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Wednesday, September 16, 2009

RE: [AlpacaTalk] Breeders and references

 

Laura, you had a really bad experience, in many ways,  you had a bad experience with  the breeder the you had a bad experience with that alpaca and you had a bad experience with the family relations dealing with the problem.  I don't know if you can do anything  legally or financially about it at this point.  I am guessing not.  Try to take all the learning experiences you can from it, use it to better you and all the other alpacas breeders you have shared with.  Seek Justice if you can and move on.  Anger and dwelling on it just eats you up and
sours so much.  I really hope the breeders step up to the plate and refund you initial costs and also the costs of the vet putting that alpaca down.  If not well in the long run, your communication the story to others will certainly come back to them in the end. Try to find peace in that.
Robin
Richard and Robin Vasquez
R & R Ranch LLC
325B Denio Avenue
Gilroy,CA 95020
Phone: 408-842-5233/ Cell 408-710-0676/710-7911
 
       A Ranch of Distinction
www.LoveThemAlpacas.com
                          LTA
 


--- On Wed, 9/16/09, Laura A. Roberts <laura0554@hughes.net> wrote:

From: Laura A. Roberts <laura0554@hughes.net>
Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] Breeders and references
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 6:18 PM

 

            I forgot to tell you that I had just attended a Marty McGee clinic on May 16 & 17 – we purchased this package on June 5th……..also, Marty is one of the professionals that told me to return him.  She doesn't feel gelding helps when they are aggressive with people.  She agreed the seller should have taken him back but didn't want to get into the ethics issue on her forum. 

 

            I was frustrated by all of this, especially when people assumed that because I was new at alpacas I didn't know anything.  I have a healthy respect for all animals, including our horses, goats, dogs, cats, chickens, etc………but I don't fear them.  Unfortunately, I did have fear for this male alpaca after the first incident.

 

             The other two boys from her farm are nice boys, although much more pushy than my other two boys.  Her girls are pushier than my other girls, too.  I suspect they were given treats and spoiled and never really treated like livestock.  That's not to say livestock can't be treated once in awhile…….but more the exception than the rule. I have worked with the two intact males quite a bit and they have gotten a Frisbee nose whack on more than one occasion when they wouldn't back off and got too pushy in "my space".  They have responded well and have shown no aggressive tendencies towards any of us. 

 

            I guess all of this has been a hard lesson for us and I still feel angry.  Not so much over the money, but that we had to experience this so new into the business.  Our whole family experience this- including our 13 year old daughter and 16 year old son.    

           

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Allison Moss-Fritch
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:45 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] Breeders and references

 

 

Hi Laura,

 

Well, yes, there are some folks who just don't have common sense.  I suppose a "Marty McGee" approach might have helped, but with livestock experienced folks, when an animal is not trustworthy, then you don't keep him.  I doubt he was giving prior owner kisses…and if he was, then I figure he was an over handled male…either way:  it is their fault and they should have taken him back and returned the money.  In court, if you had asked for rescission, (getting money back and animal being returned) it would likely have been granted

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Breeders and references

 

yes....tough enough on adults, but really bad for the kids to experience.     I know first hand how scary a beserk male can be.   And no.....gelding will not fix the problem.
 
Hopefully you got the bad experiences out of the way and good things are to come!
 
Good luck,
 
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posted by Chaddo at 6:37 PM 0 comments

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Breeders and references

 

            I forgot to tell you that I had just attended a Marty McGee clinic on May 16 & 17 – we purchased this package on June 5th……..also, Marty is one of the professionals that told me to return him.  She doesn’t feel gelding helps when they are aggressive with people.  She agreed the seller should have taken him back but didn’t want to get into the ethics issue on her forum. 

 

            I was frustrated by all of this, especially when people assumed that because I was new at alpacas I didn’t know anything.  I have a healthy respect for all animals, including our horses, goats, dogs, cats, chickens, etc………but I don’t fear them.  Unfortunately, I did have fear for this male alpaca after the first incident.

 

             The other two boys from her farm are nice boys, although much more pushy than my other two boys.  Her girls are pushier than my other girls, too.  I suspect they were given treats and spoiled and never really treated like livestock.  That’s not to say livestock can’t be treated once in awhile…….but more the exception than the rule. I have worked with the two intact males quite a bit and they have gotten a Frisbee nose whack on more than one occasion when they wouldn’t back off and got too pushy in “my space”.  They have responded well and have shown no aggressive tendencies towards any of us. 

 

            I guess all of this has been a hard lesson for us and I still feel angry.  Not so much over the money, but that we had to experience this so new into the business.  Our whole family experience this- including our 13 year old daughter and 16 year old son.    

