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Re: [AlpacaTalk] The more i research the more upsetting

 

Sorry, my response was sent before I could finish...

You are welcome to come out to the market sometime and see the kinds of products that people buy, or visit the mill and see just how alpaca fibre can become luxury products. We are lucky here in Canada - because we've never had the tax advantage that our friends in the US have we've had to move to a fibre and product focused market and we have a number of mill options that many farms in the US don't. Getting together with other breeders and sharing resources, sharing ideas, coming up with some cool things that can define your brand - these are all the elements that bring success.

I wish you all the best, and never let anyone discourage you from going for your dream.
Dar Long
Serenity Suris/Canadian Alpaca Products
www.canadianalpacaproducts.com
Ontario


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 8:24 PM, cateyes221981 <steven0095@hotmail.com> wrote:
 

I keep researching but people keep telling me things like "i would stay away from alpacas I got 3 for 500. Very sad i love these animals so beautiful and cute. But it seems to be the truth.

THings like beef cattle or diary are things that just never go out. I wish i could have some alpaca herd but it just does not seem realistic. WHat a dream though wow. Maybe just a small herd? I still will continue to research the ontario area to see the demand but even in my area it looks like no demand anymore.

JJ


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Re: [AlpacaTalk] The more i research the more upsetting

 

I agree Darlene!     We're in the process of selling a high quality male to an Ontario farm......considerably more than $500.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Darlene Long <darlong@gmail.com>
To: AlpacaTalk <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:14 pm
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] The more i research the more upsetting

 
Really?

I'm in Ontario. I've had a herd of Suris and agisted huacayas for 8 years. I am part of a Breeder's Collective that teaches skirting, sorting, shearing and herd health to farmers. We work together to process our fibre and create products that are sold at our shows and at our St. Jacob's Farmer's Market store. Part of our group includes a fibre mill - and we can't buy enough fibre from across Canada to keep up with the demand for alpaca socks and our hand painted sock yarn. One of our members has just had a 100 yard run of Suri fabric done, and has a designer interested in using it. Her second run is almost ready. We are investigating having high end mens ties made from the fabric. We are about to start dyeing our specialty sock yarn in spring colours. The requests for shows for 2013 are rolling in.

I guess my point is this:

An alpaca is not an ATM.

You don't put hay in one end and have money come out the other. Like every business it takes marketing, creativity and hard work. The business model that works is the one that utilizes the renewable product from the alpaca - the fibre. Don't start off with an idea that the income will come from selling animals. That's what I tell the 3 or 4 people a week who contact me about buying alpacas. The money is in the fibre... producing high end goods and getting them to market. There are several groups in Ontario doing this, if you rely on animal sales as your revenue stream then you are raising pets or hobby stock. I am excited because the market is really starting to take off. Not the livestock market - selling an alpaca or two occasionally to the right person is a bonus.

Dar Long
Serenity Suris

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 8:24 PM, cateyes221981 <steven0095@hotmail.com> wrote:
 
I keep researching but people keep telling me things like "i would stay away from alpacas I got 3 for 500. Very sad i love these animals so beautiful and cute. But it seems to be the truth.

THings like beef cattle or diary are things that just never go out. I wish i could have some alpaca herd but it just does not seem realistic. WHat a dream though wow. Maybe just a small herd? I still will continue to research the ontario area to see the demand but even in my area it looks like no demand anymore.

JJ


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Re: [AlpacaTalk] The more i research the more upsetting

 

Really?

I'm in Ontario. I've had a herd of Suris and agisted huacayas for 8 years. I am part of a Breeder's Collective that teaches skirting, sorting, shearing and herd health to farmers. We work together to process our fibre and create products that are sold at our shows and at our St. Jacob's Farmer's Market store. Part of our group includes a fibre mill - and we can't buy enough fibre from across Canada to keep up with the demand for alpaca socks and our hand painted sock yarn. One of our members has just had a 100 yard run of Suri fabric done, and has a designer interested in using it. Her second run is almost ready. We are investigating having high end mens ties made from the fabric. We are about to start dyeing our specialty sock yarn in spring colours. The requests for shows for 2013 are rolling in.

