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Tuesday, June 09, 2009

Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hartman Alpaca Sale in Nebraska



I want to thank you for having the courage to speak up about this auction. 


I have heard rumors, way back from when we started in the business, about them, but no one would ever say anything specific or give any details. In fact, one person became very angry and defended them when I brought up the less than stellar reputation that Hartman's has.

I'm sorry their lawyer has contacted you. But, as long as you're telling the truth, I don't see that they have any grounds to silence you.

It really broke my heart to see two local farms send a lot of animals to their auction last year. I wold have loved to have some of them. In fact, this is why we're seeing so many from a particular farm for sale on the groups, daily. 

I have had one other person write privately about Hartmans. I wish everyone who has experience with them wold speak up. And please don't send your alpacas there anymore!

Best regards,
Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Jun 9, 2009, at 3:08 PM, Elizabeth Warynick wrote:




Thanks Janice for your concern about my alpaca situation.  Here is an update:
 
I had a woman in Nebraska offer to go get the one female that I had located
that was still in Nebraska and had not already been resold at the stockyard sales.
I had another very kind woman who offered to front the $650 I needed to go
buy my female back from the man who paid $175 for her at the auction and was going to resell
her at the stockyard sales in the mid-west.  This really helped me out as I have no income and would have
to borrow the money at the bank.  I am happy to say that my female alpaca is now rescued
and at the ranch of the woman in Nebraska who is caring for her until I can get a
transport arranged back home.  I will try to sell her off my ranch to someone I know will love
and care for her.
 
I also received today a registered letter in the mail from a law firm in Nebraska
representing the auctioneer telling me to stop telling things that are not true and to
basically stop talking at all.  I now have to go and see a lawyer to make a reply
letter to this law firm.  Just what I needed is another bill from a law firm as I am
still paying the trust laywer and corportate lawyers for my husband's things.
 
I have asked the auctioneer (via a e-mail that was never answered and via a registered
letter that was never picked up), for my money and my alpacas back.  I am not out to
tell anyone untruths about this or any other firm.  I just want people to know what my
experience was so that nobody else will be hurt in the same manner.  Call me stupid,
but I was totally unaware that this venue would be so poorly attended that they would actually
sell my alpacas for as low as $10
 
I have too much on my plate running our ranch, and dealing with our empty
Big Box Store in Texas to spend my time daily on this.  I just care about people being hurt
and alpacas being traded around like they were sports cards.
 
Elizabeth Warynick
Alpacas de Los Olivos
Los Olivos, CA

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posted by Chaddo at 6:35 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hartman Alpaca Sale in Nebraska



Thanks Janice for your concern about my alpaca situation.  Here is an update:
 
I had a woman in Nebraska offer to go get the one female that I had located
that was still in Nebraska and had not already been resold at the stockyard sales.
I had another very kind woman who offered to front the $650 I needed to go
buy my female back from the man who paid $175 for her at the auction and was going to resell
her at the stockyard sales in the mid-west.  This really helped me out as I have no income and would have
to borrow the money at the bank.  I am happy to say that my female alpaca is now rescued
and at the ranch of the woman in Nebraska who is caring for her until I can get a
transport arranged back home.  I will try to sell her off my ranch to someone I know will love
and care for her.
 
I also received today a registered letter in the mail from a law firm in Nebraska
representing the auctioneer telling me to stop telling things that are not true and to
basically stop talking at all.  I now have to go and see a lawyer to make a reply
letter to this law firm.  Just what I needed is another bill from a law firm as I am
still paying the trust laywer and corportate lawyers for my husband's things.
 
I have asked the auctioneer (via a e-mail that was never answered and via a registered
letter that was never picked up), for my money and my alpacas back.  I am not out to
tell anyone untruths about this or any other firm.  I just want people to know what my
experience was so that nobody else will be hurt in the same manner.  Call me stupid,
but I was totally unaware that this venue would be so poorly attended that they would actually
sell my alpacas for as low as $10
 
I have too much on my plate running our ranch, and dealing with our empty
Big Box Store in Texas to spend my time daily on this.  I just care about people being hurt
and alpacas being traded around like they were sports cards.
 
