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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Check off the kind of marketing YOU want! Now: Advertising discussion

Hi Heather,

Just wanted to say I consider announcements for
seminars and how-tos acceptable advertising. It is or could be, very helpful.

Jim Guerin
Jimmini Farm
Yelm,WA

----- Original Message -----
From: Heather Zeleny
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Check off the kind of marketing YOU want! Now: Advertising discussion

You see, that's why I ask for input from members. So we have two
members who have spoken up that they consider announcements for
seminars and how-tos unacceptable advertising.

That you may not be interested in attending a show in VA is beside the
point. This group is comprised of members from around the planet. Not
every topic will interest everyone. Say you do want to attend a
pre-natal seminar, but you don't know where one is held. The ability to
post a spread the word about events is crucial!

I feel that there is a very clear difference between announcing a
seminar, show, or marketing advice, and those that announce products or
animals. If I'm selling something, I benefit from the income. The
buyer, I suppose, benefits in receiving goods - socks, your
hypothetical poop scooper, my hypothetical wonderful alpaca for sale or
sire for hire, blankets, sweaters... But classes and shows are
different in that ALL attendees have the same opportunity. Certainly,
those who put on the show or seminar are profiting, but so are those
who attend. They are completely different.

I definitely do not want this to be a classified ad posting board. I
want information to be shared, any information that can help our fellow
alpaca breeders.

I would really like to see more discussion on this, from more members.

Heather

On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Don Stanwyck wrote:

> Heather:
>
> If I agree with your logic, then advertising my custom made
> waste-free hay feeders, my special alpaca-specific pooper-scoopers,
> etc., would all be acceptable because everyone could benefit from
> them. Advertising transport services or other services that "anyone
> could benefit from" would also be acceptable.
>
> My two-cents worth is that you need to either allow or disallow all
> advertising. You might decide to allow "announcements" of
> AOBA-affiliate sponsored shows or some such class, but in fact a show
> in Virginia is really not something of interest to me in Washington.
> Of course, at the end of the day, if's your list and your decision.
>
> Don Stanwyck
>
> Carnation, WA
>
> On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:58:46 -0800, Heather Zeleny wrote
> > Yes, I personally feel that we can all benefit from learning how to
> > sell our alpacas and products. I think we can all benefit from Marty
> > McGee seminars learning to handle our alpacas. I think we can all
> > benefit from pre and neonatal clinics and seminars...
> >
> > I realize that those who put on these seminars and have marketing
> > guides to sell are profiting from them, but anyone who participates
> > stands also to benefit from the knowledge they gain.
> >
> > I also feel advertising shows should be allowed, as anyone who
> enters
> > shows has an opportunity to benefit in the form of ribbons and
> > exposure.
> >
> > If a majority of members disagree, please weigh in on it. This has
> been
> > my stance since I started this group 4 years ago, and I still feel
> the
> > same way about it.
> >
> > Now, ads for products for sale, animals for sale or herdsires for
> hire,
> > farm dispersals, auctions, are things I absolutely do not want to
> see
> > on this discussion group.
> >
> > In my mind there is a distinct difference.
> >
> > Heather
> >
> > On Nov 7, 2008, at 10:36 AM, suekodu wrote:
> >
> > > --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Ellie Winslow
> <winslowellie@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > o 1. My ads actually get people to contact me
> > > > o 2. Buyers really show up with money
> > > > o 3. I have very happy customers
> > > > o 4. I don't have to do "stock reduction" sales
> > > > o 5. My farm makes money
> > > > o 6. I can quit my other job
> > > >
> > > > Yes--the secrets of this kind of marketing will catapult you
> into
> > > success! I'm so sure you can be successful with this information,
> > > that I'll guarantee it--in 30 days, if you don't think it works,
> > > I'll buy it back!
> > > > http://beyondthesidewalk.com
> > >
> > > There seem to be several "can't sell your alpacas ? then buy my
> > > marketing product! " posts appearing here !
> > >
> > > Richard
> > > Maidstone Kent UK
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> Don Stanwyck
> Jo's Fleece Fields (www.fleecefields.com)
> 10528 344th Ave NE
> Carnation, WA 98014
> +1-425-788-8239
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Diatomaceous Earth