I guess my point is this:

An alpaca is not an ATM.

You don't put hay in one end and have money come out the other. Like every business it takes marketing, creativity and hard work. The business model that works is the one that utilizes the renewable product from the alpaca - the fibre. Don't start off with an idea that the income will come from selling animals. That's what I tell the 3 or 4 people a week who contact me about buying alpacas. The money is in the fibre... producing high end goods and getting them to market. There are several groups in Ontario doing this, if you rely on animal sales as your revenue stream then you are raising pets or hobby stock. I am excited because the market is really starting to take off. Not the livestock market - selling an alpaca or two occasionally to the right person is a bonus.

Dar Long
Serenity Suris

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 8:24 PM, cateyes221981 <steven0095@hotmail.com> wrote:
 

I keep researching but people keep telling me things like "i would stay away from alpacas I got 3 for 500. Very sad i love these animals so beautiful and cute. But it seems to be the truth.

THings like beef cattle or diary are things that just never go out. I wish i could have some alpaca herd but it just does not seem realistic. WHat a dream though wow. Maybe just a small herd? I still will continue to research the ontario area to see the demand but even in my area it looks like no demand anymore.

JJ


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[AlpacaTalk] Re: The more i research the more upsetting

 

JJ

Who have you been talking with and what are your goals for your herd? Ontario has a very active alpaca community; I'm surprised to hear that people are turning you away.

Lee Kalwat
Serenity Suris
Southern Ontario

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Heather Zeleny wrote:
>
> I do think there is a huge market for high end products. And when
> people start making these products, and word really gets around that
> alpaca is a wonderful luxury fiber, and of course after we get out of
> this recession/depression, then things will improve. I maintain that
> a lot of the problem is with the economy.
>
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> White Lotus Alpacas
> Creswell, OR
>
> 541.895.0964
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com
> http://whitelotus.openherd.com
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
> AlpacaTalk on Facebook!
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/272335339495769/
>
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2013, at 5:24 PM, cateyes221981 wrote:
>
> > I keep researching but people keep telling me things like "i would
> > stay away from alpacas I got 3 for 500. Very sad i love these
> > animals so beautiful and cute. But it seems to be the truth.
> >
> > THings like beef cattle or diary are things that just never go out.
> > I wish i could have some alpaca herd but it just does not seem
> > realistic. WHat a dream though wow. Maybe just a small herd? I
> > still will continue to research the ontario area to see the demand
> > but even in my area it looks like no demand anymore.
> >
> > JJ
> >
> >
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] The more i research the more upsetting

 

I do think there is a huge market for high end products. And when people start making these products, and word really gets around that alpaca is a wonderful luxury fiber, and of course after we get out of this recession/depression, then things will improve. I maintain that a lot of the problem is with the economy.



Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Creswell, OR

541.895.0964

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece


On Jan 9, 2013, at 5:24 PM, cateyes221981 wrote:

 

I keep researching but people keep telling me things like "i would stay away from alpacas I got 3 for 500. Very sad i love these animals so beautiful and cute. But it seems to be the truth.

THings like beef cattle or diary are things that just never go out. I wish i could have some alpaca herd but it just does not seem realistic. WHat a dream though wow. Maybe just a small herd? I still will continue to research the ontario area to see the demand but even in my area it looks like no demand anymore.

JJ


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[AlpacaTalk] The more i research the more upsetting

 

I keep researching but people keep telling me things like "i would stay away from alpacas I got 3 for 500. Very sad i love these animals so beautiful and cute. But it seems to be the truth.

THings like beef cattle or diary are things that just never go out. I wish i could have some alpaca herd but it just does not seem realistic. WHat a dream though wow. Maybe just a small herd? I still will continue to research the ontario area to see the demand but even in my area it looks like no demand anymore.

JJ

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Re: good business choice?

 

Ok I know of them.......thought it was something new.Thanks,Tina

Tina Travis
ElkHorn Alpacas
31655 ElkHorn Glen
Warrenton,MO.63383
636-456-4838
636-459-8930
traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com
Alpacas are a rare treasure to share

From: Heather Zeleny
Sent: ‎1/‎9/‎2013 6:35 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: good business choice?