Elizabeth Warynick
Alpacas de Los Olivos
Los Olivos, CA

From: "houckj@aol.com" <houckj@aol.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 3:23:53 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Hartman Alpaca Sale in Nebraska

<<<<I was so distraught and told him "How could you do such a thing? You
knew I was a widow without money!" He didn't care at all and basically
told me that's the way it goes.>>>>

Dear Elizabeth, I am so very sorry that you have had to go thru, are
going thru this. The heartlessness of mankind never ceases to amaze me.
First, my condolences on the loss of your husband. I lost my best
friend of 25yrs/partner/ husband 2 1/2 yrs ago. I can say beyond belief
that the year after he died I was taken advantage of more times in that
one year than in my previous 50+ years combined. It was unbelievable to
me; as in I couldn't believe it kept happening with everyone I had
interaction with. My husband was the kind of man that would help anyone
anytime with anything. He would give you the shirt off his back. I
can't count how many people we/he helped out. It was second nature to
him. I took it for granted; just assumed most people were like that.
Nope. I must have had a big red screw me sign on my grief stricken over
burdened shoulders because by golly that is what every single male
person did that to hired to help out around here, or purchase a trailer
from, or do any sort of business or interaction with. I am a nice
person and never expect anything else of others. Naive I suppose. But
over and over I was screwed and ripped off in more ways than I can count
and just when there was no money to compensate for the losses. It was
really a tough year (or two). Just when I could have most used some
kindness I got crap.

I am speechless and horrified at what has happened to you......and your
alpacas. I am beyond angry that there are people like that out there.
I hope that you will be able to bring him down; you mentioned the BBB.
I hope they will be helpful. In my limited experience with them they
are virtually useless. However, by sharing your sad story on this list
and hopefully on the other alpaca lists as well, you will help spread
the word about this man and his auction. In the day of the internet
noone can get away with that sort of business practices for long.
Perhaps Heather, or those who know more about the industry than do I,
would have some ideas on how to put a stop to this atrocious practice.
I cannot even begin to imagine the heartache and worry you must be
carrying. If it is some small consolation to you, I have several dearly
loved alpacas that came via auctions. I have never been to an auction,
but I know several of the alpacas that I have purchased over the years
have traveled thru several states and several auctions. My dear Charlie
Brown's papers showed that his entire life (3yo) had been nothing but
being trucked from one auction to the next, in many different states.
He was a sorry sight when I purchased him from an individual. Had on a
halter that clearly had never been taken off as his skin had grown
around it. His ears stayed flat to his head for at least 6 mos after he
arrived here. I worked some of Marty McGee's magic with him, even took
him to one of her seminars where she worked with him, and over time he
came to trust me. I told him time and again that he was home to stay.
His ears came up. He gave me many years of joy and affection and I hope
I did the same for him (he passed away about 2 yrs ago). The male I
have now came via auction and somewhere along the line thru Canada (I
purchased from an individual). He now has a good home here; and here he
will stay, just like all the others, until he is buried here among his
friends. I also have a female, purchased from an individual, that
traveled the auction route. I tell you all this simply to let you know
that these animals can land in good homes. I don't breed or show, I
just love them. Perhaps yours will be as lucky.

As far as what to do with alpacas when one can no longer care for them.
I know of one llama/alpaca rescue in my state, so there must be others
across the country. Also, I would think it would be easy to sell these
magnificent creatures for $500-$1000 every day of the week? A pittance
to someone who has paid tens of thousands of dollars, but certainly
better than $35 or even $175. I am sure there must be plenty of folks
out there like myself that love these guys but are not interested in
breeding or showing, just love having them around, and can't afford the
high prices.

My thoughts are with you. Please keep us informed. And let me know if
there is anything I can do to help you in any way.
Warmly, Janice in NW GA


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posted by Chaddo at 3:08 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hartman Alpaca Sale in Nebraska



Hi Flossie.....thanks so much for your reply and sorry for my delay.
I actually have been treated very wonderfully here where I live.
It's the hardness of the auction in Nebraska who knew my situation
and still didn't care about the fact they took my money.  In fact I received a
letter today from their lawyer saying that I should stop talking about them.
I have only been telling what happened to me so that other's will not have
it happen to them.  I have many others write back about their same
experience there.
It is very hard to loose your spouse but it is even harder to watch so that
people don't take advantage of you as a woman.
Blessings,
Elizabeth Warynick
Alpacas de Los Olivos
Los Olivos, CA

From: Flossie Carmichael <flossie_rnc@hotmail.com>
To: alpacatalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 4:22:47 PM
Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] Hartman Alpaca Sale in Nebraska


OMG, Janice. I am so sorry that happened to you. Thankfully I had the opposite experience when I was widowed at age 25 with 3 little kids. I was overwhelmed by the kindness of others, some much poorer than me. Yes, I had an occasional bad experience but found it made me stonger and smarter. My husband was injured last year and has been unable to work since then. Again I have been touched by the kindness of others including members of the alpaca community. Hang in there. There are many caring people in this world just like you and your husband. Flossie

Flossie and Joe Carmichael
GentleGrangeAlpacas
Jamison,Pa.
Home-215-918- 0339
Cell-267-614- 9620
http://www.alpacana tion.com/ gentlegrange. asp

To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
From: houckj@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:23:53 -0400
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Hartman Alpaca Sale in Nebraska

