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Sunday, April 04, 2010

Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re:Todays AOBA Update - Alpacas Magazine Update

 

I prefer to have a copy I can carry.  I can't tell you how many times I have shown it to people interested in alpacas or someone has commented on the cute cria on the cover.  We need this magazine and I really hope it succeeds!
 
BTW - you can just subscribe to it through AOBA.
 
SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA
http://www.openherd.com/FarmPage.aspx?Farm=433

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re:Todays AOBA Update - Alpacas Magazine Update

 

I do not understand much of this conversation, remember I am new, and don't know about AOBA politics.  I don't even have my Alpacas yet.  I can hardly wait.

I just was wondering why there isn't an Alpaca mag--or is there, and I just don't know--that you can just subscribe to?

I am a regular columnist for the IG Times, which is an Italian Greyhound Magazine, and of course there are ads from readers and so forth which pay for it, along with the subscriptions. 

I think that almost all dog breeds have their own publications, and I would have assumed that Alpacas do likewise. 

Some are better than others, of course. 

I am just trying to understand what the system is for Alpacas.

Oh, and, for the person who likes print media--yes, so do it.  I much prefer it.

Catherine Fitch
FaerieSpun
111 County Line Drive
Fairview, West Virginia  26570


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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re:Todays AOBA Update - Alpacas Magazine Update

 

Well, a word about online magazines: 

I received a subscription for Scientific American digital edition for my birthday, after having let my subscription lapse for a few years. I can download all issues to my computer, all the way back to 1993! I have many years in print, and yes, I save them all. But the ones I don't have, I'm downloading. Granted, we are lucky to have dsl. Not all rural properties have high speed or moderate speed internet service, but my issues of SciAm are around only 2 MB each. Not too bad! So if SciAm can make their copies only 2mb, surely AM can do it, and so it wouldn't be too problematic for all members to download and access at their leisure on their comptuter, or to print if they prefer printed media.


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Apr 4, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Susan Forman wrote:


Brad and all:
 
 I know that a lot of people prefer on-line publications, but I'm not one of them. I like print media. I can carry it with me to places like Dr's. offices and other 'wait' type situations. I can carry it to my loft, in front of the TV, outside, to bed, on a plane, when I do overnight visits out of town, etc.....I like printed on paper media, Alpacas Magazine being a favorite. I don't like reading lots of text from a computer screen. It's hard on my eyes and I have difficulty focusing. I may be in the minority, but I think we need to recognize that there is still a place for printed media in our world and that some folks (me) will always prefer it over a computer screen. If the Mag goes on line, I just hope there remains an option for the print version. It's also fairly easy to give printed media away if you care to do that...if nothing else, it promotes good will with the recipient, though admittedly, I don't give my Alpacas Magazines away, but it could be an option one of these days when I run out of space.......
 
Susan
 
Susan Forman
Dewey Morning Alpacas
Washington Court House, OH 43160
740-636-1899
http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
Home of Huey, Louie, and Dewey!
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 8:29 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re:Todays AOBA Update - Alpacas Magazine Update

 

I agree this e-mail blast was in bad taste. Typical in todays political 
climate however. Don't tell the poor to spend more just balance your 
books. Why do they even print this mag for the members? An online 
version password protected with each member getting a password would be 
fine! If you don't have the money you don't have the money. I would much 
rather have it all online. It's the only mag I even get any longer in 
the mail. Check out the link to the format of this mag.
http://www.epageflip.net/title/4505

Brad Hamilton
Zenith Alpacas

Susan Forman
Dewey Morning Alpacas
Washington Court House, OH 43160
740-636-1899
http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
Home of Huey, Louie, and Dewey!


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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re:Todays AOBA Update - Alpacas Magazine Update

 

Brad and all:
 
 I know that a lot of people prefer on-line publications, but I'm not one of them. I like print media. I can carry it with me to places like Dr's. offices and other 'wait' type situations. I can carry it to my loft, in front of the TV, outside, to bed, on a plane, when I do overnight visits out of town, etc.....I like printed on paper media, Alpacas Magazine being a favorite. I don't like reading lots of text from a computer screen. It's hard on my eyes and I have difficulty focusing. I may be in the minority, but I think we need to recognize that there is still a place for printed media in our world and that some folks (me) will always prefer it over a computer screen. If the Mag goes on line, I just hope there remains an option for the print version. It's also fairly easy to give printed media away if you care to do that...if nothing else, it promotes good will with the recipient, though admittedly, I don't give my Alpacas Magazines away, but it could be an option one of these days when I run out of space.......
 