 

Tina, they are called Coarse Broads. I don't want to imply that they don't make good use of mid grade and coarser fleeces, they do, but the message that most people take away is that fine fleece isn't usable, which is really wrong. 


My breeding goals are to produce the finest fleeced alpacas that I can. And of course, as they age, their fleece will increase in micron, and we need to use that fleece, too.

To everyone, you can find mini mills in your region that will process your fleeces into yarn, batts, rovings or tops, or even felt sheets. Just look them up on google (or your favorite search engine). I have heard of weaving and knitting mills as well.  There are also hand spinners who are more than happy to make yarn out of your fleece. 


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Creswell, OR

541.895.0964

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece


On Jan 9, 2013, at 4:22 PM, Tina Travis wrote:

 

Heather who is the group that promotes mid grade fleece?

Tina Travis
ElkHorn Alpacas
31655 ElkHorn Glen
Warrenton,MO.63383
636-456-4838
636-459-8930
traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com
Alpacas are a rare treasure to share

From: Heather Zeleny
Sent: ‎1/‎9/‎2013 6:02 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: good business choice?

 

All fleece is useful, finer fleece can and (in my opinion) should sell for higher prices than less fine fleeces. There is a group that promotes the mid-grade fleeces, calling them the most versatile, and most useful. Many people have run with that, and have falsely extrapolated that to mean that the ultra-fine fleeces aren't as desirable, or as valuable. This is a huge disservice to the industry, as the ultra-fineness is what sets alpaca apart from most other animal fibers. And, when that ultra-fine fleece is wanted or needed, those coarser grades simply won't do. 


Colors do go into and out of fashion. Silver grey is very popular, and rose grey is all the rage right now. The biggest thing currently is maroon. They say it is very hrd to breed for, but we don't have trouble producing it on our farm.

I will say, yes, always buy registered animals, and if they are breeding quality, definitely register them. I register all of my crias, regardless. And I will also say, buy ARI registered alpacas. I know there are a whole lot of CLAA only registered alpacas, of very high quality and bloodlines, but since they are not ari registered, they sell for less, even in Canada. They can be purchased by people in the US, but they can't be ari registered, and then the market for them here is about nil, about what an unregistered animal will go for.


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Creswell, OR

541.895.0964

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece


On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:39 PM, cateyes221981 wrote:

 


I wondner if the prices dropped in ontario though?

I imagine the key is to buy registered stock.

But giving away alpacas for free and to get them slaughterd is insane.

IS it because the fleece of these ones are of no use or something? are certain alapcas coloring more wanted than others?

With the right alpacas can we make a good living from them? I read silver are what people want?

JJ
--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Heather Zeleny wrote:
>
> I will say that right now is an excellent time to buy. Prices are
> very low, and if you do your research on the industry, bloodlines,
> etc, that you can find very good bargains and build a very nice herd
> for not a lot of money.
>
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> White Lotus Alpacas
> Creswell, OR
>
> 541.895.0964
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com
> http://whitelotus.openherd.com
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
> AlpacaTalk on Facebook!
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/272335339495769/
>
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2013, at 2:43 PM, cateyes221981 wrote:
>
> >
> > oh wow that is scary but people in america are still purchasing and
> > importing all sorts of expensive dogs?
> >
> > --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Heather Zeleny wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't have an answer for that question. My best suggestion is to
> > > visit some alpaca farms in your area, you should be able to find
> > some
> > > online.
> > >
> > > I can't speak to the strength of the alpaca industry in Canada,
> > > although I understand you didn't have nearly the impact of the
> > > banking crisis that we experienced in the US, which we are still not
> > > recovered from. So many people have lost jobs, their homes and
> > farms,
> > > alpacas in the US are selling for fire sale prices, and even many
> > > breeders are giving away their animals, and some are slaughtering
> > them.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Heather
> > >
> > > Heather Zeleny
> > > White Lotus Alpacas
> > > Creswell, OR
> > >
> > > 541.895.0964
> > >
> > > Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> > > http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com
> > > http://whitelotus.openherd.com
> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
> > > AlpacaTalk on Facebook!
> > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/272335339495769/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 9, 2013, at 2:12 PM, cateyes221981 wrote:
> > >
> > > > If you love animals and wanted a animal as a career and business
> > > > choice would alpacas be good choice for someone in canada ontario?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>





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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: good business choice?