<<<<I was so distraught and told him "How could you do such a thing? You
knew I was a widow without money!" He didn't care at all and basically
told me that's the way it goes.>>>>

Dear Elizabeth, I am so very sorry that you have had to go thru, are
going thru this. The heartlessness of mankind never ceases to amaze me.
First, my condolences on the loss of your husband. I lost my best
friend of 25yrs/partner/ husband 2 1/2 yrs ago. I can say beyond belief
that the year after he died I was taken advantage of more times in that
one year than in my previous 50+ years combined. It was unbelievable to
me; as in I couldn't believe it kept happening with everyone I had
interaction with. My husband was the kind of man that would help anyone
anytime with anything. He would give you the shirt off his back. I
can't count how many people we/he helped out. It was second nature to
him. I took it for granted; just assumed most people were like that.
Nope. I must have had a big red screw me sign on my grief stricken over
burdened shoulders because by golly that is what every single male
person did that to hired to help out around here, or purchase a trailer
from, or do any sort of business or interaction with. I am a nice
person and never expect anything else of others. Naive I suppose. But
over and over I was screwed and ripped off in more ways than I can count
and just when there was no money to compensate for the losses. It was
really a tough year (or two). Just when I could have most used some
kindness I got crap.

I am speechless and horrified at what has happened to you......and your
alpacas. I am beyond angry that there are people like that out there.
I hope that you will be able to bring him down; you mentioned the BBB.
I hope they will be helpful. In my limited experience with them they
are virtually useless. However, by sharing your sad story on this list
and hopefully on the other alpaca lists as well, you will help spread
the word about this man and his auction. In the day of the internet
noone can get away with that sort of business practices for long.
Perhaps Heather, or those who know more about the industry than do I,
would have some ideas on how to put a stop to this atrocious practice.
I cannot even begin to imagine the heartache and worry you must be
carrying. If it is some small consolation to you, I have several dearly
loved alpacas that came via auctions. I have never been to an auction,
but I know several of the alpacas that I have purchased over the years
have traveled thru several states and several auctions. My dear Charlie
Brown's papers showed that his entire life (3yo) had been nothing but
being trucked from one auction to the next, in many different states.
He was a sorry sight when I purchased him from an individual. Had on a
halter that clearly had never been taken off as his skin had grown
around it. His ears stayed flat to his head for at least 6 mos after he
arrived here. I worked some of Marty McGee's magic with him, even took
him to one of her seminars where she worked with him, and over time he
came to trust me. I told him time and again that he was home to stay.
His ears came up. He gave me many years of joy and affection and I hope
I did the same for him (he passed away about 2 yrs ago). The male I
have now came via auction and somewhere along the line thru Canada (I
purchased from an individual). He now has a good home here; and here he
will stay, just like all the others, until he is buried here among his
friends. I also have a female, purchased from an individual, that
traveled the auction route. I tell you all this simply to let you know
that these animals can land in good homes. I don't breed or show, I
just love them. Perhaps yours will be as lucky.

As far as what to do with alpacas when one can no longer care for them.
I know of one llama/alpaca rescue in my state, so there must be others
across the country. Also, I would think it would be easy to sell these
magnificent creatures for $500-$1000 every day of the week? A pittance
to someone who has paid tens of thousands of dollars, but certainly
better than $35 or even $175. I am sure there must be plenty of folks
out there like myself that love these guys but are not interested in
breeding or showing, just love having them around, and can't afford the
high prices.

My thoughts are with you. Please keep us informed. And let me know if
there is anything I can do to help you in any way.
Warmly, Janice in NW GA

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Re:New Thread + AFCNA clip



Thanks Diana,

 

Have been buried in alligators…so not really current on how to pack the fleeces, …but need the space…2 years fleece in a condo living room does not leave much room for the living part!

AEMF

 

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dianna Jordan
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 3:50 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re:New Thread + AFCNA clip

 




Hi Allison,

On June 1 I sent a message to the AFCNA shareholders regarding the 2009 clip and a few other items.  It sound like you didn't receive it. I will send it to you again in a separate email and check to make sure your email is included in our address list.

 

Regarding the 2009 clip.  Here is a portion of what was written in that communication.

 

Your AFCNA BOD appreciates your patience as we work through the challenges associated with the 2009 clip collection.  It is doubtful that the 2009 Call for Clip will start in July as stated in an earlier communication.  However, it will happen.  Be looking for a special message soon regarding when, where, how, and other changes affecting the clip collection processes.  We will post the information on the AFCNA website at the same time.

Please just keep skirting away then hold the fleece in bags until you receive our final instructions.  We have made some final decisions but do not want to release the information in bits and pieces.  We want to make sure all of the information goes out to everyone at one time.

Thanks for the inquiry,

Dianna Jordan, AFCNA BOD President

 

 

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