Janice - yes, we only pay $13 - $18 a 50 lb bag for food-grade diatomaceous
earth at our local feedstore (Hay Connection in Norco, CA). I learned they
carried it AFTER I paid $47 to buy it and have it shipped from elsewhere. One
bag lasted us all summer and I have 5 horses I also feed it to daily. I am
still feeding it now, it was 95 degrees here today and we STILL have flies in
NOVEMBER. What a state.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA
-----------------------


In a message dated 11/7/2008 7:01:29 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
houckj@aol.com writes:

Thanks Mary, Karen, and Allison for your input. I should add that I do
soak the beet pulp before giving it. They are loving it. Which is
unusual as they usually turn their noses up at anything besides their
regular alpaca pellets. I keep trying to find a way to get them to eat
their minerals (Dr Evans'), but nothing works. My plan, now that I know
they will eat the beet pulp, is now to add the minerals to it and hope
they will go for it....and the DE, once I find an affordable source for
that - my feed store wants $45 for a 50# bag. Egads. No one around
here carries it and that checked into for me. That is the price they
gave me. I think someone here wrote me that they pay $15 for a 50# bag
at their feed store?

I do feed my animals separately so they can eat at their own pace and in
peace. I know many don't like to feed grain and that makes sense to me.
I tried last year, when we had this discussion, to take them off the
very expensive alpaca formula and switch them to alfalfa
cubes......nope, wouldn't touch it, except for one boy. So after a few
weeks it was back to the expensive formula. The reason I got in the
habit of feeding them in the first place was to train them to come to
the catch pens.....that is where I feed them. So when I need them for
some reason I just rattle the feeding can and here they come. They each
know exactly where to go and it is cute watching them peel off to their
respective feeding areas.

My older female has always been skinny and no matter what I do her body
score just does not come up. She always looks preg tho as she carries
this large belly under her, but bony and scrawny on top. This large
belly changes in size with no cause that I can discern. I always laugh
about the Jan night 5 or 6 years ago I called my then vet and told him
"we" were having a baby that night. It was due according to my records
and she was all of a sudden huge in the belly when I went to feed that
night. It was my first and I was so excited. Well no baby. In fact
that baby did not come until July. She has fooled me many a time since
with that belly.

Anyway, I digress. Thanks for the confirmation on the beet pulp. Since
so many of you mentioned Calf Manna, I guess I'll have to look into that
as well; I've seen it at the feed store but don't know what it is. But
truly if I could just those expensive minerals in my guys I would be
happy. I put out a mineral block but they haven't touched it either.

I do feed freshly ground flax seeds to my dog and myself, but never
thought about feeding to the alpacas. I have been giving to my dog for
many many years and it is not helping his coat/skin at all. What is
your reason for giving to the alpacas?

Warmly, Janice

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posted by Chaddo at 7:42 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Check off the kind of marketing YOU want! Now: Advertisi...

I agree with you completely on this, Heather. There are other sites for
marketing that people can use and we do need to know about shows.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

------------------------


In a message dated 11/7/2008 11:56:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com writes:

You see, that's why I ask for input from members. So we have two
members who have spoken up that they consider announcements for
seminars and how-tos unacceptable advertising.

That you may not be interested in attending a show in VA is beside the
point. This group is comprised of members from around the planet. Not
every topic will interest everyone. Say you do want to attend a
pre-natal seminar, but you don't know where one is held. The ability to
post a spread the word about events is crucial!

I feel that there is a very clear difference between announcing a
seminar, show, or marketing advice, and those that announce products or
animals. If I'm selling something, I benefit from the income. The
buyer, I suppose, benefits in receiving goods - socks, your
hypothetical poop scooper, my hypothetical wonderful alpaca for sale or
sire for hire, blankets, sweaters... But classes and shows are
different in that ALL attendees have the same opportunity. Certainly,
those who put on the show or seminar are profiting, but so are those
who attend. They are completely different.

