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Thursday, May 06, 2010

Re: [AlpacaTalk] Minerals / Copper

 

               Thank you Jess I rarely have time to look things up for referance.I am greatful for you sending the information.My vet and Dr.Anderson have both told me treat them like a sheep.But remember some sheep feed,supplements can be medicated--I always tell people that it has to say non-medicated.The things they treat sheep feed with can kill an Alpaca.I use a semi-soft sheep block for my minerals.I tried every one of the minerals I could find and my alpacas hated them all..So I put out the blocks and everyone including the dogs love them.In the spring threw to cold weather-we do not grain.We have alot of pasture. They get fat enough on the grass & hay.So it is a must to have a mineral source they will eat.
Tina Travis  
Elkhorn Alpacas
31655 Elkhorn Glen
Warrenton,MO.63383
636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930
 Alpacas are a rare treasure,
 one that I like to share!!!!


--- On Thu, 5/6/10, Jess Bowers <alpacas@acresoflove.com> wrote:

From: Jess Bowers <alpacas@acresoflove.com>
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Minerals / Copper
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 7:10 PM

 
Actually, the generally accepted copper requirements published for alpacas (and llamas) including recommendations by Dr. Van Saun are nearly identical with NRC recommendations for sheep, while only about 60% of NRC recommended levels for goats.
 
Main point is that a sheep feed contains very acceptable levels of copper for llamas and alpacas, while a goat feed contains potentially toxic (to llamas and alpacas) levels of copper.
 
Still, soil minerals, forage testing, etc all need to be taken into account to quantify overall nutrition being provided and to determine the need for, or content, of any supplementation.
 
Jess
 
Jess & Cookie Bowers
Acres of Love Alpaca Ranch
Acres of Love Alpaca Transport
11006 N 92nd East Ave
Owasso, OK  74055-6531
(918) 829-9987
Fax (918) 272-0969
WWW.Acresoflove. com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 10:50 AM
Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] Minerals / Copper

            Because they are ignorant. (I am included in this generalization) Is this the answer you were waiting to hear?

 

            I appreciate you bringing up the subject, really.  But the exclamation points are getting old.

 

            I will do better research regarding copper, and will have labs run on the one girl I am feeding broodmare supplement. 

 

            I do know that alpacas require more copper than sheep…….closer to goats but not as much as horses or cattle, so if I feed anything not labeled for alpacas, I will avoid those labeled for cattle and probably horses, too.

 

            Thanks for bringing this up. 

 

            To anyone out there with skinny animals, please disregard my advice to feed Calf Manna or Broodmare grains.  While it appears to be working for us, I would not want anyone to have negative results due to my ignorance.

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Tina Travis
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:27 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Minerals / Copper

 

 

                  No one seams to get my question!!  I want to know why people are adding more feeds that are not made for Alpacas & those other feeds have added copper in them!!!!WHY ARE PEOPLE DOING THIS?Then they freely advices others to do this .I know all about feed,hay,pasture, minerals. .My herd is fine---BUT i am concerned about all these Pacas that are getting all the extras that are not made for alpaca and they have ADDED copper!!!

Tina Travis  
Elkhorn Alpacas
31655 Elkhorn Glen
Warrenton,MO. 63383
636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Minerals / Copper

 

Actually, the generally accepted copper requirements published for alpacas (and llamas) including recommendations by Dr. Van Saun are nearly identical with NRC recommendations for sheep, while only about 60% of NRC recommended levels for goats.
 
Main point is that a sheep feed contains very acceptable levels of copper for llamas and alpacas, while a goat feed contains potentially toxic (to llamas and alpacas) levels of copper.
 
Still, soil minerals, forage testing, etc all need to be taken into account to quantify overall nutrition being provided and to determine the need for, or content, of any supplementation.
 
Jess
 
Jess & Cookie Bowers
Acres of Love Alpaca Ranch
Acres of Love Alpaca Transport
11006 N 92nd East Ave
Owasso, OK  74055-6531
(918) 829-9987
Fax (918) 272-0969
WWW.Acresoflove.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 10:50 AM
Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] Minerals / Copper

            Because they are ignorant. (I am included in this generalization) Is this the answer you were waiting to hear?

 

            I appreciate you bringing up the subject, really.  But the exclamation points are getting old.

 

            I will do better research regarding copper, and will have labs run on the one girl I am feeding broodmare supplement. 

 

            I do know that alpacas require more copper than sheep…….closer to goats but not as much as horses or cattle, so if I feed anything not labeled for alpacas, I will avoid those labeled for cattle and probably horses, too.

 

            Thanks for bringing this up. 

 

            To anyone out there with skinny animals, please disregard my advice to feed Calf Manna or Broodmare grains.  While it appears to be working for us, I would not want anyone to have negative results due to my ignorance.

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tina Travis
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:27 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Minerals / Copper

 

 

                  No one seams to get my question!!  I want to know why people are adding more feeds that are not made for Alpacas & those other feeds have added copper in them!!!!WHY ARE PEOPLE DOING THIS?Then they freely advices others to do this .I know all about feed,hay,pasture,minerals..My herd is fine---BUT i am concerned about all these Pacas that are getting all the extras that are not made for alpaca and they have ADDED copper!!!

