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Sunday, March 21, 2010

RE: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 

I understand all of the milk replacer negativity.  I would not give to our crias, I would give whole cows milk, cream and yogurt to our crias.  However, when on a budget and raising goats, if you have a good kid milk replacer mixed with 60-70% of goats milk, they do wonderful.  Kids are not crias and development is different, kids are weaned at around 3 months by their moms; crias around 6+ months;  That is a big difference in development.  If you are replacing 100%, I would recommend a different recipe that a goat producer  for many years has formulated.  Again this is for goats.   I have not had to use it but if I had to, I would trust Coni's formula as many other goat producers have.   She knows her stuff.  Everyone has there own preferences so I will not debate what is best.  If it works for you, don't change it.  
Peggy
 
Coni's formula

single batch
1 cup dry powdered milk
3 cup water
1/4 cup whipping cream
1 large egg
3 heaping teaspoons of cultured yogurt
 
 
 

Daniel and Peggy Emmerich
EnchantedMeadows Alpacas & Goats
9357 CTY RD O
Wausau WI 54401
715.675.0584
www.enchantedmeadows.com



 

To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
From: alpacatalk@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:38:58 -0700
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 
I tried milk replacer with my wall baby last year, and it could have been a bad sequence of events and coincidences, but I nearly lost her to heat stroke and dehydration during a heat wave last summer while she was on the replacer. I switched to whole cows milk with whipping cream and live yogurt, and it did take a while for her to gain the weight she lost, but I'll never mess around with replacers again. While it was more convenient, it was not more economical by any means, and if you lose a baby, it makes no sense at all.

And, even though it is not as effective as fresh colostrum, I will give reconstituted powdered bovine colostrum to any cria we think needs it. In the bovine studies I've read, while immunity is not as high as those who receive fresh, some is better than nothing, and those with the lower IgG did not show greater mortality than those who received fresh colostrum, who had the higher IgG values.


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Mar 21, 2010, at 5:25 AM, Ellie Winslow wrote:


Goats actually do better on store bought cow milk than any of the replacers.  Or fresh if you have a trusted source of raw cow milk. 
 
Ellie (who has 35 years experience of raising goats and is author of the definitive goat book)

Marketing Workshops, Books, blog/free newsletter & consulting: 
Growing Your Rural Business: From the Inside Out 
Marketing Farm Products: and How to Thrive Beyond the Sidewalk
Economy Proofing Rural Business
Making Money With Goats 


--- On Sun, 3/21/10, Daniel Emmerich <enchantedmeadows@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Daniel Emmerich <enchantedmeadows@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?
To: alpacatalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 7:05 AM



I have mixed kid milk replacer with mom's milk and they all did fine.  Make the change slowly with adding the milk replacer now, before you run out of moms milk.    It stretches moms milk out and if you start milking 3x a day, it will not be a big deal when she supplies to all.  
 
I hope that helps.  Peggy. 

Daniel and Peggy Emmerich 
EnchantedMeadows Alpacas & Goats 
9357 CTY RD O 
Wausau WI 54401 
715.675.0584 
www.enchantedmeadows.com



 
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
From: alpacameadows@aol.com
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:34:19 -0400
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 
My first timer nubian goat, had triplets, she did reject them, but i'm milking her 2 times a day, and feeding the  kids. She only gives about 1/2 gal. of milk per day,  which i mix with some frozen milk, I had last year, from another goat.  BUT now i'm running out of the frozen milk. And wondering what I  can mix with  moms milk, so there is enough, for each day.  the kids are  a week old, and doing very good,  i'm feeding them at 8:00 12:30, 5:30 and the last feeding at 10:00 at night.  That has been working pretty good.  Should I mix moms milk with kid replacer? I sure hate to change things (formula). But when you run out, you have to do something!  any suggestions?
                                                         Carolyn
 
5395 w. 1275 s
Cedar City, Utah. 84720
phone # 435-865-2697
Fax # 435-865-1225
Cell # 435-233-0636 
email Meadowsranch435@ aol.com
website www.freewebs. com/meadowsranch



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[AlpacaTalk] RE: what to use

 

I buy goat's milk at the grocery store for my kiddos (the 2 legged
variety). Seems like that would be the best replacement! I have even
been able to find some dry powdered goat's milk, and there is also
canned goat's milk - like evaporated milk in a can.
I won't use cow's milk except when I am lucky enough to find a source
for raw. I have raised my children on goat's milk and they are never
ever sick - not ever! The stuff if fantastic. I have been trying for
2 yrs to get enough money and/or help together to get fencing done so I
can get a couple of diary goats in here myself!

Congrats on the triplets! You certainly have your hands full; I don't
envy the bottle feeding.

Warmly, JaniceElizabeth in NW GA
PS What goat list are you on? I need to join one and start educating
myself *before* I get the goats instead of after which is what I usually
end up doing!

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posted by Chaddo at 6:42 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 

I tried milk replacer with my wall baby last year, and it could have been a bad sequence of events and coincidences, but I nearly lost her to heat stroke and dehydration during a heat wave last summer while she was on the replacer. I switched to whole cows milk with whipping cream and live yogurt, and it did take a while for her to gain the weight she lost, but I'll never mess around with replacers again. While it was more convenient, it was not more economical by any means, and if you lose a baby, it makes no sense at all.


And, even though it is not as effective as fresh colostrum, I will give reconstituted powdered bovine colostrum to any cria we think needs it. In the bovine studies I've read, while immunity is not as high as those who receive fresh, some is better than nothing, and those with the lower IgG did not show greater mortality than those who received fresh colostrum, who had the higher IgG values.