           

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allison Moss-Fritch
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:45 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] Breeders and references

 

 

Hi Laura,

 

Well, yes, there are some folks who just don’t have common sense.  I suppose a “Marty McGee” approach might have helped, but with livestock experienced folks, when an animal is not trustworthy, then you don’t keep him.  I doubt he was giving prior owner kisses…and if he was, then I figure he was an over handled male…either way:  it is their fault and they should have taken him back and returned the money.  In court, if you had asked for rescission, (getting money back and animal being returned) it would likely have been granted

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posted by Chaddo at 6:18 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Poisonous plants ?

 

Oh man. I am so sorry about your Willa. 


I don't know if Red Oak is poisonous, but Red Maple and its crosses/cultivars are. Of course, all plants in the Rhododendron genus are toxic. Oleander is, of course, very toxic.

It is important to check up on poisonous plant indigenous to your area, as well as cultivated ornamentals. Your local County Extension office should have materials available.

Best wishes to you.


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece


On Sep 16, 2009, at 12:43 PM, bushwacker40359 wrote:

A warning as well as a question. I just lost my sweetest little girl. I'm new to alpaca and the 4 that I collected this summer have cleared the partially wooded 1-acre lot I had made them. So while I am at home and can watch them they have had access to the front yard, about 6 acres. Things were fine for a couple weeks then this Sunday it turned tragic. Willa was dead not 11 hours after I put them up for the night and everyone was healthy and fine. Preliminary report from the autopsy is Taxus toxicity. She had eaten from a Yew bush in the back yard by the fencing that I thought was another juniper bush. The Yew bush is very common in Kentucky and through out the USA. It is very poisonous and can cause death in minutes. I'm heart broken. What are the other plants I should be eradicating from my farm ? The leaves are falling and I think I read oak leaves are dangerous when not completely dry or growing and green. Is that true ? If so I am in serious trouble. The kids are locked in the dry lot until I hear back from the vet with a full report.

Ken Hoh
Alpaca Hoh Ranch
Owenton, KY


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posted by Chaddo at 6:15 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Poisonous plants ?

 

Also mountain laurel, azealas, boxwoods nightshade, lilies of the valley are all pretty toxic.


--- On Wed, 9/16/09, shirley <shirl.temple2@verizon.net> wrote:

From: shirley <shirl.temple2@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Poisonous plants ?
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 8:30 PM

 
Ken,

So sorry for your loss. Just lost
one of mine. Wild Cherry tree
leaves are very toxic when they are green.

Shirley Dillon

Alpacas of Gemini Farm
Basking Ridge, NJ 07920

www.alpacanation. com/geminifarm. asp
908-647-2995
----- Original Message -----
From: "bushwacker40359" <bushwacker37@ hotmail.com>
To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:43 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Poisonous plants ?

>A warning as well as a question. I just lost my sweetest little girl. I'm
>new to alpaca and the 4 that I collected this summer have cleared the
>partially wooded 1-acre lot I had made them. So while I am at home and can
>watch them they have had access to the front yard, about 6 acres. Things
>were fine for a couple weeks then this Sunday it turned tragic. Willa was
>dead not 11 hours after I put them up for the night and everyone was
>healthy and fine. Preliminary report from the autopsy is Taxus toxicity.
>She had eaten from a Yew bush in the back yard by the fencing that I
>thought was another juniper bush. The Yew bush is very common in Kentucky
>and through out the USA. It is very poisonous and can cause death in
>minutes. I'm heart broken. What are the other plants I should be
>eradicating from my farm ? The leaves are falling and I think I read oak
>leaves are dangerous when not completely dry or growing and green. Is that
>true ? If so I am in serious trouble. The kids are
> locked in the dry lot until I hear back from the vet with a full report.
>
> Ken Hoh
> Alpaca Hoh Ranch
> Owenton, KY
>
>
>

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posted by Chaddo at 5:44 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Poisonous plants ?

 

They are far more toxic when they are wilted, they can even kill cattle then.

--- On Wed, 9/16/09, shirley <shirl.temple2@verizon.net> wrote:

From: shirley <shirl.temple2@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Poisonous plants ?
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 8:30 PM

 
Ken,

So sorry for your loss. Just lost
one of mine. Wild Cherry tree
leaves are very toxic when they are green.

Shirley Dillon

Alpacas of Gemini Farm
Basking Ridge, NJ 07920

www.alpacanation. com/geminifarm. asp
908-647-2995
----- Original Message -----
From: "bushwacker40359" <bushwacker37@ hotmail.com>
To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:43 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Poisonous plants ?

