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Tuesday, February 05, 2013

Re: [AlpacaTalk] goats & alpacas?

 

Thanks, Tina. We can do that.

Sheryl Till
Alpacas coming soon--no farm name yet
Albany, LA
sctill@mindspring.com

On 2/5/2013 7:08 PM, Tina Travis wrote:
>
>
> Sheryl,
> Some things to think about.The issue of parasites,horns can be
> dangerous,alpacas and goats will compete over the feed.I personally keep
> my goats and alpacas separated.

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] goats & alpacas?

 

Sheryl,
       Some things to think about.The issue of parasites,horns can be dangerous,alpacas and goats will compete over the feed.I personally keep my goats and alpacas separated.

Tina Travis
ElkHorn Alpacas
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Warrenton,MO.63383
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From: Sheryl Till
Sent: ‎2/‎5/‎2013 6:55 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] goats & alpacas?

 

We have 2 goats--one Boer wether and one Kiko girl. We have 10 alpacas
arriving next month. Could they possibly share the same space or do we
need to separate them?

Sheryl Till
Alpacas coming soon--no farm name yet
Albany, LA
sctill@mindspring.com

On 2/5/2013 3:55 PM, Laura Roberts wrote:
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>
> I don't think it would be the end of the world if a few alpacas
> shared a pasture with goats, but I have more than a few of each!

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[AlpacaTalk] goats & alpacas?

 

We have 2 goats--one Boer wether and one Kiko girl. We have 10 alpacas
arriving next month. Could they possibly share the same space or do we
need to separate them?

Sheryl Till
Alpacas coming soon--no farm name yet
Albany, LA
sctill@mindspring.com

On 2/5/2013 3:55 PM, Laura Roberts wrote:
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>
> I don't think it would be the end of the world if a few alpacas
> shared a pasture with goats, but I have more than a few of each!

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] From Maria (Virginia)

 

Goats with horns raise an even larger danger if in with alpacas.Didn't think
of that before.My goats are polled and they have a separate pasture with my little pigs.....
Tina Travis
ElkHorn Alpacas
31655 ElkHorn Glen
Warrenton,MO.63383
636-456-4838
636-459-8930
FB:Tina Hunt Travis(Elkhorn Alpacas)
traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com
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From: Laura Roberts
Sent: ‎2/‎5/‎2013 3:55 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] From Maria (Virginia)

 

Maria,

     Alpacas are curious by nature and will APPROACH stranger danger like idiots.  They will also STOMP your dogs if given the chance.  

     Ours have a Great Pyrenees guardian and accept him as one of the herd, but any other dog is a predator.  I would not encourage any dogs being put in with them, other than a proven LGD.  

     Our mini Aussie likes to race the fenceline with them and thinks it is all a game, but he has learned the hard way that they will stomp him and they can hurt a small dog.  Heck, they can hurt us if they want......especially the 185 lb males.  

      I raise mini dairy goats, also, but will not have them share space for two reasons.  They share parasites for one and two, the alpacas spit when mad or stressed and I don't want my goats spit on and unable to retaliate.  They don't have horns, so that is a non-issue.  When the alpacas spit at each other, it's mutual and an even match, but not with the goats.  

     I don't think it would be the end of the world if a few alpacas shared a pasture with goats, but I have more than a few of each!  

Laura

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:19 AM, maria b <burnsfamilycentral@gmail.com> wrote:
 

Thank you for all your great responses yesterday!

Here's another queston....I have dogs of various sizes. They live in the house with us and have thier own seperate paddock then our alpacas. (they share a fence) I never leave any of my dogs out without us for various reasons. (they can escape the fence, big hawks, fear they may get into the alpaca paddock)

Each time we take them out to potty/play they run along the fence line, sometimes barking, and the alpacas run with them. Back and forth they go, they stop and smell each other through the fence and just seem to enjoy each other. When we leave to bring the dogs inside the alpacas make all sorts of noises as I think they like to play with the dogs and want them to stay outside. Becasue of this I thought I may bring my smallest, easiest going dog inside thier paddock to see how they react. I brought 7 pound Koda (my yorkie) in there and put him on the ground. He just stood there not noticing them at all. The alpacas noticed him immediately and came "running " full speed ahead! I paniced, scooped him up and threw him outside fence!