I definitely do not want this to be a classified ad posting board. I
want information to be shared, any information that can help our fellow
alpaca breeders.

I would really like to see more discussion on this, from more members.

Heather

On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Don Stanwyck wrote:

> Heather:
>
> If I agree with your logic, then advertising my custom made
> waste-free hay feeders, my special alpaca-specific pooper-scoopers,
> etc., would all be acceptable because everyone could benefit from
> them. Advertising transport services or other services that "anyone
> could benefit from" would also be acceptable.
>
> My two-cents worth is that you need to either allow or disallow all
> advertising. You might decide to allow "announcements" of
> AOBA-affiliate sponsored shows or some such class, but in fact a show
> in Virginia is really not something of interest to me in Washington.
> Of course, at the end of the day, if's your list and your decision.
>
> Don Stanwyck
>
> Carnation, WA
>
> On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:58:46 -0800, Heather Zeleny wrote
> > Yes, I personally feel that we can all benefit from learning how to
> > sell our alpacas and products. I think we can all benefit from Marty
> > McGee seminars learning to handle our alpacas. I think we can all
> > benefit from pre and neonatal clinics and seminars...
> >
> > I realize that those who put on these seminars and have marketing
> > guides to sell are profiting from them, but anyone who participates
> > stands also to benefit from the knowledge they gain.
> >
> > I also feel advertising shows should be allowed, as anyone who
> enters
> > shows has an opportunity to benefit in the form of ribbons and
> > exposure.
> >
> > If a majority of members disagree, please weigh in on it. This has
> been
> > my stance since I started this group 4 years ago, and I still feel
> the
> > same way about it.
> >
> > Now, ads for products for sale, animals for sale or herdsires for
> hire,
> > farm dispersals, auctions, are things I absolutely do not want to
> see
> > on this discussion group.
> >
> > In my mind there is a distinct difference.
> >
> > Heather
> >
> > On Nov 7, 2008, at 10:36 AM, suekodu wrote:
> >
> > > --- In _AlpacaTalk@yahoogroAlpacaT_
(mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com) , Ellie Winslow
> <winslowellie@win>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > o 1. My ads actually get people to contact me
> > > > o 2. Buyers really show up with money
> > > > o 3. I have very happy customers
> > > > o 4. I don't have to do "stock reduction" sales
> > > > o 5. My farm makes money
> > > > o 6. I can quit my other job
> > > >
> > > > Yes--the secrets of this kind of marketing will catapult you
> into
> > > success! I'm so sure you can be successful with this information,
> > > that I'll guarantee it--in 30 days, if you don't think it works,
> > > I'll buy it back!
> > > > _http://beyondthesidhttp://be_ (http://beyondthesidewalk.com/)
> > >
> > > There seem to be several "can't sell your alpacas ? then buy my
> > > marketing product! " posts appearing here !
> > >
> > > Richard
> > > Maidstone Kent UK
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> Don Stanwyck
> Jo's Fleece Fields (www.fleecefields.(www
> 10528 344th Ave NE
> Carnation, WA 98014
> +1-425-788-8239
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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posted by Chaddo at 7:39 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: [Alpaca meat

I totally understand your point, Richard. I think that as a side business
for a small breeder alpacas are still a good investment but I am well aware
that many of the larger ranches are having problems. The fiber male/gelding
problem is something that needs to be resolved soon. I think the increasing
number of mills in the US is a start to a good resolution. I love the little
critters and would have some as pets whether or not they produce anything -
maybe the pet industry is a market we need to approach.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA


In a message dated 11/7/2008 10:57:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
humhojl120@hotmail.com writes:

--- In _AlpacaTalk@yahoogroAlpacaT_ (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com) ,
LunarStruck@, Luna
>
> Honestly, we very legally wrote off the entire purchase price of
our starter
> females - and we don't ever plan on selling them, so it really was
a great
> deal for us. If anyone needs the write-off, alpacas still are a
great
> investment. What other investment returns that type of percentage
(from the
> offspring)?
>
> SUSAN OLSON
> Alpaca Loco
> Riverside, CA

Yes of course it is possible to legally write-off the entire purchase
price, but that is not the same as paying nothing for starter
females, because no-one pay 100% tax.