>A warning as well as a question. I just lost my sweetest little girl. I'm
>new to alpaca and the 4 that I collected this summer have cleared the
>partially wooded 1-acre lot I had made them. So while I am at home and can
>watch them they have had access to the front yard, about 6 acres. Things
>were fine for a couple weeks then this Sunday it turned tragic. Willa was
>dead not 11 hours after I put them up for the night and everyone was
>healthy and fine. Preliminary report from the autopsy is Taxus toxicity.
>She had eaten from a Yew bush in the back yard by the fencing that I
>thought was another juniper bush. The Yew bush is very common in Kentucky
>and through out the USA. It is very poisonous and can cause death in
>minutes. I'm heart broken. What are the other plants I should be
>eradicating from my farm ? The leaves are falling and I think I read oak
>leaves are dangerous when not completely dry or growing and green. Is that
>true ? If so I am in serious trouble. The kids are
> locked in the dry lot until I hear back from the vet with a full report.
>
> Ken Hoh
> Alpaca Hoh Ranch
> Owenton, KY
>
>
>

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posted by Chaddo at 5:41 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Poisonous plants ?

 

Ken,

So sorry for your loss. Just lost
one of mine. Wild Cherry tree
leaves are very toxic when they are green.

Shirley Dillon

Alpacas of Gemini Farm
Basking Ridge, NJ 07920

www.alpacanation.com/geminifarm.asp
908-647-2995
----- Original Message -----
From: "bushwacker40359" <bushwacker37@hotmail.com>
To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:43 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Poisonous plants ?

>A warning as well as a question. I just lost my sweetest little girl. I'm
>new to alpaca and the 4 that I collected this summer have cleared the
>partially wooded 1-acre lot I had made them. So while I am at home and can
>watch them they have had access to the front yard, about 6 acres. Things
>were fine for a couple weeks then this Sunday it turned tragic. Willa was
>dead not 11 hours after I put them up for the night and everyone was
>healthy and fine. Preliminary report from the autopsy is Taxus toxicity.
>She had eaten from a Yew bush in the back yard by the fencing that I
>thought was another juniper bush. The Yew bush is very common in Kentucky
>and through out the USA. It is very poisonous and can cause death in
>minutes. I'm heart broken. What are the other plants I should be
>eradicating from my farm ? The leaves are falling and I think I read oak
>leaves are dangerous when not completely dry or growing and green. Is that
>true ? If so I am in serious trouble. The kids are
> locked in the dry lot until I hear back from the vet with a full report.
>
> Ken Hoh
> Alpaca Hoh Ranch
> Owenton, KY
>
>
>

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posted by Chaddo at 5:30 PM 0 comments

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Poisonous plants ?

 

Hi Ken,

 

I’m rather simple in my online skills…I just put “Kentucky + plants toxic to livestock“

Into my browser and came up with quite a list of local flora that seems to be toxic in your area.  Looks like U of K has some resources also. 

 

This is about the extent of my “computing” abilities…but there are resources local to you, more or less, that should help.  Meanwhile,

 

I’m so sorry for your loss of Willa!  They are so sweet that it is like losing a child when one goes unexpectedly.  Let’s hope that running through the lists now available about your area, you don’t have any more of the bad ones…and that you can successfully “alpaca-proof” your farm!

 

Here is hoping that all the rest of your herd is and remains in ruddy good health for the foreseeable future.

 

Best of luck,

 

Allison

 

Allison E. Moss-Fritch

New Moon Alpacas

Santa Clara, CA

http://www.newmoonalpacas.com

408/248-3581

 

 

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bushwacker40359
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:43 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Poisonous plants ?

 

 

A warning as well as a question. I just lost my sweetest little girl. I'm new to alpaca and the 4 that I collected this summer have cleared the partially wooded 1-acre lot I had made them. So while I am at home and can watch them they have had access to the front yard, about 6 acres. Things were fine for a couple weeks then this Sunday it turned tragic. Willa was dead not 11 hours after I put them up for the night and everyone was healthy and fine. Preliminary report from the autopsy is Taxus toxicity. She had eaten from a Yew bush in the back yard by the fencing that I thought was another juniper bush. The Yew bush is very common in Kentucky and through out the USA. It is very poisonous and can cause death in minutes. I'm heart broken. What are the other plants I should be eradicating from my farm ? The leaves are falling and I think I read oak leaves are dangerous when not completely dry or growing and green. Is that true ? If so I am in serious trouble. The kids are locked in the dry lot until I hear back from the vet with a full report.

Ken Hoh
Alpaca Hoh Ranch
Owenton, KY

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