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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Help, not alpacas...but our dog!

OK, I have that; I will try it;

Thanks.

Allison

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Stardust Alpacas
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:04 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Help, not alpacas...but our dog!

We use homeopathic Arnica Montana when we have bleeding that needs to stop.
It works very well. Just a few pellets on the tongue (make sure they don't
get spit out) and the blood should clot soon.

Good luck.

Stephanie

--- On Sun, 8/24/08, Allison Moss-Fritch <aemoss17@comcast.net
<mailto:aemoss17%40comcast.net> > wrote:

> From: Allison Moss-Fritch <aemoss17@comcast.net
<mailto:aemoss17%40comcast.net> >
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Help, not alpacas...but our dog!
> To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Alpacasite%40yahoogroups.com> ,
AlpacaMarket@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AlpacaMarket%40yahoogroups.com> ,
AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com> ,
alpacafarming@yahoogroups.com <mailto:alpacafarming%40yahoogroups.com> ,
alpacas@papagoalpacas.com <mailto:alpacas%40papagoalpacas.com> ,
talkingalpacas@yahoogroups.com <mailto:talkingalpacas%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 9:57 PM
> HI lists,
>
>
>
> I'm posting because I'm out of ideas, and it is
> fairly late.
>
>
>
> Our 5 year old sheltie.55 lbs, not fat, with an
> extraordinarily heavy
> coat.which I keep stripping out as much as I can..is having
> a nosebleed. It
> has been slowly dripping despite my wiles.all afternoon. He
> is a pale gray
> ----called "bi-blue" and it is a fairly rare form
> of merle.and they
> sometimes have unique problems associated with the
> coloring.
>
>
>
> I have tried :
>
>
>
> Cold cloth as a compress between upper lip and nose.
>
>
>
> Ice packs on tummy and chest;
>
>
>
> wetting whole dog to skin (a one hour task in itself.)
>
>
>
> stripping out as much more fur as I could with a
> rake.(special stripping
> comb)..
>
>
>
> Rewetting dog. I did feed him lightly once the night was
> cooler. Keeping
> ears iced down and cold. Re-compressing the area between
> upper lip and
> nose.
>
>
>
> It just keeps dripping.about 6 drips per minute..but
> he's not a huge dog and
> this has been going on for hours.
>
>
>
> I'm about out of ideas.
>
>
>
> I get it stopped and he sneezes the clot out. Not that we
> care, but he's
> coated the kitchen, all the water dishes and the rug.all
> can be cleaned. We
> don't want to lose him and feel that there must be a
> quick answer .
>
>
>
> The vets here are expensive and they are not here on a
> Sunday night.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Help, not alpacas...but our dog!

We use homeopathic Arnica Montana when we have bleeding that needs to stop. It works very well. Just a few pellets on the tongue (make sure they don't get spit out) and the blood should clot soon.

Good luck.

Stephanie

--- On Sun, 8/24/08, Allison Moss-Fritch <aemoss17@comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Allison Moss-Fritch <aemoss17@comcast.net>
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Help, not alpacas...but our dog!
> To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, AlpacaMarket@yahoogroups.com, AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, alpacafarming@yahoogroups.com, alpacas@papagoalpacas.com, talkingalpacas@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 9:57 PM
> HI lists,
>
>
>
> I'm posting because I'm out of ideas, and it is
> fairly late.
>
>
>
> Our 5 year old sheltie.55 lbs, not fat, with an
> extraordinarily heavy
> coat.which I keep stripping out as much as I can..is having
> a nosebleed. It
> has been slowly dripping despite my wiles.all afternoon. He
> is a pale gray
> ----called "bi-blue" and it is a fairly rare form
> of merle.and they
> sometimes have unique problems associated with the
> coloring.
>
>
>
> I have tried :
>
>
>
> Cold cloth as a compress between upper lip and nose.
>
>
>
> Ice packs on tummy and chest;
>
>
>
> wetting whole dog to skin (a one hour task in itself.)
>
>
>
> stripping out as much more fur as I could with a
> rake.(special stripping
> comb)..
>
>
>
> Rewetting dog. I did feed him lightly once the night was
> cooler. Keeping
> ears iced down and cold. Re-compressing the area between
> upper lip and
> nose.
>
>
>
> It just keeps dripping.about 6 drips per minute..but
> he's not a huge dog and
> this has been going on for hours.
>
>
>
> I'm about out of ideas.
>
>
>
> I get it stopped and he sneezes the clot out. Not that we
> care, but he's
> coated the kitchen, all the water dishes and the rug.all
> can be cleaned. We
> don't want to lose him and feel that there must be a
> quick answer .
>
>
>
> The vets here are expensive and they are not here on a
> Sunday night.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Severe Eye Injury

Hehe, wow! Great story, Allison! I'm very glad your grandpa's hat saved
your eye!