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Mar 21, 2010, at 5:25 AM, Ellie Winslow wrote:


Goats actually do better on store bought cow milk than any of the replacers.  Or fresh if you have a trusted source of raw cow milk. 
 
Ellie (who has 35 years experience of raising goats and is author of the definitive goat book)

Marketing Workshops, Books, blog/free newsletter & consulting: 
Growing Your Rural Business: From the Inside Out 
Marketing Farm Products: and How to Thrive Beyond the Sidewalk
Economy Proofing Rural Business
Making Money With Goats 


--- On Sun, 3/21/10, Daniel Emmerich <enchantedmeadows@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Daniel Emmerich <enchantedmeadows@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?
To: alpacatalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 7:05 AM



I have mixed kid milk replacer with mom's milk and they all did fine.  Make the change slowly with adding the milk replacer now, before you run out of moms milk.    It stretches moms milk out and if you start milking 3x a day, it will not be a big deal when she supplies to all.  
 
I hope that helps.  Peggy. 

Daniel and Peggy Emmerich 
EnchantedMeadows Alpacas & Goats 
9357 CTY RD O 
Wausau WI 54401 
715.675.0584 
www.enchantedmeadows.com



 
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
From: alpacameadows@aol.com
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:34:19 -0400
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 
My first timer nubian goat, had triplets, she did reject them, but i'm milking her 2 times a day, and feeding the  kids. She only gives about 1/2 gal. of milk per day,  which i mix with some frozen milk, I had last year, from another goat.  BUT now i'm running out of the frozen milk. And wondering what I  can mix with  moms milk, so there is enough, for each day.  the kids are  a week old, and doing very good,  i'm feeding them at 8:00 12:30, 5:30 and the last feeding at 10:00 at night.  That has been working pretty good.  Should I mix moms milk with kid replacer? I sure hate to change things (formula). But when you run out, you have to do something!  any suggestions?
                                                         Carolyn
 
5395 w. 1275 s
Cedar City, Utah. 84720
phone # 435-865-2697
Fax # 435-865-1225
Cell # 435-233-0636 
email Meadowsranch435@ aol.com
website www.freewebs. com/meadowsranch

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posted by Chaddo at 4:38 PM 0 comments

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 

Goats actually do better on store bought cow milk than any of the replacers.  Or fresh if you have a trusted source of raw cow milk. 
 
Ellie (who has 35 years experience of raising goats and is author of the definitive goat book)

Marketing Workshops, Books, blog/free newsletter & consulting:
Growing Your Rural Business: From the Inside Out
Marketing Farm Products: and How to Thrive Beyond the Sidewalk
Economy Proofing Rural Business
Making Money With Goats


--- On Sun, 3/21/10, Daniel Emmerich <enchantedmeadows@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Daniel Emmerich <enchantedmeadows@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?
To: alpacatalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 7:05 AM



I have mixed kid milk replacer with mom's milk and they all did fine.  Make the change slowly with adding the milk replacer now, before you run out of moms milk.    It stretches moms milk out and if you start milking 3x a day, it will not be a big deal when she supplies to all. 
 
I hope that helps.  Peggy.

Daniel and Peggy Emmerich
EnchantedMeadows Alpacas & Goats
9357 CTY RD O
Wausau WI 54401
715.675.0584
www.enchantedmeadows.com



 
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
From: alpacameadows@aol.com
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:34:19 -0400
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 
My first timer nubian goat, had triplets, she did reject them, but i'm milking her 2 times a day, and feeding the  kids. She only gives about 1/2 gal. of milk per day,  which i mix with some frozen milk, I had last year, from another goat.  BUT now i'm running out of the frozen milk. And wondering what I  can mix with  moms milk, so there is enough, for each day.  the kids are  a week old, and doing very good,  i'm feeding them at 8:00 12:30, 5:30 and the last feeding at 10:00 at night.  That has been working pretty good.  Should I mix moms milk with kid replacer? I sure hate to change things (formula). But when you run out, you have to do something!  any suggestions?
                                                         Carolyn
 
5395 w. 1275 s
Cedar City, Utah. 84720
phone # 435-865-2697
Fax # 435-865-1225
Cell # 435-233-0636
email Meadowsranch435@ aol.com
website www.freewebs. com/meadowsranch


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posted by Chaddo at 5:25 AM 0 comments

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 

I have mixed kid milk replacer with mom's milk and they all did fine.  Make the change slowly with adding the milk replacer now, before you run out of moms milk.    It stretches moms milk out and if you start milking 3x a day, it will not be a big deal when she supplies to all. 
 
I hope that helps.  Peggy.

Daniel and Peggy Emmerich
EnchantedMeadows Alpacas & Goats
9357 CTY RD O
Wausau WI 54401
715.675.0584
www.enchantedmeadows.com



 

To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
From: alpacameadows@aol.com
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:34:19 -0400
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 
My first timer nubian goat, had triplets, she did reject them, but i'm milking her 2 times a day, and feeding the  kids. She only gives about 1/2 gal. of milk per day,  which i mix with some frozen milk, I had last year, from another goat.  BUT now i'm running out of the frozen milk. And wondering what I  can mix with  moms milk, so there is enough, for each day.  the kids are  a week old, and doing very good,  i'm feeding them at 8:00 12:30, 5:30 and the last feeding at 10:00 at night.  That has been working pretty good.  Should I mix moms milk with kid replacer? I sure hate to change things (formula). But when you run out, you have to do something!  any suggestions?
                                                         Carolyn
 
5395 w. 1275 s
Cedar City, Utah. 84720
phone # 435-865-2697
Fax # 435-865-1225
Cell # 435-233-0636
email Meadowsranch435@aol.com
website www.freewebs.com/meadowsranch



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posted by Chaddo at 5:05 AM 0 comments