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Tuesday, July 08, 2008

Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: dust lice treatment

Like usually is on the rump of the alpaca, but it can be in other places as well. They look like little white things on the fiber, close to the skin. If you have recently shorn, you should be able to see them easily on the cut side of the fiber. They have this kind of glue substance that sticks the nits on to the hairs.

Stephanie

--- On Tue, 7/8/08, houckj@aol.com <houckj@aol.com> wrote:
From: houckj@aol.com <houckj@aol.com>
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: dust lice treatment
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 2:19 PM

<<We have this stuff called Citricidal (Nutirbiotic Co.) that is highly

concentrated Grapefruit Seed Extract. GSE is anti-parasitic, anti-fungal,

anti-bacterial, anti-everything. .. You will need to check out the website

and see what the dilutions are for your usage. By the way, using a different

brand will give different results depending on quality and strength.

We put it in a pump sprayer and spray the living quarters as well as around

the poop piles and anywhere they walk regularly. >>

I have used Nutribiotic' s GSE for decades for many things and love it,

but never thought of using it in this way. What a great idea; thanks

for sharing!

Also, DE could be dusted in the stalls and I have on occasion dusted it

into their dirt bath areas as a preventative, but haven't done it in

years.

How do you recognize that you have a lice problem?

Isn't injectable invermec/dectomax also a treatment for biting lice? I

seem to recall reading this in Dr Evans manual (which btw I which

*somebody* would tell him an index in his books would make them

infinitely more useful). If they are getting this every 4-6 wks for

menigeal worm prevention, they should be covered for mites as well.

Thanks,

Janice











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[AlpacaTalk] Re: dust lice treatment

<<We have this stuff called Citricidal (Nutirbiotic Co.) that is highly
concentrated Grapefruit Seed Extract. GSE is anti-parasitic, anti-fungal,
anti-bacterial, anti-everything... You will need to check out the website
and see what the dilutions are for your usage. By the way, using a different
brand will give different results depending on quality and strength.

We put it in a pump sprayer and spray the living quarters as well as around
the poop piles and anywhere they walk regularly. >>

I have used Nutribiotic's GSE for decades for many things and love it,
but never thought of using it in this way. What a great idea; thanks
for sharing!

Also, DE could be dusted in the stalls and I have on occasion dusted it
into their dirt bath areas as a preventative, but haven't done it in
years.

How do you recognize that you have a lice problem?

Isn't injectable invermec/dectomax also a treatment for biting lice? I
seem to recall reading this in Dr Evans manual (which btw I which
*somebody* would tell him an index in his books would make them
infinitely more useful). If they are getting this every 4-6 wks for
menigeal worm prevention, they should be covered for mites as well.

Thanks,
Janice

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] dust lice treatment

Hi Emaly,

We have not used GSE on the alpacas for lice. You might want to look up the usage of the coconut oil for lice. It is reported to kill them. I have read much about coconut oil online and it is truly a miracle cure all.

Steph

--- On Mon, 7/7/08, Emaly Leak <llamapyr25@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Emaly Leak <llamapyr25@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] dust lice treatment
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 7:31 PM

Have you actually used it to treat a diagnosed case of lice, and did it

work? Has anyone else used it? I like the idea of using something that is

not toxic, as I have 2 bred females and one nursing. Emaly

Emaly Leak

Autumn Hill Llamas & Fiber

llamapyr25@earthlin k.net

www.autumnhillllama s.com <http://www.autumnhi llllamas. com/>

Fairland, IN

Llamas, Alpacas, German Angora Rabbits, and Fiber Items

Female & Male Llamas For Sale

Outside Breedings available to ALSA Halter Champion Male

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From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com] On

Behalf Of Stardust Alpacas

Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 2:14 PM

To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com

Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] dust lice treatment

Hi Gary,

We have this stuff called Citricidal (Nutirbiotic Co.) that is highly

concentrated Grapefruit Seed Extract. GSE is anti-parasitic, anti-fungal,

anti-bacterial, anti-everything. .. You will need to check out the website

and see what the dilutions are for your usage. By the way, using a different

brand will give different results depending on quality and strength.

We put it in a pump sprayer and spray the living quarters as well as around

the poop piles and anywhere they walk regularly.

It is amazing stuff. http://www.nutritea

<http://www.nutritea m.com/index2. html> m.com/index2. html

Here is a an article on using GSE on alpacas in Peru. That is how I

discovered it.

GSE used for Alpacas

This test was conducted by Dr. Guillermo Calderon, Associate Professor

of Immunology at the University of San Marcos in Lima, Peru.

Five hundred and sixty baby alpacas ranging in age from 2 - 6 weeks

were divided into five different groups, two receiving placebos, two

receiving

alternative medications, and one group receiving 400 ppm doses of grapefruit

extract,

1 dose daily for three days.

Dr. Fernando Scheelje of Interfab, S.A., reports,

"For many years decreases in alpaca have been difficult to

cope with. Enterotoxemia, colibacilosis, and enteritis are the major

infectious

problem in baby alpacas. Vaccines and antibiotic treatment have proven

to have different and non-stable results."

The tests conducted by Dr. Calderon indicate that Grapefruit extract "...at

400ppm given orally, out-performed competitive drugs and reduced the

average death rate from over 50% to less than 2%."

In conclusion, Dr. Scheelje wrote that Grapefruit extract "gave a promising

solution for a traditional problem in two ways: (A.) Preventative, and (B.)

Curative."

Good luck!