Our rooster, while generally very sweet, went after a guy doing some
work on the farm. Luckily, the man was wearing leather boots, and I'm
not sure what happened exactly, but our rooster "Margaret," ripped off
one of his spurs while attacking Joe. As I said, it looked like lots of
blood, but a small amount always looks like a lot. Margaret still had
the other spur, but he was much calmer after that. Never went after Joe
again. And he was always very friendly to everyone who lived at the
farm.

But eventually Margaret became raccoon dinner while defending his
lovely hens. Those darned raccoons! They're the ones to watch! I don't
think they'd go after adult alpacas, but they're not to be trusted.
Good thing they can't read or write, we'd all be in trouble. :)

We prefer to get pullets from the feed store when we are in need of new
hens. We don't eat enough eggs to need more than a few girls around at
any time, and while the roosters do defend them, they're just one more
mouth to feed and clean up after! I guess if we didn't mind butchering
our own chickens, we probably would have a couple of roosters and have
an ongoing supply of new capons...

Heather

On Aug 24, 2008, at 6:50 PM, Allison Moss-Fritch wrote:

> Hi Heather,
>
> As a small child, my visits to grandfather's ranch included being
> where
> the chickens were in the barnyard. One day our large rooster turned
> himself
> into 'coq au vin' .
>
> He ran up to me, I was five, and spurred my left cheek right below my
> eye..I
> still have a faint 1 inch vertical scar where that lovely supper with
> feathers tried to spur me. He almost made it..and that is why he
> became the
> Sunday dinner that week. My grandfather saw that rooster launch
> himself at
> my face.and it was grandfather's hat that ruined the rooster's aim.
>
> Otherwise, I'd have been a one eyed lawyer all these years. Chickens
> can
> and do hurt humans, dogs, cats, and other livestock on occasion. A big
> rooster can weigh 15 lbs if from one of the larger breeds. This was a
> big
> red rooster from a large breed. I don't remember the name, but it is a
> rather common farm type breed. The hens laid lovely eggs so we always
> kept
> at least two clutches each year for replacement pullets the next
> spring.
>
> It is possible to remove those spurs and some farms do it routinely
> on all
> hatchling cockerels to avoid such harm. I would recommend that
> approach to
> all farms keeping a small flock for eggs, capons, and stew hens. A
> good vet
> can show you how to do it without great pain or harm to the chicks;
> and it
> should only be done after you know how it is properly done. If you
> have
> kids or pets, I think it should be a standard procedure. Castrating
> the
> extra roosters early in life is also easily done and a very good
> idea..
> Better eating, stops your hens from being bothered by too much
> "treading"
> (breeding) behavior from too many roosters. All around, more
> peaceable in
> the barnyard.
>
> Allison Moss-Fritch
>
> New Moon Alpacas
>
> Santa Clara, CA

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Alpaca Medicine kit

It's a really great oil from the nut of Calophyllum tacamahaca.
http://medicinehunter.com/tamanu.htm

It's really great stuff. Antiseptic, regenerates new skin growth,
analgesic... I have used it a bit for anti-aging properties... you
know, wrinkles...

It doesn't smell especially great, but it doesn't stink as much as neem
oil does, so that's a plus! :)

But for the alpacas, we have one old import who has had bald patches
since we got her. They do not seem to be caused by mites, as there is
no elephant skin associated with her patches. She has one particularly
bad spot on her rump. It's been treated with a variety of ointments and
salves over the years, including Nu-Stock recently. It remains dry and
tight, and mostly hairless. We started tamanu oil a few days ago, and
it's already softer and less tight. The dry flakiness is improved, and
of course it's too early to say but I'll let you know if there is
actual major hair re-growth. I should take some before/after pics like
I did with my boy with the terrible mites.

I've also started using it on another girl who has a peculiar spot on
her upper neck, on the side. The skin seems thickened and hard, and the
sebum is very dry and compacted on the surface of the skin. It seems to
be a source of irritation or even pain for her, as she limps on her
left rear leg from time to time. There's nothing wrong with her leg or
back or pelvis... she was checked by the vet. She even had a terrible
limp after I shouted at her to get out of a stall for feeding time
today... I didn't touch her! :) So I thought I'd start this with her,
too. It's also too early to tell, as it's just been a few days of
treatment, but if anything can get in and soften the skin, and renew
and regenerate it, this probably has the best chance.

