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Oh for crying out loud! Some person, a moderator of an alpaca
discussion group and who never misses an angle to advertise, promote,
sell, showboat, etc., has now made a post on another list in which he
asks people to please not attract the "spiders" to his website and
puh-lease do not search on a certain phrase but feel free to email him
for the link. Ugh, it just turns my stomach the lengths some people
will go to, to see their google ranking inch up.
Blecchhh!

Heather

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] BEW's

hi Heidi - i looked up the sources of information you suggested re BEW's - thanks very much - i especially liked the charts that enable predicting a BEW (as much as possible) - I will continue to search out more information but i'm not worrying about a BEW being born into my herd anymore - everything is manageable.
thanks again,
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
Port Alberni, BC
----- Original Message -----
From: Radched@aol.com
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] BEW's

Hey Dave,

Janet was the one that said that - my quote is at the bottom of the page :)

Heidi Christensen
WingNut Farm Alpacas
Graham WA
(253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
www.wingnut-alpacas.com

-----Original Message-----
From: David Friedman <alpacas@roadrunner.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 5:50 am
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] BEW's

Hi Heidi,
Regarding your third paragraph, I believe you are not correct; perhaps
ou could explain to me why you state that a blue eyed white out of two
reys will give you only a grey, but one out of a different combination
implied) will give you either grey or spotted. To my mind there is no
ifference.
Thanks,
Dave Friedman
dirondack Alpacas
From the Womb to the Loom"
emsen, NY
ww.newyorkalpacas.com
janet morrow wrote:
Hi Heidi,

I own one BEW female, and as I said my first cria was a BEW boy. Neither of
hem are deaf, but some are. However, deaf alpacas do quite well in a herd
etting. I would NEVER breed for a BEW. However, a BEW male makes a wonderful
iber animal. They have very soft fleece.

A BEW female will not produce a BEW cria if you breed them to a solid
erdsire. I always recommend a dark one, as this way you can be sure there are
o small spots, which can be easily missed on fawns and lighter colors. Never
reed a BEW to a dark eyed white. You do not know if the dark eyed white has
he spotting gene.

With BEW you will get either gray or spotted alpacas. This is because they
ave two spotted genes, and no solid one. A BEW from two grays, will give you
ll gray cria. If you were breeding for gray a BEW would not hurt, and could be
onsidered beneficial to the breeding program. If you do not want to breed for
potted or gray alpacas then a BEW would not be a wise purchase.

There have actually be a number of very famous BEW herdsires. I know there
as one in Australia that I have heard of. Another good source of information
n BEW and color is Elizabeth Paul from Australia. She did a lot of consulting
ith me when my first cria was born…

Janet

----- Original Message ----
From: "Radched@aol.com" <Radched@aol.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:34:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] BEW's

Hi Wendy,

Definitely go to the alpacanation forum and search on BEW.? Several folks give
he reasons why they would, and would not, buy a BEW.? Mainly its financial,
ecause if you breed them right, there is not issue with it in the offspring.?
nd not all are deaf - even the ones who are don't pass it on with proper
reeding, and most are able to cope fine with the assistance of their hearing
ounterparts.

Heidi Christensen
WingNut Farm Alpacas
Graham WA
(253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
www.wingnut- alpacas.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Wendy Edwards <wendy.edwards@ shaw.ca>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 4:08 pm
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] BEW's

hi - i really appreciate all this information and the web sites - i was
alking to a breeder today and she told me that some people prefer BEW's - but
onsidering the fact they could be deaf and disadvantaged, i'm not sure why
nyone would try to breed or buy BEW's - maybe there is something i am missing -
will continue to follow up on the websites and read, read, read.

Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
Port Alberni, BC

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] BEW's

Oops!