If you never plan to sell them, then of course their value will
reduce to NIL eventually, so you are entitled to write that total
expenditure down against tax. It isn't really some favoured deal,
just a recognition of a depreciating asset that has cost you so many
$000s. You can take the depreciation write-off all in one go (first
year) or choose to depreciate over a number of years.

Whether alpacas are a great investment is another issue - to me, it
seems the days of high prices are over (a combination of the national
herd increasing, the lack of a viable end product, and now the
recession), so that breeders (some posting on this site) are finding
sales a struggle. It's not a great investment if you get stuck with
unwanted fiber males or have to seriously lower prices for breeding
females.

Sorry to be a pain !

Richard
Maidstone Kent UK

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Check off the kind of marketing YOU want! Now: Advertising discussion

Heather,

I feel the same as Robin. Shows & Seminars are of interest to me. But, I
am a little tired of advertising by a few that is constant almost every day
for the benefit of only those doing the advertising. Shows & Seminars
usually are a benefit to all.

Shirley Dillon

Alpacas of Gemini Farm
Basking Ridge, NJ 07920

www.alpacanation.com/geminifarm.asp
908-647-2995
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Buettenback" <jardbuet74@yahoo.com>
To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Check off the kind of marketing YOU want! Now:
Advertising discussion

Heather--I do not want this to become another alpaca market forum but I do
appreciate that we could mention a seminar or event. Forums like this also
help me to get to know alpaca farmers/ranchers all over North America, help
me to know what is going on in the alpaca world and let me make decisions in
who I would or would not want to do business with. I don't comment much but
I do watch and read the posts quite often and yes, everytime you post, you
make a statement (advertisement) about your Alpaca Farm to me and all others
on this forum. Robin

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Check off the kind of marketing YOU want! Now: Advertising discussion

Anyone who gives their input on this type of forum is, in a way, advertising because almost everyone responds with their "signature line" as their farm name (and some signature lines also make note of herdsires, services,etc the farm may be promoting)  You are marketing your farm just by posting to this site.
Announcing a show, seminar or event that a person would then have to look up to get details on is alot different than listing a dozen alpacas or alpaca product that you want to sell. 
Heather--I do not want this to become another alpaca market forum but I do appreciate that we could mention a seminar or event.  Forums like this also help me to get to know alpaca farmers/ranchers all over North America,  help me to know what is going on in the alpaca world and let me make decisions in who I would or would not want to do business with.  I don't comment much but I do watch and read the posts quite often and yes, everytime you post, you make a statement (advertisement) about your Alpaca Farm to me and all others on this forum.  Robin 

Ace & Robin Buettenback
B4 Alpacas LLC
3742 S Locust
Grand Island Ne 68801

--- On Fri, 11/7/08, Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com> wrote:

From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com>
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Check off the kind of marketing YOU want! Now: Advertising discussion
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 1:54 PM

You see, that's why I ask for input from members. So we have two
members who have spoken up that they consider announcements for
seminars and how-tos unacceptable advertising.

That you may not be interested in attending a show in VA is beside the
point. This group is comprised of members from around the planet. Not
every topic will interest everyone. Say you do want to attend a
pre-natal seminar, but you don't know where one is held. The ability to
post a spread the word about events is crucial!

I feel that there is a very clear difference between announcing a
seminar, show, or marketing advice, and those that announce products or
animals. If I'm selling something, I benefit from the income. The
buyer, I suppose, benefits in receiving goods - socks, your
hypothetical poop scooper, my hypothetical wonderful alpaca for sale or
sire for hire, blankets, sweaters... But classes and shows are
different in that ALL attendees have the same opportunity. Certainly,
those who put on the show or seminar are profiting, but so are those
who attend. They are completely different.

