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Re: [AlpacaTalk] BEW- Wendy - cria with red lips



wow and i obviously don't know how to post pictures to email either - i must have triggered the spam police - Sorry!
Wendy
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Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] BEW- Wendy - cria with red lips

hi Rachelle - i've answered you privately as i don't know how to post pictures to the photo section
Wendy
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Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:52 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] BEW- Wendy - cria with red lips

Hi Wendy,
Just trying to get caught up on all my reading, and I am waaayyy behind, but I wanted to let you know that the square pupil and the redness around the lips and nose are not indicative of a BEW.  All pacas have the non round pupil, they are hard to see on darker eyed animals.
And the redness could have been many things, some whites are born and their membranes seem really red compared to your darker animals, but it can mean infection, sunburn.... not BEW :))
Hope you take an objective look before you decide to geld.  If his eyes are darker blue/gray, that is well within the range of 'normal'.  The true "BEW" has those cool icy colored (actually colorless) eyes.
 
I know many, many breeders who have BEW females in their herds.  With all the new knowledge we have the whole BEW freak out seems to be over.
 
I would think about breeding a true BEW male, there is still a stigma out there, and truly- you would have to be very careful in choosing his dates, but I wouldn't hesitate to breed a BEW female nowadays.  I know exactly how to NOT get one again. Think you could post a picture of his eyes in the photo section?
Slainte~
Rachelle
 
 
Black Magic Alpaca Ranch
Honesty, Integrity, Quality
Wyatt & Rachelle Black
P.O. Box 457
6500 Digier Road
Lebec, CA
93243
(661-248-6568)
 
 
 

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] BEW- Wendy - cria with red lips



hi Rachelle - i've answered you privately as i don't know how to post pictures to the photo section
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:52 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] BEW- Wendy - cria with red lips

Hi Wendy,
Just trying to get caught up on all my reading, and I am waaayyy behind, but I wanted to let you know that the square pupil and the redness around the lips and nose are not indicative of a BEW.  All pacas have the non round pupil, they are hard to see on darker eyed animals.
And the redness could have been many things, some whites are born and their membranes seem really red compared to your darker animals, but it can mean infection, sunburn.... not BEW :))
Hope you take an objective look before you decide to geld.  If his eyes are darker blue/gray, that is well within the range of 'normal'.  The true "BEW" has those cool icy colored (actually colorless) eyes.
 
I know many, many breeders who have BEW females in their herds.  With all the new knowledge we have the whole BEW freak out seems to be over.
 
I would think about breeding a true BEW male, there is still a stigma out there, and truly- you would have to be very careful in choosing his dates, but I wouldn't hesitate to breed a BEW female nowadays.  I know exactly how to NOT get one again. Think you could post a picture of his eyes in the photo section?
Slainte~
Rachelle
 
 
Black Magic Alpaca Ranch
Honesty, Integrity, Quality
Wyatt & Rachelle Black
P.O. Box 457
6500 Digier Road
Lebec, CA
93243
(661-248-6568)
 
 
 

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[AlpacaTalk] BEW- Wendy - cria with red lips



Hi Wendy,
Just trying to get caught up on all my reading, and I am waaayyy behind, but I wanted to let you know that the square pupil and the redness around the lips and nose are not indicative of a BEW.  All pacas have the non round pupil, they are hard to see on darker eyed animals.
And the redness could have been many things, some whites are born and their membranes seem really red compared to your darker animals, but it can mean infection, sunburn.... not BEW :))
Hope you take an objective look before you decide to geld.  If his eyes are darker blue/gray, that is well within the range of 'normal'.  The true "BEW" has those cool icy colored (actually colorless) eyes.
 
I know many, many breeders who have BEW females in their herds.  With all the new knowledge we have the whole BEW freak out seems to be over.
 