Dave

Radched@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Hey Dave,
>
> Janet was the one that said that - my quote is at the bottom of the
> page :)
>
> Heidi Christensen
> WingNut Farm Alpacas
> Graham WA
> (253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
> www.wingnut-alpacas.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Friedman <alpacas@roadrunner.com
> <mailto:alpacas%40roadrunner.com>>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 5:50 am
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] BEW's
>
> Hi Heidi,
> Regarding your third paragraph, I believe you are not correct; perhaps
> ou could explain to me why you state that a blue eyed white out of two
> reys will give you only a grey, but one out of a different combination
> implied) will give you either grey or spotted. To my mind there is no
> ifference.
> Thanks,
> Dave Friedman
> dirondack Alpacas
> >From the Womb to the Loom"
> emsen, NY
> ww.newyorkalpacas.com
> janet morrow wrote:
> Hi Heidi,
>
> I own one BEW female, and as I said my first cria was a BEW boy.
> Neither of
> hem are deaf, but some are. However, deaf alpacas do quite well in a herd
> etting. I would NEVER breed for a BEW. However, a BEW male makes a
> wonderful
> iber animal. They have very soft fleece.
>
> A BEW female will not produce a BEW cria if you breed them to a solid
> erdsire. I always recommend a dark one, as this way you can be sure
> there are
> o small spots, which can be easily missed on fawns and lighter colors.
> Never
> reed a BEW to a dark eyed white. You do not know if the dark eyed
> white has
> he spotting gene.
>
> With BEW you will get either gray or spotted alpacas. This is because
> they
> ave two spotted genes, and no solid one. A BEW from two grays, will
> give you
> ll gray cria. If you were breeding for gray a BEW would not hurt, and
> could be
> onsidered beneficial to the breeding program. If you do not want to
> breed for
> potted or gray alpacas then a BEW would not be a wise purchase.
>
> There have actually be a number of very famous BEW herdsires. I know
> there
> as one in Australia that I have heard of. Another good source of
> information
> n BEW and color is Elizabeth Paul from Australia. She did a lot of
> consulting
> ith me when my first cria was born…
>
> Janet
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Radched@aol.com <mailto:Radched%40aol.com>" <Radched@aol.com
> <mailto:Radched%40aol.com>>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:34:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] BEW's
>
> Hi Wendy,
>
> Definitely go to the alpacanation forum and search on BEW.? Several
> folks give
> he reasons why they would, and would not, buy a BEW.? Mainly its
> financial,
> ecause if you breed them right, there is not issue with it in the
> offspring.?
> nd not all are deaf - even the ones who are don't pass it on with proper
> reeding, and most are able to cope fine with the assistance of their
> hearing
> ounterparts.
>
> Heidi Christensen
> WingNut Farm Alpacas
> Graham WA
> (253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
> www.wingnut- alpacas.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wendy Edwards <wendy.edwards@ shaw.ca>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 4:08 pm
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] BEW's
>
> hi - i really appreciate all this information and the web sites - i was
> alking to a breeder today and she told me that some people prefer
> BEW's - but
> onsidering the fact they could be deaf and disadvantaged, i'm not sure
> why
> nyone would try to breed or buy BEW's - maybe there is something i am
> missing -
> will continue to follow up on the websites and read, read, read.
>
> Wendy
> DreamWeaver Alpacas
> Port Alberni, BC
>
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] BEW's


Hey Dave,

Janet was the one that said that - my quote is at the bottom of the page :)

Heidi Christensen
WingNut Farm Alpacas
Graham WA
(253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
www.wingnut-alpacas.com

-----Original Message-----
From: David Friedman <alpacas@roadrunner.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 5:50 am
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] BEW's

Hi Heidi,
Regarding your third paragraph, I believe you are not correct; perhaps
ou could explain to me why you state that a blue eyed white out of two
reys will give you only a grey, but one out of a different combination
implied) will give you either grey or spotted. To my mind there is no
ifference.
Thanks,
Dave Friedman
dirondack Alpacas
From the Womb to the Loom"
emsen, NY
ww.newyorkalpacas.com
janet morrow wrote:
Hi Heidi,

I own one BEW female, and as I said my first cria was a BEW boy. Neither of
hem are deaf, but some are. However, deaf alpacas do quite well in a herd
etting. I would NEVER breed for a BEW. However, a BEW male makes a wonderful
iber animal. They have very soft fleece.

A BEW female will not produce a BEW cria if you breed them to a solid
erdsire. I always recommend a dark one, as this way you can be sure there are
o small spots, which can be easily missed on fawns and lighter colors. Never
reed a BEW to a dark eyed white. You do not know if the dark eyed white has
he spotting gene.