I've read that tamanu oil has been successfully used in treatment for
leprosy and even scleroderma. When racking my brain to figure out what
this girl's condition might be, scleroderma came to mind, because of
the hard, tough, dry nature of her skin. And it seems to be very deep,
not just surface dryness.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
(formerly West Wind Alpacas)
Creswell, OR

541.895.0964

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On Aug 24, 2008, at 6:38 PM, LunarStruck@aol.com wrote:

>
> Heather - what is Tamanu Oil?
>
> Susan Olson
> Alpaca Loco
> Riverside, CA
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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posted by Chaddo at 6:56 PM 0 comments

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Severe Eye Injury

Hi Heather,

As a small child, my visits to grandfather's ranch included being where
the chickens were in the barnyard. One day our large rooster turned himself
into 'coq au vin' .

He ran up to me, I was five, and spurred my left cheek right below my eye..I
still have a faint 1 inch vertical scar where that lovely supper with
feathers tried to spur me. He almost made it..and that is why he became the
Sunday dinner that week. My grandfather saw that rooster launch himself at
my face.and it was grandfather's hat that ruined the rooster's aim.

Otherwise, I'd have been a one eyed lawyer all these years. Chickens can
and do hurt humans, dogs, cats, and other livestock on occasion. A big
rooster can weigh 15 lbs if from one of the larger breeds. This was a big
red rooster from a large breed. I don't remember the name, but it is a
rather common farm type breed. The hens laid lovely eggs so we always kept
at least two clutches each year for replacement pullets the next spring.

It is possible to remove those spurs and some farms do it routinely on all
hatchling cockerels to avoid such harm. I would recommend that approach to
all farms keeping a small flock for eggs, capons, and stew hens. A good vet
can show you how to do it without great pain or harm to the chicks; and it
should only be done after you know how it is properly done. If you have
kids or pets, I think it should be a standard procedure. Castrating the
extra roosters early in life is also easily done and a very good idea..
Better eating, stops your hens from being bothered by too much "treading"
(breeding) behavior from too many roosters. All around, more peaceable in
the barnyard.

Allison Moss-Fritch

New Moon Alpacas

Santa Clara, CA

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Heather Zeleny
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:26 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Severe Eye Injury

You're lucky that your rooster doesn't have long, sharp spurs. Our
rooster did. They were at least 1 1/2" long, and came to very sharp
points. I don't recall how old you said Mr Rooster is or what breed he
is, but it might not be a bad idea to keep an eye on those spurs.
"They" do indeed strap longer, sharper, metal spurs to their legs, but
their natural spurs can also be quite dangerous.

I just read about your trees. They sound like trouble! Yes, I've read
that many prunus varieties also have prussic acid in the leaves which
is concentrated when stressed or wilted.

I also just read about your coupon book problem. Can someone decide
what hours someone can operate and deny service that way? Doesn't sound
right. Though since it's a barter and not cash I guess she can whatever
she pleases...

Best of luck to you and keep us posted!
Heather

> We (The Mexican guy) caught the rooster yesterday and looked at his
> spurs and toe nails closely. He showed me how his spurs are not sharp
> (and informed me of how blades are tied to them to make them
> dangerous,
> ahem), and his toenails not large enough to do the sort of damage
> either
> of my alpacas have rec'd. So no longer sure he is the culprit; tho I
> see him going at all the alpacas.....even chasing them on occasion, I
> don't see him inflicting the serious damage they both rec'd. Just a
> mystery.
>
> Janice in GA
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Alpaca Medicine kit


Heather - what is Tamanu Oil?

Susan Olson
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Alpaca Medicine kit

In the barn, we have a toolbox with a variety of needles and syringes
of different sizes, injectible meds that don't require refrigeration,
bandages... things that don't get frequent use. We're not in M-worm
territory so thankfully we don't have to give Ivomec monthly.

In the cabinet in the girls' area, we have Nolvasan disinfectant,
Betadine, Betadine scrub, Bag Balm, Nolvasan ointment, new items are
Nu-Stock and Tamanu Oil. We also have a supply of homeopathic remedies
for a variety of ailments from scours to delivery to aggression to
grieving. We do need those long arm length exam gloves. I think those
are a must for birthing. Just in case. And lots of lube. J-Lube is
inexpensive and very effective. Nursemate for kids or lambs.