Tina Travis  

Elkhorn Alpacas

31655 Elkhorn Glen

Warrenton,MO.63383

636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930

traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com

www.elkhornalpacas.com

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posted by Chaddo at 12:10 PM 0 comments

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[AlpacaTalk] nutrients

 

I have been searching for more info on soil copper levels, and it's not easy to find. I suppose we must contact our state Agirculture Extension for the info, and request a copy of the analysis from our hay growers. I can't believe we haven't done that...


I did find one grower online, from the same region as our grower. He has the report on his website, and for his 2nd cut orchard grass, the protein is far lower than the recommended level for alpacas. It is reasonable that our hay is probably similar in quality. 

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

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posted by Chaddo at 12:01 PM 0 comments

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Minerals / Copper

 

To answer your question, most are unsure what the copper values are in their area and they are looking for input.   Yes, they should be concerned with copper and minerals in the feed and supplements.  That is why it is good to bring these topics up so they are aware.    Vitamins and minerals get tied up because of ratios in the soil which effects the grass and the hay.    So why, because they are unsure and are looking for exacts but there are no exacts.
 

Daniel and Peggy Emmerich
EnchantedMeadows Alpacas & Goats
9357 CTY RD O
Wausau WI 54401
715.675.0584
www.enchantedmeadows.com



 

To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
From: traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 10:40:44 -0700
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Minerals / Copper

 
          That is not what I meant--I was trying to find out why farms are using feeds that have added copper?Instead I continued get told what feed or mineral
I should use. I wanted to know if these farms are concerned about copper. I thought it was a simple question-but no one answered it
Tina Travis Elkhorn Alpacas
31655 Elkhorn Glen
Warrenton,MO.63383
636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930
 Alpacas are a rare treasure,
 one that I like to share!!!!


From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 11:17:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Minerals / Copper

 
I guess we should all not discuss anything we do at our farms at all, then. If anyone has a question, ask your vet.


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On May 6, 2010, at 8:50 AM, Laura A. Roberts wrote:


            Because they are ignorant. (I am included in this generalization) Is this the answer you were waiting to hear?

 

            I appreciate you bringing up the subject, really.  But the exclamation points are getting old.

 

            I will do better research regarding copper, and will have labs run on the one girl I am feeding broodmare supplement. 

 

            I do know that alpacas require more copper than sheep…….closer to goats but not as much as horses or cattle, so if I feed anything not labeled for alpacas, I will avoid those labeled for cattle and probably horses, too.

 

            Thanks for bringing this up. 

 

            To anyone out there with skinny animals, please disregard my advice to feed Calf Manna or Broodmare grains.  While it appears to be working for us, I would not want anyone to have negative results due to my ignorance.

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania,  VA 

 

From:  AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Tina Travis
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:27 AM
To:  AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Minerals / Copper

 

 

                  No one seams to get my question!!  I want to know why people are adding more feeds that are not made for Alpacas & those other feeds have added copper in them!!!!WHY ARE PEOPLE DOING THIS?Then they freely advices others to do this .I know all about feed,hay,pasture, minerals. .My herd is fine---BUT i am concerned about all these Pacas that are getting all the extras that are not made for alpaca and they have ADDED copper!!!

Tina Travis  
Elkhorn Alpacas
31655  Elkhorn Glen
Warrenton,MO. 63383
636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930




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posted by Chaddo at 10:57 AM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Minerals / Copper

 

I suppose because it is an essential nutrient. It is only required in trace amounts, but deficiency is as dangerous as overdosing.


Farms that are on drylot or where pasture grass is limited, the feeds must have some copper added. 


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On May 6, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Tina Travis wrote:


          That is not what I meant--I was trying to find out why farms are using feeds that have added copper?Instead I continued get told what feed or mineral 
I should use. I wanted to know if these farms are concerned about copper. I thought it was a simple question-but no one answered it
Tina Travis Elkhorn Alpacas
31655 Elkhorn Glen
Warrenton,MO.63383
636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930
 Alpacas are a rare treasure,
 one that I like to share!!!!


From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 11:17:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Minerals / Copper

 
I guess we should all not discuss anything we do at our farms at all, then. If anyone has a question, ask your vet.


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On May 6, 2010, at 8:50 AM, Laura A. Roberts wrote:


            Because they are ignorant. (I am included in this generalization) Is this the answer you were waiting to hear?

 

            I appreciate you bringing up the subject, really.  But the exclamation points are getting old.

 

            I will do better research regarding copper, and will have labs run on the one girl I am feeding broodmare supplement. 

 

            I do know that alpacas require more copper than sheep…….closer to goats but not as much as horses or cattle, so if I feed anything not labeled for alpacas, I will avoid those labeled for cattle and probably horses, too.

 

            Thanks for bringing this up. 

 

            To anyone out there with skinny animals, please disregard my advice to feed Calf Manna or Broodmare grains.  While it appears to be working for us, I would not want anyone to have negative results due to my ignorance.

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania,  VA 

 

From:  AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Tina Travis
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:27 AM
To:  AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Minerals / Copper

 
 

                  No one seams to get my question!!  I want to know why people are adding more feeds that are not made for Alpacas & those other feeds have added copper in them!!!!WHY ARE PEOPLE DOING THIS?Then they freely advices others to do this .I know all about feed,hay,pasture, minerals. .My herd is fine---BUT i am concerned about all these Pacas that are getting all the extras that are not made for alpaca and they have ADDED copper!!!

Tina Travis  
Elkhorn Alpacas
31655  Elkhorn Glen
Warrenton,MO. 63383
636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930





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posted by Chaddo at 10:56 AM 0 comments