The alpacas didn't seem cautious at all, they wanted to get to him right away. I got scared. What is this behavior? Would they like him or stampede him?? Our friends said that whe they got baby goats the alpacas loved them and treated them like baby alpacas. (we are getting goats in the spring) Any input on this?

I thought alpacas liked dogs as I have seen them with guard dogs in thier paddocks on many websites.his behavior makes me rethink ever putting them together. I think I'll keep them seperate all the time.

I ran intoa woman at SouthernStates yesterday who said her standard poodles went into her alpaca paddock and the alpacas taught the poodles a lesson. (I guess they didn't like her dogs)

Maria

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] From Maria (Virginia)

 

Maria,

     Alpacas are curious by nature and will APPROACH stranger danger like idiots.  They will also STOMP your dogs if given the chance.  

     Ours have a Great Pyrenees guardian and accept him as one of the herd, but any other dog is a predator.  I would not encourage any dogs being put in with them, other than a proven LGD.  

     Our mini Aussie likes to race the fenceline with them and thinks it is all a game, but he has learned the hard way that they will stomp him and they can hurt a small dog.  Heck, they can hurt us if they want......especially the 185 lb males.  

      I raise mini dairy goats, also, but will not have them share space for two reasons.  They share parasites for one and two, the alpacas spit when mad or stressed and I don't want my goats spit on and unable to retaliate.  They don't have horns, so that is a non-issue.  When the alpacas spit at each other, it's mutual and an even match, but not with the goats.  

     I don't think it would be the end of the world if a few alpacas shared a pasture with goats, but I have more than a few of each!  

Laura

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:19 AM, maria b <burnsfamilycentral@gmail.com> wrote:
 

Thank you for all your great responses yesterday!

Here's another queston....I have dogs of various sizes. They live in the house with us and have thier own seperate paddock then our alpacas. (they share a fence) I never leave any of my dogs out without us for various reasons. (they can escape the fence, big hawks, fear they may get into the alpaca paddock)

Each time we take them out to potty/play they run along the fence line, sometimes barking, and the alpacas run with them. Back and forth they go, they stop and smell each other through the fence and just seem to enjoy each other. When we leave to bring the dogs inside the alpacas make all sorts of noises as I think they like to play with the dogs and want them to stay outside. Becasue of this I thought I may bring my smallest, easiest going dog inside thier paddock to see how they react. I brought 7 pound Koda (my yorkie) in there and put him on the ground. He just stood there not noticing them at all. The alpacas noticed him immediately and came "running " full speed ahead! I paniced, scooped him up and threw him outside fence!

The alpacas didn't seem cautious at all, they wanted to get to him right away. I got scared. What is this behavior? Would they like him or stampede him?? Our friends said that whe they got baby goats the alpacas loved them and treated them like baby alpacas. (we are getting goats in the spring) Any input on this?

I thought alpacas liked dogs as I have seen them with guard dogs in thier paddocks on many websites.his behavior makes me rethink ever putting them together. I think I'll keep them seperate all the time.

I ran intoa woman at SouthernStates yesterday who said her standard poodles went into her alpaca paddock and the alpacas taught the poodles a lesson. (I guess they didn't like her dogs)

Maria

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] From Maria (Virginia) [1 Attachment]

 
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Hi,
Try to start with a rabbit. My dwarf rabbit loved alpacas.
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RE: [AlpacaTalk] From Maria (Virginia)

 

Good morning Maria,
      I do have livestock guardian dogs,Great Pyreness in with my alpacas.I do not allow my other dogs into the pastures with the alpacas.It is dangerous for small dogs and larger dogs could kill or hurt the alpacas.The several LGD breeds have a bond with livestock that is instinct.I recently added a pup to the herd and she had to learn to avoid the alpacas feet at first.
           Goats add a new dimension to parasite control if you house them together and share pastures with the alpacas.

Tina Travis
ElkHorn Alpacas
31655 ElkHorn Glen
Warrenton,MO.63383
636-456-4838
636-459-8930
FB:Tina Hunt Travis(Elkhorn Alpacas)
traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com
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From: Bluebird Hills Farm
Sent: ‎2/‎5/‎2013 8:37 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] From Maria (Virginia)

 

Hi Maria,
Quite simple...
Alpaca are prey animals
Dogs are predators
Sometimes the alpacas tolerate and learn that certain dogs are not predators after all, as is the case with livestock guardian dogs. Any new dog inside their space is a predator until proven otherwise and they will often try to stomp it to death if they think they can, or chase it out.