I definitely do not want this to be a classified ad posting board. I
want information to be shared, any information that can help our fellow
alpaca breeders.

I would really like to see more discussion on this, from more members.

Heather

On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Don Stanwyck wrote:

> Heather:
>
> If I agree with your logic, then advertising my custom made
> waste-free hay feeders, my special alpaca-specific pooper-scoopers,
> etc., would all be acceptable because everyone could benefit from
> them.  Advertising transport services or other services that "anyone
> could benefit from" would also be acceptable.
>
> My two-cents worth is that you need to either allow or disallow all
> advertising.  You might decide to allow "announcements" of
> AOBA-affiliate sponsored shows or some such class, but in fact a show
> in Virginia is really not something of interest to me in Washington. 
> Of course, at the end of the day, if's your list and your decision.
>
> Don Stanwyck
>
> Carnation, WA
>
> On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:58:46 -0800, Heather Zeleny wrote
> > Yes, I personally feel that we can all benefit from learning how to
> > sell our alpacas and products. I think we can all benefit from Marty
> > McGee seminars learning to handle our alpacas. I think we can all
> > benefit from pre and neonatal clinics and seminars...
> >
> > I realize that those who put on these seminars and have marketing
> > guides to sell are profiting from them, but anyone who participates
> > stands also to benefit from the knowledge they gain.
> >
> > I also feel advertising shows should be allowed, as anyone who
> enters
> > shows has an opportunity to benefit in the form of ribbons and
> > exposure.
> >
> > If a majority of members disagree, please weigh in on it. This has
> been
> > my stance since I started this group 4 years ago, and I still feel
> the
> > same way about it.
> >
> > Now, ads for products for sale, animals for sale or herdsires for
> hire,
> > farm dispersals, auctions, are things I absolutely do not want to
> see
> > on this discussion group.
> >
> > In my mind there is a distinct difference.
> >
> > Heather
> >
> > On Nov 7, 2008, at 10:36 AM, suekodu wrote:
> >
> > > --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com, Ellie Winslow
> <winslowellie@ ...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > o 1. My ads actually get people to contact me
> > > > o 2. Buyers really show up with money
> > > > o 3. I have very happy customers
> > > > o 4. I don't have to do "stock reduction" sales
> > > > o 5. My farm makes money
> > > > o 6. I can quit my other job
> > > >
> > > > Yes--the secrets of this kind of marketing will catapult you
> into
> > > success! I'm so sure you can be successful with this information,
> > > that I'll guarantee it--in 30 days, if you don't think it works,
> > > I'll buy it back!
> > > > http://beyondthesid ewalk.com
> > >
> > > There seem to be several "can't sell your alpacas ? then buy my
> > > marketing product! " posts appearing here !
> > >
> > > Richard
> > > Maidstone Kent UK
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> Don Stanwyck
> Jo's Fleece Fields  (www.fleecefields. com)
> 10528 344th Ave NE
> Carnation, WA 98014
> +1-425-788-8239
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Contract Extensions

Thank you so much for your questions. Please if there are more
questions from folks, I'd be happy to see if I can answer them. If I
don't have the answer, I will find it!

Yes, it was personally guaranteed by the buyer.

The buyer took physical possession of the animals after the 20% down
but ARI's were not transferred until after the contract was satisfied
in full.

I am of the opinion that the Seller has full rights to recover the
alpacas if the court trustee takes the final balloon payment.
However, the seller no longer has a location to keep alpacas. The
seller has gone out of business. There fore, it has been requested
by the seller that the buyer repay any re-claimed monies. Of which
my friend feels very entitled to do. It was not the sellers fault
that the buyer filed chap 7. Once a debt is satisfied, the court
should not be able to re claim...but the court is un-clear to the
fact that this was a business deal and not personal. The court does
not understand that this is an industry and that we contract as
buyers and sellers in order to protect our selves from situations
such as this. Hence why I am asking for examples of extended
contracts

No, the seller was never listed as an existing creditor at the filing
because, the debt had been paid.