I would think about breeding a true BEW male, there is still a stigma out there, and truly- you would have to be very careful in choosing his dates, but I wouldn't hesitate to breed a BEW female nowadays.  I know exactly how to NOT get one again. Think you could post a picture of his eyes in the photo section?
Slainte~
Rachelle
 
 
Black Magic Alpaca Ranch
Honesty, Integrity, Quality
Wyatt & Rachelle Black
P.O. Box 457
6500 Digier Road
Lebec, CA
93243
(661-248-6568)
 
 
 

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Cria not getting Milk from Momma



I just want to congratulate you on getting your boy to nurse from his mama! I had a cria born last Friday, who got trapped between a wall and a gate and bonded with the wall. I got out at 8.30am and freed her, and she followed her mama, but absolutely refused to nurse. Mom did/does all she can, and the cria sort of knows that is her mama, but spits when I try to show where the milk is. 


I'm feeding her milk replacer. After doing the milk/cream/yogurt thing for previous crias, I have decided that the Ultra 24 milk replacer by Sav a Caf is the way to go, if you ever have a bottle baby.

Congrats again!
Heather


On Jun 24, 2009, at 1:15 PM, chrystella.volk wrote:



I just want to provide a special thanks to Peggy, Susan O., Laurel, and Susan F. for providing my some guidance during this trying time.

I wanted to provide an update, since the little guy (haven't named him yet) is almost two weeks old. He finally began nursing on the second day and has not given momma a break yet. He is racing around the bonding stall like an indy racer. He has gained 4 pounds since birth and is having normal bowel movements.

I really wanted to say thank you. I don't answer posts because I am so new to alpaca farming and do not have much experience, but I read the posts daily. All of you have taught me a great deal that I had never even read about. So thank you.

Chrys Volk
Suri-nity Meadows Alpaca Farm
Ruggles, OH

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "chrystella.volk" <chrystella.volk@...> wrote:
>
> Hey everyone. Don't know if anyone is online, but sure hoping. I had my first cria born yesterday and I am having problems.
> 
> Cria will not go to mom to nurse. He will try to nurse anything but his mother. I have them isolated, but not a chance. I already took him to the vet and we have him on goats milk, butthe vet said to try to milk as much milk from momma as possible and supplement with goats milk. His sucking is fine. Once I pry his mouth open and get the bottle in, the little guy goes to town on the goat milk.
> 
> Now here comes my problem. Mother does not seem to be producing much milk. I first milked her yesterday and got about 6cc. Evertime after that very little, not even measurable. I am hoping it is my milking technique, but don't really think so. I would have thought 24 hours after the birth that her teats would have been engorged. They are not and now she fights when I try to milk her.
> 
> Any advise is welcome. Please.
> 
> Chrys Volk
> Suri-nity Meadows Alpaca Farm
>


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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Cria not getting Milk from Momma



I just want to provide a special thanks to Peggy, Susan O., Laurel, and Susan F. for providing my some guidance during this trying time.

I wanted to provide an update, since the little guy (haven't named him yet) is almost two weeks old. He finally began nursing on the second day and has not given momma a break yet. He is racing around the bonding stall like an indy racer. He has gained 4 pounds since birth and is having normal bowel movements.

I really wanted to say thank you. I don't answer posts because I am so new to alpaca farming and do not have much experience, but I read the posts daily. All of you have taught me a great deal that I had never even read about. So thank you.

Chrys Volk
Suri-nity Meadows Alpaca Farm
Ruggles, OH

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "chrystella.volk" <chrystella.volk@...> wrote:
>
> Hey everyone. Don't know if anyone is online, but sure hoping. I had my first cria born yesterday and I am having problems.
>
> Cria will not go to mom to nurse. He will try to nurse anything but his mother. I have them isolated, but not a chance. I already took him to the vet and we have him on goats milk, butthe vet said to try to milk as much milk from momma as possible and supplement with goats milk. His sucking is fine. Once I pry his mouth open and get the bottle in, the little guy goes to town on the goat milk.
>
> Now here comes my problem. Mother does not seem to be producing much milk. I first milked her yesterday and got about 6cc. Evertime after that very little, not even measurable. I am hoping it is my milking technique, but don't really think so. I would have thought 24 hours after the birth that her teats would have been engorged. They are not and now she fights when I try to milk her.
>
> Any advise is welcome. Please.
>
> Chrys Volk
> Suri-nity Meadows Alpaca Farm
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Choanal Atresia



Alright, you armchair psychoanalysts out there... I react strongly to
accusations because I was constantly punished for crap my sister did
when we were kids. The method, learned by my father in the military,
was to punish everyone so the real perp would either fess up or be
dealt with by the other recruits. Well, my sister was 2 years older,
so I couldn't exactly take care of the problem myself. And she never
confessed to anything.