I would not trust them with a Yorkie or smaller dog for a kick could kill it, much less a stomp.

Laurel
The Shouvlins
Bluebird Hills Farm
3617 Derr Road
Springfield, Ohio 45503
937-206-3936
www.bluebirdhills.com
bluebirdhills@voyager.net

> Thank you for all your great responses yesterday!
>
> Here's another queston....I have dogs of various sizes. They live in the
> house with us and have thier own seperate paddock then our alpacas. (they
> share a fence) I never leave any of my dogs out without us for various
> reasons. (they can escape the fence, big hawks, fear they may get into the
> alpaca paddock)
>
> Each time we take them out to potty/play they run along the fence line,
> sometimes barking, and the alpacas run with them. Back and forth they go,
> they stop and smell each other through the fence and just seem to enjoy
> each other. When we leave to bring the dogs inside the alpacas make all
> sorts of noises as I think they like to play with the dogs and want them
> to stay outside. Becasue of this I thought I may bring my smallest,
> easiest going dog inside thier paddock to see how they react. I brought 7
> pound Koda (my yorkie) in there and put him on the ground. He just stood
> there not noticing them at all. The alpacas noticed him immediately and
> came "running " full speed ahead! I paniced, scooped him up and threw him
> outside fence!
>
> The alpacas didn't seem cautious at all, they wanted to get to him right
> away. I got scared. What is this behavior? Would they like him or stampede
> him?? Our friends said that whe they got baby goats the alpacas loved them
> and treated them like baby alpacas. (we are getting goats in the spring)
> Any input on this?
>
> I thought alpacas liked dogs as I have seen them with guard dogs in thier
> paddocks on many websites.his behavior makes me rethink ever putting them
> together. I think I'll keep them seperate all the time.
>
> I ran intoa woman at SouthernStates yesterday who said her standard
> poodles went into her alpaca paddock and the alpacas taught the poodles a
> lesson. (I guess they didn't like her dogs)
>
>
> Maria
>
>

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: From Maria (Virginia)

 

Thats the impression I got. I just needed to confirm my gut feeling.Thank you doing that.Playing by the fence is as close as they will all get.

Maria

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Bluebird Hills Farm" wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Maria,
> Quite simple...
> Alpaca are prey animals
> Dogs are
> predators
> Sometimes the alpacas tolerate and learn that certain dogs
> are not predators after all, as is the case with livestock guardian dogs.
> Any new dog inside their space is a predator until proven otherwise and
> they will often try to stomp it to death if they think they can, or chase
> it out.
>
> I would not trust them with a Yorkie or smaller dog for
> a kick could kill it, much less a stomp.
>
> Laurel
> The
> Shouvlins
> Bluebird Hills Farm
> 3617 Derr Road
> Springfield,
> Ohio 45503
> 937-206-3936
> www.bluebirdhills.com
> bluebirdhills@...
>
> > Thank you for all your great
> responses yesterday!
> >
> > Here's another queston....I have
> dogs of various sizes. They live in the
> > house with us and have
> thier own seperate paddock then our alpacas. (they
> > share a
> fence) I never leave any of my dogs out without us for various
> >
> reasons. (they can escape the fence, big hawks, fear they may get into
> the
> > alpaca paddock)
> >
> > Each time we take them
> out to potty/play they run along the fence line,
> > sometimes
> barking, and the alpacas run with them. Back and forth they go,
> >
> they stop and smell each other through the fence and just seem to enjoy
> > each other. When we leave to bring the dogs inside the alpacas make
> all
> > sorts of noises as I think they like to play with the dogs
> and want them
> > to stay outside. Becasue of this I thought I may
> bring my smallest,
> > easiest going dog inside thier paddock to see
> how they react. I brought 7
> > pound Koda (my yorkie) in there and
> put him on the ground. He just stood
> > there not noticing them at
> all. The alpacas noticed him immediately and
> > came "running
> " full speed ahead! I paniced, scooped him up and threw him
> >
> outside fence!
> >
> > The alpacas didn't seem cautious at
> all, they wanted to get to him right
> > away. I got scared. What is
> this behavior? Would they like him or stampede
> > him?? Our friends
> said that whe they got baby goats the alpacas loved them
> > and
> treated them like baby alpacas. (we are getting goats in the spring)
> > Any input on this?
> >
> > I thought alpacas liked
> dogs as I have seen them with guard dogs in thier
> > paddocks on
> many websites.his behavior makes me rethink ever putting them
> >
> together. I think I'll keep them seperate all the time.
> >
> > I ran intoa woman at SouthernStates yesterday who said her
> standard
> > poodles went into her alpaca paddock and the alpacas
> taught the poodles a
> > lesson. (I guess they didn't like her
> dogs)
> >
> >
> > Maria
> >
> >
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] From Maria (Virginia)

