Re: [AlpacaTalk] Cria

 

There is a lot of differing opinion on whether BEW should be bred or not. We know of at least one grand champion working sire in Australia who is BEW. 

Whether a BEW is deaf or not is sort the luck of the draw, during fetal development. So a hearing BEW is no less BEW than a deaf one. There is not a defective gene that produces a BEW, it is a combination of the white spot from one parent and the merle or roan found in white faced greys (also known as tuxedo) from the other parent.

I have seen that, frankly, most people will agree that using a female BEW, deaf or not, as a breeder is perfectly fine, if she is paired with a dark solid colored male. And, people usually use a black male for a good chance of a grey cria. And, since BEW often do have  very fine fleece, there is absolutely no reason not to use a BEW male as a breeder. I think most people in the US would not advise using a BEW male as a breeder, but this really makes no logical sense, if they are happy to use a BEW female as a breeder. 

On our farm, we have a BEW female from a black dam with a white spot who we will breed, if we ever have the room in the pastures for more crias! And, we have a white son of a silver grey female, whose sire is white Victor's Vaccoyo. This male of ours has dark blue/grey eyes, not the bright white/sky blue eyes. We have used him as a sire and will do so again.

Heather

Heather Zeleny

White Lotus Alpacas

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On Jul 27, 2011, at 7:46 AM, jennymt1402002 wrote:

 

We just had our 5th cria born here on our farm. She is a beautiful white girl with bright blue eyes and we have researched this quite a bit and found that 80% of these type of crias are deaf. Sure enough she is deaf. She is outgoing and all the females watch out for her. Her mama has had 3 other crias before her. I wonder if anyone here has had this problem before and if so, do you think she will be good to breed her or just use for fiber?

Don't know anyone personally that has ever had this, just found online information.

Carla Terry
Country Home Alpacas
Mcpherson Kansas 67460

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Cria

 

Carla and all,
BEWs happen. Sometimes they happen the way Jim describes others not so much. I know of two with one white parent and the other fawn with no spots.

While it is true that male BEWs don't tend to be used they are perfectly registrable and breedable according to ARI.

If your little girl was mine Carla I would wait until she is mature to determine if she is a breeding female, just like every other girl born on the ranch. If bred carefully she will not produce BEWs herself.

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Jennifer
Aero Ranch Suri Alpacas
Browns Valley CA

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> Carla,
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> I spent weeks researching blue-eyed deaf.   After my male was born.   They always come from white and white piebald  and grey with white face (piebald again) The fiber is the softest I ever felf it was like angora rabbit. and spins like a dream. 
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> Breeding:  not one person recommended breeding him. Several breeders of blue eyed white hearing alpaca said as long as he was bred to a solid he would throw beautiful cria.  The university said he as a genetic defect and would be be recognized by ARI or CLAA.  so he is a geld pet.  He is love by everyone and anyone.  His fiber is growing back just a soft and angora-like as when he was born.
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> Hope this helps
>  
> Jim
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> From: jennymt1402002 <jennymt1402002@...>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:46 AM
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Cria
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> We just had our 5th cria born here on our farm. She is a beautiful white girl with bright blue eyes and we have researched this quite a bit and found that 80% of these type of crias are deaf. Sure enough she is deaf. She is outgoing and all the females watch out for her. Her mama has had 3 other crias before her. I wonder if anyone here has had this problem before and if so, do you think she will be good to breed her or just use for fiber?
>
> Don't know anyone personally that has ever had this, just found online information.
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> Carla Terry
> Country Home Alpacas
> Mcpherson Kansas 67460
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Cria

 

Carla,

 

I spent weeks researching blue-eyed deaf.   After my male was born.   They always come from white and white piebald  and grey with white face (piebald again) The fiber is the softest I ever felf it was like angora rabbit. and spins like a dream. 

 

Breeding:  not one person recommended breeding him. Several breeders of blue eyed white hearing alpaca said as long as he was bred to a solid he would throw beautiful cria.  The university said he as a genetic defect and would be be recognized by ARI or CLAA.  so he is a geld pet.  He is love by everyone and anyone.  His fiber is growing back just a soft and angora-like as when he was born.

 

Hope this helps

 

Jim

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Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Cria

 

We just had our 5th cria born here on our farm. She is a beautiful white girl with bright blue eyes and we have researched this quite a bit and found that 80% of these type of crias are deaf. Sure enough she is deaf. She is outgoing and all the females watch out for her. Her mama has had 3 other crias before her. I wonder if anyone here has had this problem before and if so, do you think she will be good to breed her or just use for fiber?

Don't know anyone personally that has ever had this, just found online information.