Susan
 
Susan Forman
Dewey Morning Alpacas
Washington Court House, OH 43160
740-636-1899
http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
Home of Huey, Louie, and Dewey!
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 8:29 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re:Todays AOBA Update - Alpacas Magazine Update

 

I agree this e-mail blast was in bad taste. Typical in todays political
climate however. Don't tell the poor to spend more just balance your
books. Why do they even print this mag for the members? An online
version password protected with each member getting a password would be
fine! If you don't have the money you don't have the money. I would much
rather have it all online. It's the only mag I even get any longer in
the mail. Check out the link to the format of this mag.
http://www.epageflip.net/title/4505

Brad Hamilton
Zenith Alpacas

Susan Forman
Dewey Morning Alpacas
Washington Court House, OH 43160
740-636-1899
http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
Home of Huey, Louie, and Dewey!

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[AlpacaTalk] Re:Todays AOBA Update - Alpacas Magazine Update

 

I agree this e-mail blast was in bad taste. Typical in todays political
climate however. Don't tell the poor to spend more just balance your
books. Why do they even print this mag for the members? An online
version password protected with each member getting a password would be
fine! If you don't have the money you don't have the money. I would much
rather have it all online. It's the only mag I even get any longer in
the mail. Check out the link to the format of this mag.
http://www.epageflip.net/title/4505

Brad Hamilton
Zenith Alpacas

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Wooded lots

 

The first year we had alpacas their security fenced area included a hillside covered with Cedars (hence the farm name). My guys loved it and were in there all the time! It was shady and cool and Kansas is typically pretty hot. Even into the fall and winter they spent lots of time in there rubbing themselves on the cedar branches. That year I had a young yearling male I wanted to show with exceptionally dense fiber and an exceptionally long staple length. When I took him into the ring the judge said gently that he looked brushed. Well, yes, brushed alot, by cedar branches! I went home and cut off all the lower branches and wrapped the trunks with chicken wire so the alpacas couldn't disrupt the bark. They still love the hillside but the brush/brushed problem was solved.

Concerning the pasture turning into a dry lot... I also found out that if you don't provide your alpacas with a dry lot they will make their own! This may not be true in very wet parts of the country but, here, no pasture can withstand the feeding pressure of alpacas if they are given unlimited access. I remember telling Steve Knoblock that I couldn't get my alpacas to come in for supplement and he said they'd eventually have to come in for water! I told him I had a tank in the pasture and he told me to get that out of there! That first year they decimated the pasture until I made them a paddock area with horse panels around the shed. Problem solved. They have limited access to a lush pasture and cool hillside. We did have to remove a lot of Crown of Thorn Locusts but that's Kansas!

Robyn Grauer
Cedar Breaks Farm
Manhattan, KS
785-776-6240
www.alpacanation.com/cedarbreaks.asp

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@...> wrote:
>
> That was my thought, too, a skirting nightmare. Other than that, I
> see no problem with alpacas being under trees.
>
> Although I know of one person who co-owned a champion male, and who
> has a very wooded pasture. The year he spent at that farm,
> apparently, his fleece length was shorter than it had been the
> previous years. Now, I don't know for certain that lack of direct
> sunlight will make the fleece grow slower, but his other owner was
> very upset and was certain that was the reason. :)
>
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> White Lotus Alpacas
> Oregon
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com
> http://whitelotus.openherd.com
>
> On Apr 3, 2010, at 4:37 AM, Judith Korff/Ladysong Farm wrote:
>
> >
> > My farm is what's called a "sun trap" which means it's open to the
> > east and hugged on the north, west and south by timbered land. I
> > only own about 30 feet into the woods, and there is no fencing
> > between parts of the pasture and the woods. The alps will only go
> > in about 20 feet or so. They do enjoy lying in the wooded areas
> > when it's very hot in the summer, but also don't appear comfortable
> > getting out of sight of the open land. The only time they venture
> > any farther into the timbered area is if the boys get fighting and
> > someone gets chased farther in. However, they don't stay any
> > longer than they have to, and never go in the woods after dark. I
> > suppose it also helps that there is a steep hill about 50 feet in
> > that would be hard to traverse.
> >
> > The worst thing about their going in/near the woods is that
> > woodlands tend to "creep" toward your pastures, so there's lots of
> > scrub, brambles and burdocks bordering the woods which can make for
> > a shearing and skirting nightmare. I'm hoping to get someone with
> > a brush hog out this year to clean up the edges, and then pour a
> > salt channel and lay PermaNet fencing to block off the woodlands.
> > It's not that I think they'll wander, but rather to prevent
> > wildlife and dogs from coming up to the farm through the woods and
> > accessing my pastures from the unprotected areas.
> >
> > Judith Korff
> > LadySong Farm
> > Music to Your Wallet
> > Randolph, New York 14772
> > Cell: (716) 499-0383
> > www.alpacanation.com/ladysong.asp
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Ken <bushwacker37@...>
> > To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 11:44:59 PM
> > Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Wooded lots
> >
> >
> > Everything I have read or heard states that alpaca do well on dry
> > lots or pastures/fields but what about wooded areas ? I have mine
> > on a acre lot that is mostly wooded. They seem to enjoy it. When
> > they get the run of the "front yard", 5 plus acres, they really
> > enjoy the open space and fresh greens. But there is another 10
> > acres they have never attempted into explore in the woods. I am
> > kind of happy because as soon as I can't see them I go out looking
> > for them but still I wonder. Any ideas ?
> >
> > Ken Hoh
> > Alpaca Hoh Ranch
> > Owneton, Ky
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Wooded lots