We are trying to get this thrown out by showing that we do contract
and that sometimes extensions are given. That seems to be the catch
that the sellers' attorney is concerned about. The 30 day extension
change the contract due date. The buyer still made a monthly payment
to the seller but the trustee is saying that because of the extension
it makes the payment "preferential". By submitting other extended
contracts or letters indicating that contracts have been extended by
seller there is a good chance that the attorney can prove to the
trustee that it is typical and an ordinary course of business for us
as an industry from time to time.

Toni Kester
Spirit Eagle Alpacas
Lakewood, Wa

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Gary & Maryann Simpson"
<info1@...> wrote:
>
> Was the contract personally guaranteed by the buyer?
> Does the contract state that all monies have to be paid prior
> to the alpacas being property of the buyer?
> The seller may have recourse to take back the alpacas in that case.
> Also, was the seller included as an obligation in the bankruptcy?
> With a contract, the seller may have recourse to get the bankruptcy
> thrown out if they were not included as a debt.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: yarnpeddler1
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 1:25 PM
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Contract Extensions
>
>
> Oooops, I forgot my signature block! Sorry all, sorry Heather!
>
> Toni Kester
> Spirit Eagle Alpacas
> Lakewood, WA
> --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "yarnpeddler1" <yarnpeddler1@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey all,
> >
> > It's been a while...
> >
> > I had something pop up that I thought I would ask you guys
about...
> >
> > I'll try to keep it simple as it is a bit dramatic and
emotional.
> >
> > A good friend of mine fell in love with Alpacas and ended up
buying
> 3
> > girls. It was a very typical contract, 20% down, monthly
payments
> > with a balloon at the end.
> >
> > This gal made the down and the monthly with out a problem. In
the
> > middle of the year she ended up in a rough situation.
Investments
> > tanked and she had a serious family illness, her Aunt
died...and it
> > really goes on and on for this gal. A really rough year for her
to
> > say the least.
> >
> > She got to the Balloon, she had the money for it but asked her
> seller
> > (whom she became great friends with) for a 30 day extension on
the
> > balloon. The seller agreed and asked for another monthly. That
> was
> > not a problem. All payments made on time. Well about 30 days
> later,
> > this gal found herself in a really tough spot financially and
she
> > ended up filing chapter 7 bankruptcy.
> >
> > Needless to say, the court trustee is calling the last balloon
> > payment a "preferential payment" and has gone to the seller to
> > reclaim the monies that were paid. Even though this is contract
> and
> > typical business for our industry. The seller has retained an
> > attorney and is fighting this claim.
> >
> > What she needs is this....
> > The sellers' attorney has asked if anyone else has extended a
> > contract for a buyer before. He wants to prove to the trustee
that
> > this is something that we as an industry would do. Also, he has
> > asked if sellers would be willing to write letters stating that
> they
> > would or have done this for their buyers.
> >
> > This is something that I believe could happen to any of us in
this
> > day and age. I also believe that the judicial system does not
> > understand the Alpaca Industry at all. If we can help this gal
out
> > we might be able to help protect our selves in the future by
having
> a
> > claim such as this squashed now and on record. That way if it
> > happens to any of us we can go back and say, "Hey look, here is
a
> > claim that was stopped in the favor of sellers!"
> >
> > If you are interested in helping please e-mail me privately.
Time
> is
> > as bit of the essence as the sellers' attorney needs to get
copies
> of
> > documents so that he can argue the case with the trustee. If
you
> > can, please look up any extensions that you have done, black
out
> the
> > name and write a short little letter and send it to me so that
I
> can
> > forward it to my friend.
> >
> > If you have any question re: this...let me know. I'd be happy
to
> > help clarify. It is just so tough to watch someone stuggle so
> hard.
> > She is a good gal with a good heart who really loves her
animals.
> >
> > Thanks guys.....
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Check off the kind of marketing YOU want! Now: Advertising discussion

You see, that's why I ask for input from members. So we have two
members who have spoken up that they consider announcements for
seminars and how-tos unacceptable advertising.