Carla Terry
Country Home Alpacas
Mcpherson Kansas 67460

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[AlpacaTalk] Cria

 

We just had our 5th cria born here on our farm. She is a beautiful white girl with bright blue eyes and we have researched this quite a bit and found that 80% of these type of crias are deaf. Sure enough she is deaf. She is outgoing and all the females watch out for her. Her mama has had 3 other crias before her. I wonder if anyone here has had this problem before and if so, do you think she will be good to breed her or just use for fiber?

Don't know anyone personally that has ever had this, just found online information.

Carla Terry
Country Home Alpacas
Mcpherson Kansas 67460

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] 1st cria

 

Dear Marsha,

I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. It's hard enough when an adult passes, and even more difficult for crias...

Although you are very lucky to have such success and experience with dog breeding, we must be careful that we understand the difference between the two... Sometimes a female alpaca will abandon her cria, not because something is wrong with the cria, but maybe the nurturing instinct hasn't kicked in. I know dogs do that too occasionally...

A first time mom is likely to be nervous and excited at the same time. My guess is she was worried about her new baby, and rightly so.

My advice to your partner would be to have the vet's phone number handy and to call for any questions. A "cria emergency kit" might be an advantage ( your vet can help you make one, or refer to one of your field manuals) in case the vet gives specific instructions over the phone.

Again, so sorry for your loss.

Dede Crout
Dragonfly Alpacas LLc
Marydel, MD

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Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] 1st cria

 

Hi Laura,

No a vet hadn't been called.  She didn't see the delivery but it happened in only a 30 minute period of time so there wasn't a long delivery or difficult delivery.  This was mom's first cria.  I too feel that something wasn't right with this precious girl.  I've learned that thru my years of dog breeding.  Mom would check her but at the end was just nervous acting and wanted to get away from her which makes me believe that she sensed something wasn't right with her cria.

Marsha

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Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] 1st cria

 

            I'm so sorry to hear this.  I know how we anticipated the birth of our first cria at our farm and how nervous I was when the time actually came.  Ours was a first time mom and she labored longer than what seemed normal.  I called my friends/mentors and we called the vet and she talked me through assisting the birth.  Cria was stuck at the shoulder………birth was completed and cria was fine. 

 

            I know it is after the fact, but was a vet called?  I know many people call the vet for everything and some call for nothing and then there are those of us in between. My vet is usually 25 mins away and has come quickly for us.  She has also been very receptive to instructions over the phone, which she has never charged for.

 

            I am so sorry about your loss……….and most likely, something was just not right with cria.  I am also sorry for the dam's loss.  I have no doubt they feel the loss and grieve for their crias. 

 

            We have had several since our first and the more experienced dams usually had them without our "assistance" and the novices were all attended to.  Two novice moms were also dry until 24 hours later and we ended up using goat's milk colostrom on one and plasma transfers on one.  I am much more comfortable with the experienced moms! 

 

            We also had a female cria that had some respiratory issues…….blueish in the lips, tongue, etc.  The vet gave her some shots and she survived, but the next day, in the place of her vulva, was a small balloon.  Her vulva didn't have a complete split and she was retaining her urine.  The vet came out, sedated her a bit, and made an incision.  She said I could probably do it if I needed to in the future, but I have to tell you……..I would call the vet, again. 

 

Laura 

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

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Subject: [AlpacaTalk] 1st cria

 

 

After 3 long years, we had our first cria born yesterday. Unfortunately, instead of it being a happy time (as it should be) it is a time of sadness for us as she only lived a couple hours. The Alpacas are kept at my partners farm which happens to be an hour away from me. My partner had been out to the barn and checked on everyone, all was fine (mom was a week past her due date); 30 mins later she went out to the barn to feed and saw that the cria had been born. Mom had attended to her, cleaned her off and cord was taken care of by mom. The cria was very weak and not able to stand so my partner assisted her to be on her feet and tried to help her so she could nurse, she even milked mom a little and used a syringe to give the baby some milk. She covered the cria with a blanket to keep her warm. I got the call that the cria had been born but wasn't doing good. By the time I got there the cria's lips/tongue were cold and she was very listless. I'm new to breeding Alpacas but have many years breeding dogs and know from that experience that the cold tongue/lips isn't good and in most cases they don't make it once that has happened. We continued to try to keep this precious girl alive and improving but it was to no avail. The cria looked fine physically; I can only figure that she took some fluid in during the delivery. Also, by the time I got there mom was still showing some interest in the cria but nervous which I think was due to the human nervousness about the situation. It's always so sad when such a young healthy "looking" baby doesn't make it. Oh, the after birth/placenta all looked fine. Very discouraging for us after waiting so long for our first cria. Thanks for listening, lets hope next year brings us much better luck with our beloved Alpacas.

Marsha

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