With BEW you will get either gray or spotted alpacas. This is because they
ave two spotted genes, and no solid one. A BEW from two grays, will give you
ll gray cria. If you were breeding for gray a BEW would not hurt, and could be
onsidered beneficial to the breeding program. If you do not want to breed for
potted or gray alpacas then a BEW would not be a wise purchase.

There have actually be a number of very famous BEW herdsires. I know there
as one in Australia that I have heard of. Another good source of information
n BEW and color is Elizabeth Paul from Australia. She did a lot of consulting
ith me when my first cria was born…

Janet

----- Original Message ----
From: "Radched@aol.com" <Radched@aol.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:34:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] BEW's

Hi Wendy,

Definitely go to the alpacanation forum and search on BEW.? Several folks give
he reasons why they would, and would not, buy a BEW.? Mainly its financial,
ecause if you breed them right, there is not issue with it in the offspring.?
nd not all are deaf - even the ones who are don't pass it on with proper
reeding, and most are able to cope fine with the assistance of their hearing
ounterparts.

Heidi Christensen
WingNut Farm Alpacas
Graham WA
(253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
www.wingnut- alpacas.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Wendy Edwards <wendy.edwards@ shaw.ca>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 4:08 pm
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] BEW's

hi - i really appreciate all this information and the web sites - i was
alking to a breeder today and she told me that some people prefer BEW's - but
onsidering the fact they could be deaf and disadvantaged, i'm not sure why
nyone would try to breed or buy BEW's - maybe there is something i am missing -
will continue to follow up on the websites and read, read, read.

Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
Port Alberni, BC

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] BEW's

Hi Heidi,

Regarding your third paragraph, I believe you are not correct; perhaps
you could explain to me why you state that a blue eyed white out of two
greys will give you only a grey, but one out of a different combination
(implied) will give you either grey or spotted. To my mind there is no
difference.

Thanks,

Dave Friedman
Adirondack Alpacas
"From the Womb to the Loom"
Remsen, NY
www.newyorkalpacas.com

janet morrow wrote:
> Hi Heidi,
>
> I own one BEW female, and as I said my first cria was a BEW boy. Neither of them are deaf, but some are. However, deaf alpacas do quite well in a herd setting. I would NEVER breed for a BEW. However, a BEW male makes a wonderful fiber animal. They have very soft fleece.
>
> A BEW female will not produce a BEW cria if you breed them to a solid herdsire. I always recommend a dark one, as this way you can be sure there are no small spots, which can be easily missed on fawns and lighter colors. Never breed a BEW to a dark eyed white. You do not know if the dark eyed white has the spotting gene.
>
> With BEW you will get either gray or spotted alpacas. This is because they have two spotted genes, and no solid one. A BEW from two grays, will give you all gray cria. If you were breeding for gray a BEW would not hurt, and could be considered beneficial to the breeding program. If you do not want to breed for spotted or gray alpacas then a BEW would not be a wise purchase.
>
> There have actually be a number of very famous BEW herdsires. I know there was one in Australia that I have heard of. Another good source of information on BEW and color is Elizabeth Paul from Australia. She did a lot of consulting with me when my first cria was born…
>
> Janet
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Radched@aol.com" <Radched@aol.com>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:34:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] BEW's
>
>
> Hi Wendy,
>
> Definitely go to the alpacanation forum and search on BEW.? Several folks give the reasons why they would, and would not, buy a BEW.? Mainly its financial, because if you breed them right, there is not issue with it in the offspring.? And not all are deaf - even the ones who are don't pass it on with proper breeding, and most are able to cope fine with the assistance of their hearing counterparts.
>
> Heidi Christensen
> WingNut Farm Alpacas
> Graham WA
> (253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
> www.wingnut- alpacas.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wendy Edwards <wendy.edwards@ shaw.ca>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 4:08 pm
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] BEW's
>
> hi - i really appreciate all this information and the web sites - i was talking to a breeder today and she told me that some people prefer BEW's - but considering the fact they could be deaf and disadvantaged, i'm not sure why anyone would try to breed or buy BEW's - maybe there is something i am missing - i will continue to follow up on the websites and read, read, read.
>
> Wendy
> DreamWeaver Alpacas
> Port Alberni, BC
>
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