That you may not be interested in attending a show in VA is beside the
point. This group is comprised of members from around the planet. Not
every topic will interest everyone. Say you do want to attend a
pre-natal seminar, but you don't know where one is held. The ability to
post a spread the word about events is crucial!

I feel that there is a very clear difference between announcing a
seminar, show, or marketing advice, and those that announce products or
animals. If I'm selling something, I benefit from the income. The
buyer, I suppose, benefits in receiving goods - socks, your
hypothetical poop scooper, my hypothetical wonderful alpaca for sale or
sire for hire, blankets, sweaters... But classes and shows are
different in that ALL attendees have the same opportunity. Certainly,
those who put on the show or seminar are profiting, but so are those
who attend. They are completely different.

I definitely do not want this to be a classified ad posting board. I
want information to be shared, any information that can help our fellow
alpaca breeders.

I would really like to see more discussion on this, from more members.

Heather

On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Don Stanwyck wrote:

> Heather:
>
> If I agree with your logic, then advertising my custom made
> waste-free hay feeders, my special alpaca-specific pooper-scoopers,
> etc., would all be acceptable because everyone could benefit from
> them.  Advertising transport services or other services that "anyone
> could benefit from" would also be acceptable.
>
> My two-cents worth is that you need to either allow or disallow all
> advertising.  You might decide to allow "announcements" of
> AOBA-affiliate sponsored shows or some such class, but in fact a show
> in Virginia is really not something of interest to me in Washington. 
> Of course, at the end of the day, if's your list and your decision.
>
> Don Stanwyck
>
> Carnation, WA
>
> On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:58:46 -0800, Heather Zeleny wrote
> > Yes, I personally feel that we can all benefit from learning how to
> > sell our alpacas and products. I think we can all benefit from Marty
> > McGee seminars learning to handle our alpacas. I think we can all
> > benefit from pre and neonatal clinics and seminars...
> >
> > I realize that those who put on these seminars and have marketing
> > guides to sell are profiting from them, but anyone who participates
> > stands also to benefit from the knowledge they gain.
> >
> > I also feel advertising shows should be allowed, as anyone who
> enters
> > shows has an opportunity to benefit in the form of ribbons and
> > exposure.
> >
> > If a majority of members disagree, please weigh in on it. This has
> been
> > my stance since I started this group 4 years ago, and I still feel
> the
> > same way about it.
> >
> > Now, ads for products for sale, animals for sale or herdsires for
> hire,
> > farm dispersals, auctions, are things I absolutely do not want to
> see
> > on this discussion group.
> >
> > In my mind there is a distinct difference.
> >
> > Heather
> >
> > On Nov 7, 2008, at 10:36 AM, suekodu wrote:
> >
> > > --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Ellie Winslow
> <winslowellie@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > o 1. My ads actually get people to contact me
> > > > o 2. Buyers really show up with money
> > > > o 3. I have very happy customers
> > > > o 4. I don't have to do "stock reduction" sales
> > > > o 5. My farm makes money
> > > > o 6. I can quit my other job
> > > >
> > > > Yes--the secrets of this kind of marketing will catapult you
> into
> > > success! I'm so sure you can be successful with this information,
> > > that I'll guarantee it--in 30 days, if you don't think it works,
> > > I'll buy it back!
> > > > http://beyondthesidewalk.com
> > >
> > > There seem to be several "can't sell your alpacas ? then buy my
> > > marketing product! " posts appearing here !
> > >
> > > Richard
> > > Maidstone Kent UK
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> Don Stanwyck
> Jo's Fleece Fields  (www.fleecefields.com)
> 10528 344th Ave NE
> Carnation, WA 98014
> +1-425-788-8239
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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