nurse, but wants to nurse.

Gave her goat's milk and colostrum from a bottle yesterday. She took 2 ounces. Temp is 99.5 this morning. Babe will not take the bottle, but she seems to be cushing under mom. Possibly getting milk from mother? Not sure. She holds her head up pretty good now until she tries to stand. Can't seem to get her feet under her to get up and if does extremely wobbly and is back down within 5 minutes.

Any ideas of what is going on here? Any suggestions (other than an expensive vet call)?

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Ruggles, OH

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She sounds dysmature to me even if she's right on time. If she isn't standing she isn't nursing. She needs 1 oz for every pound of body weight every day...so I'd be feeding her every 2 hrs. They often come around once theyhave the extra energy from being fed, and sometimes within 4-5 days they are up and at it. Try and get the mom's milk but if you can't whole fat cows milk or even goat will work. Just feed her. Make sure also she isn't retaining meconium (the first stringy or weird looking bowel movement. I know you don't want to call a vet. If it is within your means to do so, I'd do it. Aside from that, feed her, probiotics, and supportive care for these first few days does wonders.
Good luck,

Dar Long
Serenity Suris
Ontario

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:51 AM, chrystella.volk <chrystella.volk@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Girl cria born yesterday at 10:30 am. cria's front feet and head emerged from the birth canal and stopped. Mother cushed at this point. Assisted by gently pulling the baby the remainder of the way.

Baby is having difficulties standing. she tends to cush with frog legs and lays with head on the floor. Can't stand to nurse, but wants to nurse.

Gave her goat's milk and colostrum from a bottle yesterday. She took 2 ounces. Temp is 99.5 this morning. Babe will not take the bottle, but she seems to be cushing under mom. Possibly getting milk from mother? Not sure. She holds her head up pretty good now until she tries to stand. Can't seem to get her feet under her to get up and if does extremely wobbly and is back down within 5 minutes.

Any ideas of what is going on here? Any suggestions (other than an expensive vet call)?

Chrys Volk
Ruggles, OH

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[AlpacaTalk] SOS - cria issues

 

Girl cria born yesterday at 10:30 am. cria's front feet and head emerged from the birth canal and stopped. Mother cushed at this point. Assisted by gently pulling the baby the remainder of the way.

Baby is having difficulties standing. she tends to cush with frog legs and lays with head on the floor. Can't stand to nurse, but wants to nurse.

Gave her goat's milk and colostrum from a bottle yesterday. She took 2 ounces. Temp is 99.5 this morning. Babe will not take the bottle, but she seems to be cushing under mom. Possibly getting milk from mother? Not sure. She holds her head up pretty good now until she tries to stand. Can't seem to get her feet under her to get up and if does extremely wobbly and is back down within 5 minutes.

Any ideas of what is going on here? Any suggestions (other than an expensive vet call)?

Chrys Volk
Ruggles, OH

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