 

Hi Maria,
Quite simple...
Alpaca are prey animals
Dogs are predators
Sometimes the alpacas tolerate and learn that certain dogs are not predators after all, as is the case with livestock guardian dogs. Any new dog inside their space is a predator until proven otherwise and they will often try to stomp it to death if they think they can, or chase it out.

I would not trust them with a Yorkie or smaller dog for a kick could kill it, much less a stomp.

Laurel
The Shouvlins
Bluebird Hills Farm
3617 Derr Road
Springfield, Ohio 45503
937-206-3936
www.bluebirdhills.com
bluebirdhills@voyager.net

> Thank you for all your great responses yesterday!
>
> Here's another queston....I have dogs of various sizes. They live in the
> house with us and have thier own seperate paddock then our alpacas. (they
> share a fence) I never leave any of my dogs out without us for various
> reasons. (they can escape the fence, big hawks, fear they may get into the
> alpaca paddock)
>
> Each time we take them out to potty/play they run along the fence line,
> sometimes barking, and the alpacas run with them. Back and forth they go,
> they stop and smell each other through the fence and just seem to enjoy
> each other. When we leave to bring the dogs inside the alpacas make all
> sorts of noises as I think they like to play with the dogs and want them
> to stay outside. Becasue of this I thought I may bring my smallest,
> easiest going dog inside thier paddock to see how they react. I brought 7
> pound Koda (my yorkie) in there and put him on the ground. He just stood
> there not noticing them at all. The alpacas noticed him immediately and
> came "running " full speed ahead! I paniced, scooped him up and threw him
> outside fence!
>
> The alpacas didn't seem cautious at all, they wanted to get to him right
> away. I got scared. What is this behavior? Would they like him or stampede
> him?? Our friends said that whe they got baby goats the alpacas loved them
> and treated them like baby alpacas. (we are getting goats in the spring)
> Any input on this?
>
> I thought alpacas liked dogs as I have seen them with guard dogs in thier
> paddocks on many websites.his behavior makes me rethink ever putting them
> together. I think I'll keep them seperate all the time.
>
> I ran intoa woman at SouthernStates yesterday who said her standard
> poodles went into her alpaca paddock and the alpacas taught the poodles a
> lesson. (I guess they didn't like her dogs)
>
>
> Maria
>
>

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[AlpacaTalk] From Maria (Virginia)

 

Thank you for all your great responses yesterday!

Here's another queston....I have dogs of various sizes. They live in the house with us and have thier own seperate paddock then our alpacas. (they share a fence) I never leave any of my dogs out without us for various reasons. (they can escape the fence, big hawks, fear they may get into the alpaca paddock)

Each time we take them out to potty/play they run along the fence line, sometimes barking, and the alpacas run with them. Back and forth they go, they stop and smell each other through the fence and just seem to enjoy each other. When we leave to bring the dogs inside the alpacas make all sorts of noises as I think they like to play with the dogs and want them to stay outside. Becasue of this I thought I may bring my smallest, easiest going dog inside thier paddock to see how they react. I brought 7 pound Koda (my yorkie) in there and put him on the ground. He just stood there not noticing them at all. The alpacas noticed him immediately and came "running " full speed ahead! I paniced, scooped him up and threw him outside fence!

The alpacas didn't seem cautious at all, they wanted to get to him right away. I got scared. What is this behavior? Would they like him or stampede him?? Our friends said that whe they got baby goats the alpacas loved them and treated them like baby alpacas. (we are getting goats in the spring) Any input on this?

I thought alpacas liked dogs as I have seen them with guard dogs in thier paddocks on many websites.his behavior makes me rethink ever putting them together. I think I'll keep them seperate all the time.

I ran intoa woman at SouthernStates yesterday who said her standard poodles went into her alpaca paddock and the alpacas taught the poodles a lesson. (I guess they didn't like her dogs)

Maria

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