Hello Jacki,
I don't know what to say except thank you so very, very, very much!
Libby
Libby Forstner
Magical Farms, Inc.
Litchfield Ohio
(330)667-3233
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Libby,
I am a small farm and want to thank you - and all the large and/or
successful farms - for your participation and dedication to this
business. I don't think we realize that it wouldn't be a business
without your support - from growth in the industry to success at shows
to people even knowing what an alpaca is!! And, thank you for your
support at shows. I notice that your farm has ALWAYS been a top sponsor
at the shows that I've attended with you. That's in addition to paying
the same stall and entry fees that we all pay. Your continued support in
those areas do decrease the costs for the rest of us - even if we don't
all realize it. I wonder what this industry would be like without the
support your farm (and farms like yours) has given for so many years. I
wonder if there would be shows at all without generous donations and
sponsorship?? I wonder if we'd have the advancement in alpaca research
that we have had? I wonder how successful the associations (from AOBA
all the way to the local state associations) would be without the hours
and hours of volunteer work your farm has done? I just don't think some
of us realize how much the "large" farms contribute to the success of
the industry and the success of the "small" farm.
I, too, love the showing. I love seeing my babies out there strutting
their stuff - even if they don't come in first. It's a part of this
business that is fun.
I am grateful for your generous support and continued devotion to these
wonderful animals and to the success of our industry.
Jacki Robert
Alpaca Creek Farm
1745 Saundersville Road, Hendersonville, TN 37075
Office - 615.826.9380
Cell - 615.828.6419
www.AlpacaCreekFarm.com <BLOCKED::http://www.alpacacreekfarm.com/>
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Hello Heather,
Yes, it is expensive to show and time consuming as well but there are
great people and great animals to see at shows so that part is fun. I'm
genuinely sorry that you are so unhappy with things. I'm at a loss as to
what to say or do to help as when I try, I'm seen as condescending.
So...let's see...you are bitter and I'm condescending...what a pair we
are!!! (smile) Perhaps they are right. Perhaps...well...maybe we need to
go out and just eat lots of chocolate!!! Better than eating worms!
(smile)
ALSA (Alpaca and Llama Show Association for the new people in the
audience) doesn't do any advertising for it's members and the last I
heard
(might have changed), their judge's training doesn't compare with AOBA's
for alpacas. (For the new breeders: ALSA was the show system for AOBA
until problems arose and AOBA set up its own system in the early 2000's.
ALSA is just a show system so they don't have to raise money for
anything
else. Unfortunately for the llama industry, their national llama
association went out of business and no one marketed llamas for its
members so prices of llamas fell. They also didn't close their Registry.
There is a huge difference between ALSA and AOBA and what they do for
their respective memberships including alpaca Judge's training.) Anyway,
I truly believe that if llama breeders marketed their llamas the way
alpaca breeders do, we'd have some serious competition for buyer's
dollars
as they too are lovely animals.
Believe it or not, I honestly do not care how AOBA raises its marketing
dollars for the membership as long as they raise the dollars and spend
them on behalf of the membership. I don't care if big breeders aren't
allowed to donate. I just care that marketing dollars are raised and
spent on behalf of the membership. Hundreds of thousands of dollars are
not easy to raise which is why AOBA's marketing committee came up with
many different ways of doing it such as animal donations and some of the
fund-raising programs that you don't like. But, honestly, if the new
Board comes up with alternative ways to raise the marketing budget
dollars
that involves money from small farms only, I'm totally cool with that.
No
problem here...
Yes, I read the e-mail that the national conference is now lifting the
stalling restriction and I admit that I'm surprised. I don't know the
reasons as Jerry is no longer on the Board but you might ask Jess Bowers
or Ian Watt the reason. I'm curious as well and might e-mail them
myself.
As I recall, the reason it was limited in the past was to try to allow
more small breeders to participate. However, if the stalls haven't been
selling, they might have done it for financial reasons. I just don't
know
and I better not guess. We usually take only 3 or 4 full fleeced alpacas
to the national show (have done this for years now) and a handful for
composite classes since they've had trouble filling composite classes.
I've always been surprised that composite classes didn't do better,
especially for summer shows. I believe it is a wonderful, kind way to
show...showing an alpaca and its fleece separately. I think that Bare
Naked show concept is great. Sounds like great fun. Maybe those are
shows where composite classes could better thrive?
Phew...sure am glad WE weren't the farm who brought animals to Portland
to
sit in an air conditioned trailer to sell! I'd probably be hung up by my
toes! (smile!!) I also didn't think that practice was allowed at any
show, especially at AOBA where they seem to watch that pretty carefully.
I
must have missed something that year. If I remember correctly, that was
the year the AOBA fleece show superintendent didn't show at the last
minute and they asked me at the last minute to be the show
superintendent
and I was tied up very busy doing that so I was probably too busy to see
what happened in the parking lot.
Heather, you and I have had some pretty entertaining disagreements
(fights?) over the last year or so but you never tossed me off the site
and for that I admire you. I wish things could be better. I can hardly
wait until this economy turns around!
Anyway, have a great night.
Libby
Libby Forstner
Magical Farms, Inc.
Litchfield Ohio
(330)667-3233
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Hi Libby,
I really didn't set out to say anything about any farm or someone's
marketing program. I was talking about the high cost of showing our
alpacas in AOBA certified shows. ALSA shows generally cost us a
fraction of AOBA certified shows. I don't think there's a real, valid
reason for that.
I think AOBA is giving its members less and less for their dues. I just
got a call from someone who was a $1500 benefactor a few years ago, and
said that even those benefits weren't worth it. She said she received
outdated databases, with some addresses that she knew were at least two
years out of date, even as shown in the membership directory.
She mentioned that there is no limit to number of pens one may purchase
at Nationals. I didn't read that far. But that just further puts the
little guy at a disadvantage. Those of us who can't afford to buy pens
for nationals before the holiday season will be stalled out in the
boonies, in the darkest least travelled corners of the facilities.
She told me about a large farm who had rows of stalls at Nationals when
they were in Portland last time, who also brought an air-conditioned
semi-trailer full of alpacas for sale in addition to their animals
inside in the stalls, brought potential buyers outside to look at the
animals. Wow, I thought it was prohibited to house one's alpacas in
trailers in the parking lot.
I'm very sorry that people find my words inflammatory and maybe bitter.
The things I'm speaking out against are real.
Heather
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