 

Tina, they are called Coarse Broads. I don't want to imply that they don't make good use of mid grade and coarser fleeces, they do, but the message that most people take away is that fine fleece isn't usable, which is really wrong. 


My breeding goals are to produce the finest fleeced alpacas that I can. And of course, as they age, their fleece will increase in micron, and we need to use that fleece, too.

To everyone, you can find mini mills in your region that will process your fleeces into yarn, batts, rovings or tops, or even felt sheets. Just look them up on google (or your favorite search engine). I have heard of weaving and knitting mills as well.  There are also hand spinners who are more than happy to make yarn out of your fleece. 


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Creswell, OR

541.895.0964

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece


On Jan 9, 2013, at 4:22 PM, Tina Travis wrote:

 

Heather who is the group that promotes mid grade fleece?

Tina Travis
ElkHorn Alpacas
31655 ElkHorn Glen
Warrenton,MO.63383
636-456-4838
636-459-8930
traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com
Alpacas are a rare treasure to share

From: Heather Zeleny
Sent: ‎1/‎9/‎2013 6:02 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: good business choice?

 

All fleece is useful, finer fleece can and (in my opinion) should sell for higher prices than less fine fleeces. There is a group that promotes the mid-grade fleeces, calling them the most versatile, and most useful. Many people have run with that, and have falsely extrapolated that to mean that the ultra-fine fleeces aren't as desirable, or as valuable. This is a huge disservice to the industry, as the ultra-fineness is what sets alpaca apart from most other animal fibers. And, when that ultra-fine fleece is wanted or needed, those coarser grades simply won't do. 


Colors do go into and out of fashion. Silver grey is very popular, and rose grey is all the rage right now. The biggest thing currently is maroon. They say it is very hrd to breed for, but we don't have trouble producing it on our farm.

I will say, yes, always buy registered animals, and if they are breeding quality, definitely register them. I register all of my crias, regardless. And I will also say, buy ARI registered alpacas. I know there are a whole lot of CLAA only registered alpacas, of very high quality and bloodlines, but since they are not ari registered, they sell for less, even in Canada. They can be purchased by people in the US, but they can't be ari registered, and then the market for them here is about nil, about what an unregistered animal will go for.


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Creswell, OR

541.895.0964

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece


On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:39 PM, cateyes221981 wrote:

 


I wondner if the prices dropped in ontario though?

I imagine the key is to buy registered stock.

But giving away alpacas for free and to get them slaughterd is insane.

IS it because the fleece of these ones are of no use or something? are certain alapcas coloring more wanted than others?

With the right alpacas can we make a good living from them? I read silver are what people want?

JJ
--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Heather Zeleny wrote:
>
> I will say that right now is an excellent time to buy. Prices are
> very low, and if you do your research on the industry, bloodlines,
> etc, that you can find very good bargains and build a very nice herd
> for not a lot of money.
>
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> White Lotus Alpacas
> Creswell, OR
>
> 541.895.0964
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com
> http://whitelotus.openherd.com
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
> AlpacaTalk on Facebook!
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/272335339495769/
>
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2013, at 2:43 PM, cateyes221981 wrote:
>
> >
> > oh wow that is scary but people in america are still purchasing and
> > importing all sorts of expensive dogs?
> >
> > --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Heather Zeleny wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't have an answer for that question. My best suggestion is to
> > > visit some alpaca farms in your area, you should be able to find
> > some
> > > online.
> > >
> > > I can't speak to the strength of the alpaca industry in Canada,
> > > although I understand you didn't have nearly the impact of the
> > > banking crisis that we experienced in the US, which we are still not
> > > recovered from. So many people have lost jobs, their homes and
> > farms,
> > > alpacas in the US are selling for fire sale prices, and even many
> > > breeders are giving away their animals, and some are slaughtering
> > them.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Heather
> > >
> > > Heather Zeleny
> > > White Lotus Alpacas
> > > Creswell, OR
> > >
> > > 541.895.0964
> > >
> > > Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> > > http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com
> > > http://whitelotus.openherd.com
> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
> > > AlpacaTalk on Facebook!
> > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/272335339495769/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 9, 2013, at 2:12 PM, cateyes221981 wrote:
> > >
> > > > If you love animals and wanted a animal as a career and business
> > > > choice would alpacas be good choice for someone in canada ontario?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>





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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Re: good business choice?