 

Thanks for all of the great input. One comment offline I have been told is they may not like wooded lots because of the threat from predators from above, large cats. I am currently reviewing my fencing plans and want to give them as much room as possible. But if they will not be comfortable in the woods I am not going to waste the money fencing it in. Cutting the trees down is not an option. The acre lot they are on now was full of bushes, brambles and wild rose bushes. They (4) have turned into a dry lot in 4-5 months. No signs that spring will have a chance to reclaim it.

Yes, Cherry trees and a 100 plus plants are a concern. So is a small one acre lake. I have heard alpaca can swim, so far mine have not even drunk from the lake.

Ken

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Dee Garrett <futurealpacas@...> wrote:
>
> I had to go around looking for things that could affect fencing plans and,
> Catherine, one of the first things I had to deal with was a wild cherry. It
> was outside the planned fencing but I am planning to have it cut down anyway
> just to be sure. All my other trees are just maples etc and shade trees for
> the pacas. I am fortunate to have several where they can cush and chill and
> with the overhang design I think they will be cooler inside than out.
>
> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Catherine Fitch <FaerieSpun@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Poisonous plants--I have heard that wild cherries can be poisonous for
> > Alpacas and even kill them.
> >
> > Catherine Fitch
> > FaerieSpun
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Dee
> FutureAlpacas
> Goshen, Virginia
>

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: Wooded lots

 

<<<Everything I have read or heard states that alpaca do well on dry
> lots or pastures/fields but what about wooded areas ? I have mine
> on a acre lot that is mostly wooded. They seem to enjoy it. When
> they get the run of the "front yard", 5 plus acres, they really
> enjoy the open space and fresh greens. But there is another 10
> acres they have never attempted into explore in the woods. I am
> kind of happy because as soon as I can't see them I go out looking
> for them but still I wonder. Any ideas ?
>
> Ken Hoh
> Alpaca Hoh Ranch
> Owneton, Ky>>>

My alpacas' pasture is half open half wooded, actually probably more
like 1/3 open and 2/3 wooded. They utilize all areas. They
especially appreciate the woods during the summer. I put a lg
industrial fan out there and a pool, all in the shade of the woods and
they love it; I also spray them down (or spray them "under" would be a
more accurate description) with a hose under the trees at least once a
day during the high heat of summer. During the winter they spend most
all their time out in the open.
The main problem to watch out for is poisonous trees and shrubs. I had
a lot of wild cherries. I knew the leaves were poisonous but they were
so high up they were not reachable so I never gave it a
thought.......*until* I learned it is the WILTED leaves not the green
leaves that are the problem. I had a lot of them and of course they
drop their leaves each fall. I buried a lot of alpacas over the years
and had a lot of miscarriages and premature births (that didn't
survive). I can't say for a fact it was the trees, but since I've had
them all removed I have not buried a single alpaca.
At the time I was having this done I learned that all pit fruit trees'
wilted leaves are toxic, so sadly not only did I have to lose all my
cherries but all my wild plums and wild peaches as well.
I think your guys will do fine in the woods, esp since they have a FIVE
acre front yard to enjoy - lucky guys!

Predators would be my main concern after poisonous trees/bushes. There
is a reason you don't like them to get out of sight!

A couple of Great Pyrennees will take care of that problem very nicely
:-). I had a hundred reasons why I did not want to fool with getting
any more dogs, any more mouths to feed. I got my pair last May and
I've looked back; I'll never be without them again. I now sleep well
at night and never ever hear that bone chilling yipping of visiting
coyotes and the bobcat that attacked twice has moved on. They are the
greatest dogs ever and the easiest I've ever raised.

Janice in NW GA

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This file is sent to all members via Yahoo's automated groups messaging function once each month. Sometimes we all need reminders, or even a little nudge now and then. Occasionally, issues arise that upset some, and that upsets others. Let's all remember that everyone has a valid opinion, even if you don't agree with it. And some people express themselves in a way that you may not like. No one is perfect. My delivery frequently makes people angry. I don't set out with this as my goal, but sometimes it is the outcome. My goal is always to inform, and to start or continue discussion.

I feel that rules are really not needed when mature, thoughtful adults interact with each other. However, there are a few points that seem to need reinforcement.

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