Of course, toenail trimmers, ob wire to trim teeth, scissors to trim
topknots, and a good supply of rags. Large towels also, for birthing,
and sheets or old blankets, duvets, etc. If you don't have old ones of
your own, thrift stores, rummage sales, or garage sales are a great
place to get them very inexpensively. We also watch the Craigslist free
ads and local yahoo "free-cycle" groups.

I'm sure many people will have longer and more detailed lists, but
those I chose are the absolute bare minimum must-haves. Meds are
generally prescription, or even if available at the feed store, I
prefer to have them prescribed by my vet, for those that are not
"routine herd health."

We have a chute and a small livestock platform scale in the barn.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
(formerly West Wind Alpacas)
Creswell, OR

541.895.0964

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On Aug 24, 2008, at 2:09 PM, mmttocher wrote:

> Hi there reading all the posts on the eye infection got me thinking I
> should get a medicine kit together. Can anyone please give me a list
> of "must haves" including gear required for birthing?
>
> I have a book which helps but would like to know what you lot consider
> important!
>
> Thanks
> Mandy
> Bonita Alpacas
> New Zealand

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Alpaca Medicine kit

Mandy:

I'm sure that there have been lists put together that you could
probably find. I'll let you know some of the things I feel are essential.

thermometer
stethoscope
watch or clock with second hand for counting respirations/heart rate
needles and syringes - various sizes of both for larger doses of meds
as well as subq and IM injections
vet wrap - can come in handy for human emergencies too!
paper towels in kit
old clean 'rag' towels handy for whatever might be messy or wet
oral dosing syringe
rubber gloves
plastic bags for fecal samples
permanent marker (for marking samples)
antibacterial wet wipes are good for the humans
probiotics
Gator Aid in the summer especially

As for drugs -- In the majority of cases, I don't use without first
speaking with a vet. Several are by prescription only in the US.
pepto
thiamine - injectable -- for tx of PEM
epinepherine (if you're giving vaccines, but use HUGE caution -- it's
a very dangerous drug and only used if there's an anaphylactic
reaction - gladly threw out a completely unused expired bottle!
an antibiotic -- penicillin is the most inexpensive
banamine -- expensive drug, but worth it if you ever need it. You
might check and see if you can buy a few pre-loaded
syringes......don't even know if that's feasible! I threw out an
expired bottle that I had only used about 3 cc out of!.....but when I
needed it, I needed it.
whatever vaccines are recommended in your neck of the woods.
SMZ-TMP oral suspension (an antibiotic type of drug, but also good
for coccidia in crias) -- if you have crias, it's nice to have on
hand or be able to get is fairly quickly

That's about all I can think off the top of my head......hope others
will chime in! This is bare bones and I've collected a few other
things, but really, not much..........

Have fun putting it together!
Susan

Susan Forman & Eric Jenkins
Dewey Morning Alpacas
423 Greenfield-Sabina Rd.
Washington Court House, OH 43160
740-636-1899 Home
937-901-1509 Cell
http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
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posted by Chaddo at 3:49 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Severe Eye Injury

You're lucky that your rooster doesn't have long, sharp spurs. Our
rooster did. They were at least 1 1/2" long, and came to very sharp
points. I don't recall how old you said Mr Rooster is or what breed he
is, but it might not be a bad idea to keep an eye on those spurs.
"They" do indeed strap longer, sharper, metal spurs to their legs, but
their natural spurs can also be quite dangerous.

I just read about your trees. They sound like trouble! Yes, I've read
that many prunus varieties also have prussic acid in the leaves which
is concentrated when stressed or wilted.

I also just read about your coupon book problem. Can someone decide
what hours someone can operate and deny service that way? Doesn't sound
right. Though since it's a barter and not cash I guess she can whatever
she pleases...

Best of luck to you and keep us posted!
Heather

> We (The Mexican guy) caught the rooster yesterday and looked at his
> spurs and toe nails closely. He showed me how his spurs are not sharp
> (and informed me of how blades are tied to them to make them
> dangerous,
> ahem), and his toenails not large enough to do the sort of damage
> either
> of my alpacas have rec'd. So no longer sure he is the culprit; tho I
> see him going at all the alpacas.....even chasing them on occasion, I
> don't see him inflicting the serious damage they both rec'd. Just a
> mystery.
>
> Janice in GA
>

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[AlpacaTalk] Alpaca Medicine kit

Hi there reading all the posts on the eye infection got me thinking I
should get a medicine kit together. Can anyone please give me a list
of "must haves" including gear required for birthing?

I have a book which helps but would like to know what you lot consider
important!

Thanks
Mandy
Bonita Alpacas
New Zealand

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