Re: [AlpacaTalk] Bilateral Patella Luxation (injured both rear knees)
Sometimes the tone of voice (style of writing) can turn a question into an accusation.
J
Don Stanwyck, carnation, wa
From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:32 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] other Yahoo groups and their owners/moderators
Apparently asking questions is enough to get one moderated or removed from some groups. I find it pretty pathetic that asking questions is not allowed. And, apparently, asking questions is considered disrespectful to some moderators.
Heather
Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon
Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
Apparently asking questions is enough to get one moderated or removed from some groups. I find it pretty pathetic that asking questions is not allowed. And, apparently, asking questions is considered disrespectful to some moderators.
I wish I had any information to share. I have seen discussions about luxated patellae in alpacas, but I don't remember who the parties were. I do hope someone will share some info if they have it!
All –
I have an alpaca that got tangled with a wheel barrow in my barnyard and injured both rear legs (specifically she tore both kneecaps). Please don't comment on this as I now know that it was stupid to leave it there. The question is: Has anyone on this site had an alpaca injure their knee(s) and had surgery on them? I am looking for input on how to best rehabilitate her.
Background: My surgeons were only able to find information on 9 camelid cases with this type of injury and 8 of them re-luxated (tore the kneecap again). The 9th passed away for complications. Naturally, this poor prognosis has me concerned and I want to give my girl the best chance for recovery as possible. I'd appreciate hearing about any experience you've had with this type of injury.
Thank you, Emma D. Urban
Urban Dreams Farm, LLC
9667W. Van Buren Rd Riverdale ,MI 48877
www.urbandreamsfarm.com
989-463-5150 (h)
989-436-5061 (c)
All –
I have an alpaca that got tangled with a wheel barrow in my barnyard and injured both rear legs (specifically she tore both kneecaps). Please don’t comment on this as I now know that it was stupid to leave it there. The question is: Has anyone on this site had an alpaca injure their knee(s) and had surgery on them? I am looking for input on how to best rehabilitate her.
Background: My surgeons were only able to find information on 9 camelid cases with this type of injury and 8 of them re-luxated (tore the kneecap again). The 9th passed away for complications. Naturally, this poor prognosis has me concerned and I want to give my girl the best chance for recovery as possible. I’d appreciate hearing about any experience you’ve had with this type of injury.
Thank you, Emma D. Urban
Urban Dreams Farm, LLC
9667
www.urbandreamsfarm
989-463-5150 (h)
989-436-5061 (c)
Janice,
My county does rabies clinics 2x a year for all small animals (cats, dogs, ferrets, etc.) in the town parks. I think it is $10 per head. You should call your county dept of health and see if they have a program.
Cheers,
Morgen
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>
> <<< AS I said, I don't have time to check now, but I bet there's a
> vaccine that's a multi -type called DPLP.
>
> Good luck!
> Susan
>
> PS -- The rabies is a must -- I don't give my house cats rabies
> shots......they do not get out and have no contact with other animals.....
> ..the barn cats? $65.00 for 2 rabies shots, but worth it. God only knows
> where they roam and what they come into contact with....as for the other
> vaccines for the barn cats? Guiltily, I haven't had them vaccinated for
> anything but rabies....and I really like them, but.....somehow farm cats
> seem to disappear as I remember from my childhood...
> should check it out for the safety of the dogs and alpacas...and yet I'm
> sure I know of plenty of cats that don't even get rabies vaccine.....
