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Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria name

Sorry, that was completely a typo! The R key is right next to the E
key! It should read "if HE were human..."

> If her were human, he would be big trouble! :)

Heather :)

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[AlpacaTalk] cria name

Hi everyone!

I am having a heck of a time coming up with a name for a cria who was
born on June 13, 2008. Friday the 13th, if anyone is interested. I have
run through several ideas. The latest is the one I thought of two years
ago, before he was even conceived, which is Solar Flare. However, since
he is black, I think Hotblack Desiato would be a fun name.

He's full Bolivian. And he is a very sweet and kind little boy, very
gentle but still trying to breed any female he suspects might be open.
If her were human, he would be big trouble! :)

Heather

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: [Alpacasite] Color question

David,

I don't know for certain but I'd speculate that it is a genetic "sport" and
that is how we obtain new patterns in the genes we have. It has occurred in
some other species and is, as you mention, rather common in a variety of
other animals.like cats, horses, goats, etc.

Think of it as a part of the color patterns described as "agouti". There
are other patterns I've not often seen in alpacas that are seen in many
other species..dilutes and such. I guess that if we don't select against
all the colors, we can look forward to some genetic variation occurring over
time that will offer us all types of other patterns colors, mixtures.if
we're lucky.

Not a geneticist.but a happy spinner who loves, spots, dots, heathery
mixtures.

Allison Moss-Fritch

New Moon Alpacas

Santa Clara, CA

From: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of David Friedman
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 11:15 AM
To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Alpacasite] Color question

Recently, while color-checking an alpaca for a show, I saw something I
had never before seen: A white alpaca with black roots to the
individual hairs. Not the skin, but the roots. Has anyone ever seen
this before and, if so, any ideas about what might explain this
phenomenon. I might expect to see this sort of "discoloration" in a
human who had ingested some sort of heavy metal. Of course, one sees
this phenomenon all of the time in striped cats, etc.

Dave

--
David and Esther Friedman
Adirondack Alpacas
"From the Womb to the Loom"
Remsen, NY
www.newyorkalpacas.com
315-831-3040

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Sent to Alpaca site...held, not posted by site...

Richard,
Like any other business there are many paths to success. All involve
dedication and hard work. One only need look a the rate of attrition in
any other small business (restaurants spring to mind) to know it isn't
easy nor guaranteed. The US is full of successful businesses fullfilling a niche. My stance is that we ignore the multi million dollar cottage industry at our peril.

You are obviously comfortable dismissing successful models out of hand.
Folks who are selling their fleeces (from whatever species)at profitable levels. Folks selling high quality alpaca products at a price point that illustrates that consumers will pay top dollar for quality... And you obviously have an opinion on a successful model for the US alpaca industry. We are all ready to read your suggestions and model for success in the US market.

Please illuminate us.

Blue Skies
Jennifer Powers
Aero Ranch Suri Alpacas
Browns Valley, CA

--- On Sat, 11/22/08, suekodu <humhojl120@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: suekodu <humhojl120@hotmail.com>
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Sent to Alpaca site...held, not posted by site...
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 9:04 AM

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com, Jennifer J Powers <jpowers@... >

wrote:

>

> Richard,

>

> a cursory look at the US marino sheep world will show you a large

> group of very successful individual sheep ranches that each have

> found their own niche. While on a wholesale level wool is nearly

> worthless these ranchers sell their product at a profitable price

and

> they sell it before shearing day. One such ranch is just down the

road

> from me.

>

>

>

> The current US alpaca market has been built on a breeders model

> as there weren't enough alpacas to supply any level of "fleece

market".

> We are in the process of transitioning to multiple levels and

> models. This is simply reality.

>

>

>

> My question to you at this point is are you here to help or are you

> simply interested in nay saying? There are successful models to

> follow. Thus far many alpaca breeders have simply been waiting for

> someone else to make it happen. It's time to do it for ourselves.

>

>

>

> Blue Skies

>

> Jennifer Powers

>

> Aero Ranch Suri Alpacas

1) Actually a cursory look suggests that the US Merino sheep world is

limited to a small group: there are only some 115 registered breeders

(source: American And Delaine-Merino Record Association) . I suspect

the net economics of fiber production, processing and sale for these

Merino owners won't be that much different from the alpaca figures I

quoted.

At least Merino producers have to outlay considerably less capital in

acquiring the sheep, compared to alpacas, and they can add value too

by the sale of lamb as meat.

In any event, whether or not some of these few breeders have found a

profitable niche outlet, clearly their small model can't be

translated to every US alpaca farmer, with 4581 registered AOBA

breeders, so as to avoid the reality of the US wholesale price,

influenced as it is by the worldwide market for alpaca fiber and

other specialist fiber.

2) There is already a world market for alpaca fiber, it's just that

it's mainly supplied by South America, so the "breeders model"

argument for the US – multiplying herd numbers until there are

enough alpacas to supply some larger market – isn't convincing. In

fact, with respect, you have said yourself not to look for success

in large scale wholesale outlets.

3) I am interested in helping by trying to establish, and discuss,

the realistic prospects for the alpaca industry, supported by

rational and verifiable data. In that way, hopefully fellow

contributors to forums like this can explore together what successful

model(s) there may or may not be, and make informed choices about

how/whether to be involved in the industry.

Richard

Maidstone Kent

UK










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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Sent to Alpaca site...held, not posted by site...

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer J Powers <jpowers@...>
wrote:
>
> Richard,
>
> a cursory look at the US marino sheep world will show you a large
> group of very successful individual  sheep ranches that each have
> found their own niche. While on a wholesale level wool is nearly
> worthless these ranchers sell their product at a profitable price
and
> they sell it before shearing day. One such ranch is just down the
road
> from me.
>
>
>
> The current US alpaca market has been built on a breeders model 
> as there weren't enough alpacas to supply any level of "fleece
market".
> We are in the process of transitioning to multiple levels and
> models.  This is simply reality.
>
>
>
> My question to you at this point is are you here to help or are you
> simply interested in nay saying?  There are successful models to
> follow. Thus far many alpaca breeders have simply been waiting for
> someone else to make it happen.  It's time to do it for ourselves.
>
>
>
> Blue Skies
>
> Jennifer Powers
>
> Aero Ranch Suri Alpacas

1) Actually a cursory look suggests that the US Merino sheep world is
limited to a small group: there are only some 115 registered breeders
(source: American And Delaine-Merino Record Association). I suspect
the net economics of fiber production, processing and sale for these
Merino owners won't be that much different from the alpaca figures I
quoted.

At least Merino producers have to outlay considerably less capital in
acquiring the sheep, compared to alpacas, and they can add value too
by the sale of lamb as meat.

In any event, whether or not some of these few breeders have found a
profitable niche outlet, clearly their small model can't be
translated to every US alpaca farmer, with 4581 registered AOBA
breeders, so as to avoid the reality of the US wholesale price,
influenced as it is by the worldwide market for alpaca fiber and
other specialist fiber.

2) There is already a world market for alpaca fiber, it's just that
it's mainly supplied by South America, so the "breeders model"
argument for the US – multiplying herd numbers until there are
enough alpacas to supply some larger market – isn't convincing. In
fact, with respect, you have said yourself not to look for success
in large scale wholesale outlets.

3) I am interested in helping by trying to establish, and discuss,
the realistic prospects for the alpaca industry, supported by
rational and verifiable data. In that way, hopefully fellow
contributors to forums like this can explore together what successful
model(s) there may or may not be, and make informed choices about
how/whether to be involved in the industry.

Richard
Maidstone Kent
UK

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