Thanks Tina - where would I look for the lamb replacer? TSC? I have a friend who has a friend that is a sheep farmer. I'll ask her to find out what her friend uses and where she gets it. I'm assuming changing his formula often can't be good either.
Donna Jaruzel
Brandilyn Farm Alpacas
Holly, MI
810-714-6061
248-933-6777
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From: Tina Travis <traviselkhornalpaca s@yahoo.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
ups.comSent: Sat, May 15, 2010 10:52 pm
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Bottle Feeding A New Cria
I had terrible luck with the cow milk mix so many people pass around on line.That is why I use the lamb replacer--closest you can get to alpaca.My idea is that feed companies would not spend millions on research and production of all these products if they were not needed nutritionally. Just my thoughts and what works for me.
Tina Travis
Elkhorn Alpacas
31655 Elkhorn Glen
Warrenton,MO. 63383
636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930
Alpacas are a rare treasure,
one that I like to share!!!!
From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail. com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 9:44:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Bottle Feeding A New Cria
I had terrible luck with milk replacer.
For all of our previous bottle babies, we have used a recipe of whole or ultra rich cow's milk, raw vanilla yogurt, and whipping cream. To make 1 cup, we use 6 oz milk, 1 oz yogurt and 1 oz cream. All of our crias have done very well on this recipe.
I thought I'd try the Ultra 24 milk replacer with my girl last year, and it was not cost effective at all, she never had proper poop while on it, and I nearly lost her to heat stroke and dehydration. I switched back to our fluid cow milk recipe and her intake volume decreased, but her weight and body score improved dramatically.
Heather
Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon
Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
On May 15, 2010, at 7:35 PM, Tina Travis wrote:
How does she think a cria got there then?? Female had to be bred!! I hope they can track the sire and get registry on the cria.I forgot Probios will help the tummy or you can add plain live culture yogurt to get the belly working well.It will also help get them ruminating faster so they can absorb nutrients from hay,grass,pellets. After 24 hours the gut can no longer absorb colostrum.You need to switch to a milk replacer--it will be richer meaning it will fill the cria up more and get weight on. Always,T
Tina Travis
Elkhorn Alpacas
31655 Elkhorn Glen
Warrenton,MO. 63383
636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930
Alpacas are a rare treasure,
one that I like to share!!!!
From: "brandilynfarm@ aol.com" <brandilynfarm@ aol.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 9:19:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Bottle Feeding A New Cria
It is a powdered colostrum mix we are using. But hopefully with the milk we've managed to get from mom and using the powdered stuff we've given him a good chance of making it. This is my boarder's female and since I wasn't anticipating a cria from her until late September I had no idea who's cria it was when I found him yesterday afternoon, until I started checking tails. Obviously this female was bred somehow (???) before she got to my farm last summer. The owner says no way - but I beg to differ.
Donna Jaruzel
Brandilyn Farm Alpacas
Holly, MI
810-714-6061
248-933-6777
--Original Message-----
From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail. com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
ups.comSent: Sat, May 15, 2010 10:04 pm
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Bottle Feeding A New Cria
We have Nursemate on hand, too, and of course lots of towels! I'm not sure Nursemate actually has colostrum on it, but I do also keep powdered bovine colostrum on hand. Inexpensive, easy to store and mix up when you need it. No need to defrost, like with frozen goat or bovine colostrum. Powdered isn't
as effective as fresh or frozen, but some is better than nothing, and it's fine to just give more...
My little girl is doing fine. We did have some rough spots though, and she did need some antibiotics when she was a baby, probably because she didn't get any colostrum. But yes, they can survive if they don't get it.
Best of luck with the new one!
Heather
Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon
Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
I'm writing all this down Tina! Thanks again!
Donna Jaruzel
Brandilyn Farm Alpacas
Holly, MI
810-714-6061
248-933-6777
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From: Tina Travis <traviselkhornalpaca
s@yahoo.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 8:53 pm
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Bottle Feeding A New Cria
You are right Heather,but it is best to get colostrum into them.I buy a paste called NurseMate. They have it in a tube like a wormer paste.I keep one in the frig all the time.I use the one made for sheep because it is the closest to Alpaca you can get.It works great to rub on tongue & gums.It also does not confuse the cria like a bottle/nipple could.For a birth on my farm--O2 tank,Nursemate, baby enema,towels are at the top of the list. Always,T
Tina Travis
Elkhorn Alpacas
31655 Elkhorn Glen
Warrenton,MO. 63383
636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930
Alpacas are a rare treasure,
one that I like to share!!!!
From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail. com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 7:26:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Bottle Feeding A New Cria
The cria won't die without colostrum. I had a wall baby last year who never nursed from mom, and mom wouldn't let us milk her. And I didn't have any goat or bovine colostrum, either.
Heather
Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon
Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
On May 15, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Marcieks wrote:
you need to have someone hold her and let him nurse
he will die without moms colostrums
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 4:53 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Bottle Feeding A New Cria
I'm being told so many different things I thought I'd ask all of you. I had a cria born yesterday afternoon. Mom is a maiden and I wasn't expecting a cria from her until late September. The cria appears to be full term. His birth weight was 12.6 lbs, teeth were just erupted, ears up, and he's up on his pasturns. Mom will not let him nurse. She really wants nothing to do with him. She will cluck at him and then walk away and go about her business. We're milking mom and getting everything we get from her down the baby and we are supplementing. My question is how much should I expect him to take in? I'm being told anywhere from 2 to 8 ounces at a time. On average I'm getting him to take about 2 ounces everytime we feed him, which is about every 90 minutes to 2 hours. He's latching on really well and then when he's done he sort of spits the nipple out. I'll try repeatedly to get him to take more, but he just mouths the nipple. I know he will increase his intake as he grows, but what is the average amount he should get in a serving or the total daily amount for right now?
Thanks!
Donna Jaruzel
Brandilyn Farm Alpacas
Holly, MI
810-714-6061
248-933-6777