 

not sure who makes your fiber into products i NEED TO FIND SOMEONE ....

--- On Wed, 1/9/13, Tina Travis <traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Tina Travis <traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] Re: good business choice?
To: "AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com" <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013, 6:22 PM

 

Heather who is the group that promotes mid grade fleece?

Tina Travis
ElkHorn Alpacas
31655 ElkHorn Glen
Warrenton,MO.63383
636-456-4838
636-459-8930
traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com
Alpacas are a rare treasure to share

From: Heather Zeleny
Sent: ‎1/‎9/‎2013 6:02 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: good business choice?

 

All fleece is useful, finer fleece can and (in my opinion) should sell for higher prices than less fine fleeces. There is a group that promotes the mid-grade fleeces, calling them the most versatile, and most useful. Many people have run with that, and have falsely extrapolated that to mean that the ultra-fine fleeces aren't as desirable, or as valuable. This is a huge disservice to the industry, as the ultra-fineness is what sets alpaca apart from most other animal fibers. And, when that ultra-fine fleece is wanted or needed, those coarser grades simply won't do. 


Colors do go into and out of fashion. Silver grey is very popular, and rose grey is all the rage right now. The biggest thing currently is maroon. They say it is very hrd to breed for, but we don't have trouble producing it on our farm.

I will say, yes, always buy registered animals, and if they are breeding quality, definitely register them. I register all of my crias, regardless. And I will also say, buy ARI registered alpacas. I know there are a whole lot of CLAA only registered alpacas, of very high quality and bloodlines, but since they are not ari registered, they sell for less, even in Canada. They can be purchased by people in the US, but they can't be ari registered, and then the market for them here is about nil, about what an unregistered animal will go for.


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Creswell, OR

541.895.0964

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece


On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:39 PM, cateyes221981 wrote:

 


I wondner if the prices dropped in ontario though?

I imagine the key is to buy registered stock.

But giving away alpacas for free and to get them slaughterd is insane.

IS it because the fleece of these ones are of no use or something? are certain alapcas coloring more wanted than others?

With the right alpacas can we make a good living from them? I read silver are what people want?

JJ
--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Heather Zeleny wrote:
>
> I will say that right now is an excellent time to buy. Prices are
> very low, and if you do your research on the industry, bloodlines,
> etc, that you can find very good bargains and build a very nice herd
> for not a lot of money.
>
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> White Lotus Alpacas
> Creswell, OR
>
> 541.895.0964
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com
> http://whitelotus.openherd.com
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> On Jan 9, 2013, at 2:43 PM, cateyes221981 wrote:
>
> >
> > oh wow that is scary but people in america are still purchasing and
> > importing all sorts of expensive dogs?
> >
> > --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Heather Zeleny wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't have an answer for that question. My best suggestion is to
> > > visit some alpaca farms in your area, you should be able to find
> > some
> > > online.
> > >
> > > I can't speak to the strength of the alpaca industry in Canada,
> > > although I understand you didn't have nearly the impact of the
> > > banking crisis that we experienced in the US, which we are still not
> > > recovered from. So many people have lost jobs, their homes and
> > farms,
> > > alpacas in the US are selling for fire sale prices, and even many
> > > breeders are giving away their animals, and some are slaughtering
> > them.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Heather
> > >
> > > Heather Zeleny
> > > White Lotus Alpacas
> > > Creswell, OR
> > >
> > > 541.895.0964
> > >
> > > Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> > > http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com
> > > http://whitelotus.openherd.com
> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
> > > AlpacaTalk on Facebook!
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 9, 2013, at 2:12 PM, cateyes221981 wrote:
> > >
> > > > If you love animals and wanted a animal as a career and business
> > > > choice would alpacas be good choice for someone in canada ontario?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
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