Stephanie

--- On Mon, 7/7/08, Gary Simpson <info1@tri-valleyal p

<mailto:info1% 40tri-valleyalpa cas.com> acas.com> wrote:

From: Gary Simpson <info1@tri-valleyal p

<mailto:info1% 40tri-valleyalpa cas.com> acas.com>

Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] dust lice treatment

To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro <mailto:AlpacaTalk% 40yahoogroups. com> ups.com

Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 10:16 AM

Steph:

What dilution ratio do you use?

Also, does this have any other benefits to kill any other type

of creature or bacteria?

Gary

----- Original Message -----

From: Stardust Alpacas

To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 1:02 PM

Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] dust lice treatment

By the way, we only treat the animals affected, not the entire herd. I don't

think we have had lice for years. Keeping the area they lay in clean is

really important. Picking up loose hay will keep those sucking parasites at

bay. We spray the stalls down with a dilution of grapefruit seed extract as

well as any rolling areas.

Steph

--- On Mon, 7/7/08, Stardust Alpacas <stardustalpacas@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Stardust Alpacas <stardustalpacas@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] dust lice treatment

To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 9:58 AM

It is my opinion that you should not be less concerned about your animals as

you are with yourself. Washing your hands after you touch them is

sufficient, but with the dirt on them, we have to anyway.

I read recently that applying coconut oil to hair that has lice will kill

and release the knits. It is a much more eco friendly way to treat for those

parasites.

Stephanie

Stardust Alpacas

Creswell, OR 97426

--- On Mon, 7/7/08, Emaly Leak <llamapyr25@ earthlin k.net> wrote:

From: Emaly Leak <llamapyr25@ earthlin k.net>

Subject: [AlpacaTalk] dust lice treatment

To: "Alpaca Talk Yahoo Group" <alpacatalk@ yahoogro ups.com>

Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 5:33 AM

I just finished treating my herd for lice with a dust permethrin product.

There were many warnings and precautions on the label, so we were very

careful not to come in contact with the chemical dust as we applied it to

the animals. My question is, how long should I wait before handling the

animals and touching the treated areas? Thanks, Emaly

Emaly Leak

Autumn Hill Llamas & Fiber

Female Llama and Gelding Alpacas For Sale

Outside Breedings Available to ALSA Halter Champion Herdsire

Llamas, Alpacas, & German Angora Rabbits

Pleasant View, IN

llamapyr25@earthlin k.net

www.autumnhillllama s.com

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Cria/Mom questions

If you are in white tail deer country, which is m-worm country, Ivermectin must be given every 30 days, year round, regardless of pregnancy, age, etc.? M-worm is the issue.? I don't know if folks in m-worm country time their breedings so that they aren't vaccinating in that 14 to 28 day window, but if you don't vaccinate, you might have a dead paca.

Heidi Christensen
WingNut Farm Alpacas
Graham WA
(253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
www.wingnut-alpacas.com

-----Original Message-----
From: sfalpacas <Shadowberry@verizon.net>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 4:52 am
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Cria/Mom questions

I am also a newbie,had a similar question recently, and here's what I
found, based on my notes from hearing Dr. Evans at MAPACA this spring
and in his book, 2003 edition, page 18.

He wrote, in regard to deworming or vaccinating in the first 60 days
or last 30 days of pregnancy, "about 6 to 10% of known pregnant
alpacas absorb due to this stress in the first 60 days, and a similar
number birth early after handling in the last 30 days."

He also wrote "any wormer or vaccine administered days 14-28 of
pregnancy has a chance of producing a congenital birth defect."

You need to read this for yourself as he writes more in regard to
various other stressors on pregnancy.

Here's how I interpreted the advice concerning deworming. I am
assuming that in the early days of pregnancy, before the egg is
implanted and fetal development has gotten underway, that the fetus
is safe from outside influence. I therefore timed my monthly Ivomec
shot to be given in the first few days after conception. I usually
give it every 28 days, will delay the next shot a couple of days. My
notes from the seminar indicated that he gave the time frame as "15 -
30 or 35 days", rather than the 45 days that he indicates in the book.

In regard to giving Ivomec in the latter days of pregnancy, I am
interpreting his words to mean that it is the stress of the shot,
rather than the medication itself, that is the danger. Since my
animals do not get excessively stressed-out over their shots, I
didn't worry about this and gave the shots in late pregnancy without
incident.

Hope this helps clarify a little.

Nancy

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Cria/Mom questions

I am also a newbie,had a similar question recently, and here's what I
found, based on my notes from hearing Dr. Evans at MAPACA this spring
and in his book, 2003 edition, page 18.

He wrote, in regard to deworming or vaccinating in the first 60 days
or last 30 days of pregnancy, "about 6 to 10% of known pregnant
alpacas absorb due to this stress in the first 60 days, and a similar
number birth early after handling in the last 30 days."

He also wrote "any wormer or vaccine administered days 14-28 of
pregnancy has a chance of producing a congenital birth defect."

You need to read this for yourself as he writes more in regard to
various other stressors on pregnancy.

Here's how I interpreted the advice concerning deworming. I am
assuming that in the early days of pregnancy, before the egg is
implanted and fetal development has gotten underway, that the fetus
is safe from outside influence. I therefore timed my monthly Ivomec
shot to be given in the first few days after conception. I usually
give it every 28 days, will delay the next shot a couple of days. My
notes from the seminar indicated that he gave the time frame as "15 -
30 or 35 days", rather than the 45 days that he indicates in the book.

In regard to giving Ivomec in the latter days of pregnancy, I am
interpreting his words to mean that it is the stress of the shot,
rather than the medication itself, that is the danger. Since my
animals do not get excessively stressed-out over their shots, I
didn't worry about this and gave the shots in late pregnancy without
incident.

Hope this helps clarify a little.

Nancy

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