>
>
> Yes, I am pretty sure DPLP is the standard dog vaccination. I just
> looked at the package my guy's puppy shots were in and it doesn't say
> DPLP, but Distemper, Lepto, Parvo, and Parainfluenze are in there plus
> some other stuff, so that is most likely the DPLP. It's the same here
> with the house GSD. When we lived in the city and went to the river
> and parks a lot I kept up their shots, but out here they never go off
> the property, rarely even out of my sight, and so I have stopped the
> vaccines. I don't vaccinate my children, so am also very conservative
> with my animals in that regard. But I think you have made a good point
> about these guys living outside and being exposed to all sorts of
> things. Thanks for bringing that up. My guys are nearly a year old
> and will be coming due for their shots in a few months. I can buy those
> at Tractor Supply very inexpensively. Cheap insurance. Tho after this
> year I will likely go to every other year, just to limit their
> exposure. There have been a lot of reports of tumors and such at the
> old vaccination sites.
>
> And they are indeed worth their weight in gold! I can't say enough
> good about them. I *really* didn't want to go this route, and some
> here may remember my year of walking the property several times every
> night, trying to let the coyotes know their were humans about. Last
> year we just had the worst coyote problem. They were closing in and I
> spent my nights terrified for my alpacas. I moved them all to the front
> pasture every night, closer to the house. Then I started hearing the
> coyotes in the tiny strip of woods across from my one lane road. They
> were following. The year before I had had 2 bobcat attacks, leaving
> one of my girls blind in one eye and too close to having to be hauled
> off to the Univeristy for very expensive surgery to remove the eyeball
> had it become infected (goldenseal prevented that thank goodness) and
> doing severe damage to one of my boys, slashing his neck in multiple
> places to the bone. 2 different attacks. The first came the 2nd
> night I left the ducks out overnight, thinking they were big enough and
> safe. Clearly the bobcat had been watching and waiting; or simply got
> lucky. It got a duck that night and slashed up my paca boy in the
> process. Came back a few weeks later. It was a harrowing 2 yrs.
> Not a worry since the Pyr brothers have been here. I never hear a
> howl or yip. I had to put them to work much much younger than
> recommended because the coyotes were getting so close. By 3 mos of age
> they were staying out in the pastures all night with the alpacas. One
> of my girls was terrified of them in the beginning and screamed a lot.
> But I figured a coyote attack would be worse! The pups were very
> respectful of her fear and eventually won her over. Now when she and
> her yearling go pronking about, the pyr brothers join in. It is a sight
> to behold They still can't be trusted with the fowl, so they have to go
> back into the pen in the pasture during the day. But I am hoping and
> assuming they will grow out of that and if the weather will ever get
> decent I will start working with them and the birds. But yes they are
> the greatest and most definitely worth their (rather substantial) weight
> in gold. One night early on, one of them dug out of the pasture. It
> was too late to fix the problem that night so they went back in their
> pen for the night. The *very next* night we heard coyotes closing in at
> dusk. So I know we are being watched. Whenever I can afford it I am
> planning to put a pair out in the horse pasture as well.
>
> The cats - same here; house cats get nothing; barn cats also get
> nothing. I too feel guilty about it as I really adore those guys. But
> reality is I simply cannot afford it. I do try to worm them when I can
> but they are not very agreeable to that. But again, I think you are
> right, and if I could get my hands on some rabies vaccine I would
> vaccinate them myself; just cannot afford the vet fee to have it done.
> But I think we may see rabies become more of a problem as the economy
> continues to put people in difficult situations and things formerly
> considered necessities will start to spill over into the "optional"
> category....
> hard choices these days, even having to give up their beloved pets.
>
> Eating rabbits gave my dog the worst case of tapeworms I have EVER seen
> in my life! Totally gross.
> Heartworm and flea/tick preventative are two major expenses I have not
> been willing to give up....yet. I have found really affordable
> heartworm meds, and have found OTC tapeworm meds as well.....which took
> some research last year. There is a company that comes to Tractor
> Supply (here anyway) every month doing low cost vaccinations and
> dispensing meds at substantially lower costs than vet offices. Once
> you establish a "relationship" with them - by having your pet seen at
> one of their clinics, you can order the meds over their web site.
>
> Warmly, Janice
>
Rabies is a warmed blooded animal disease. --- On Wed, 3/17/10, barngirrl@aol.
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