So there ya go. I really dislike all of your smug finger pointing,
too. "Oh she must have something to hide, then."

There really is no room for this behavior on this forum. Period.

Please mind yourselves.
Heather

On Jun 23, 2009, at 10:50 PM, cedargrovealpacas@comcast.net wrote:

> I am not sure of the story behind it all, but the way your protest
> these things

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] not BEW



Ok, how about this example? I know of a yearling male, nearly two years old. From a very famous sire. Has a pretty noticable wry mouth. Has placed very well at halter shows, including 2 blue ribbons at level 5 shows under big name "influential" judges. Now, why is this animal placing at all? Sure, his teeth line up properly to his dental pad, but aren't the judges supposed to be looking at more than that?

Of course, if the judges reward animals with serious defects such as this, why not breed him? Surely he wouldn't have done so well at shows if there was something wrong with him, right?

Heather


On Jun 24, 2009, at 1:41 AM, Bluebird Hills Farm wrote:



A thought on how one might protect themselves...

I mentioned that in our stud service contract we ask the owner of the dam to state that the dam is not related to, nor has any progeny with defects.

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] BEW



I think that's an excellent idea. Laurel. That is a standard clause in breeding contracts, the dam owner certifies that she has never produced a cria with congenital defects, etc., etc. I agree, the sire owner should certify the same for their sire.


However, congenital doesn't mean genetic. 

But, I just remembered another breeder who had a paid breeding from someone I know. They wrote to tell this person that the cria had bilateral CA. Sire owner and I were shocked. We later find out that this is the 3rd CA cria from this dam. So now what?

Heather


On Jun 24, 2009, at 1:41 AM, Bluebird Hills Farm wrote:



A thought on how one might protect themselves...

I mentioned that in our stud service contract we ask the owner of the dam to state that the dam is not related to, nor has any progeny with defects.

There is no reason why you, as a buyer of stud services, could not ask the person selling the breeding to sign a statement that their male has never sired a cria with defects, nor are they aware of any progeny or ancestors having done so,

Full disclosure on the part of both parties involved might be a good thing for all??? If a cria is born with a defect and it turns out that this is not a first for that male, then there could be some serious legal ramifications if the dam owner wanted to go down that path. Balking at signing such an agreement might be a red flag to the stud service buyer.  I would view this as an ounce of prevention being better than a pound of cure and would at least convey how serious you are about keeping defects out of your program/

Laurel

The Shouvlins 
Bluebird Hills Farm 
Springfield, Ohio 
937-206-3936 
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Choanal Atresia



Sorry, I couldn't be bothered to read your entire volume here, but to reply to your example of me buying a sire that had produced a CA cria in the past. I would most certainly go back to the breeder that I bought the sire from.


I would NOT raise hell if a sire of mine produced a cria with CA. If it happened, it happened and I wouldn't try to hide the truth. I would look at both the dam and sire's family histories and research to try to find any other CA crias from either parent's lines. Because sometimes, it really can be an environmental cause.

I do not raise hell when the truth is reported. I do raise hell when my character and integrity are questioned. Does everyone understand the difference? Good lord this is tiresome. And I'm sure you are well qualified to make judgments on the reasons for my responses to not so innocent smart-ass remarks pointed at me.

Best regards,
Heather


On Jun 23, 2009, at 10:50 PM, cedargrovealpacas@comcast.net wrote:




Heather;

 

Here are a couple things for you to look at, and even answer if you are up to it........ I invite you to do so...

 

I think you blew Jim's question WAY out of proportion. I didn't see this as an attack at all. He was MERELY asking you something. You took it to the other side of the earth. I, too, agree that this whole thing is beat to the ground. Especially when someone comes back with the comments trying to make blank and ridiculous childish points such as "So does that mean that because this animal of this color was born with this problem that has nothing to do with genetics, that therefore the color will always throw it?" Really?? Excuse me while I go find a sharp object to throw myself onto. It just shows how much some people could care less about others' programs, or what they sell others.

 

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