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Wednesday, January 07, 2009

[AlpacaTalk] Re: silver spot vs white spot

Hi, I am new here, alot of really big studs have spots!!! Good luck
coming up for a answer but if you bred him to your own girls that is the
best way to see what his genes will do. Remember conformation too!!
Mary Jane Fox
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Kirtland, OH
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--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@...>
wrote:
>
> I think the spot will be of little consequence, depending on his
> other qualities. How old is he? It's possible this color change could
> be a result of injury or injection site scarring.
>
> I'm going to make a statement, and I'm sure there will be plenty of
> outright negations of this statement: If he's placed well in shows,
> that white spot means next to nothing.
>
> Ok, show placings do not a good breeder make. BUT, those show
> placings are against other breeders' best. The judges are highly
> trained and look for superior characteristics and rewards those
> characteristics, if present. So, while people can say all day long
> and into the night that they don't base their breeding program on
> ribbons, well...
>
> Micron. Does he have good, low micron for his age, and does it have
> low SD and low % over 30µ? Those are equally important.
>
> Finally, crimp is all the rage right now. Does he have good crimp? I
> personally don't believe that crimp is really an indicator of low
> micron, uniformity, and density, but that's another discussion. Crimp
> is what's being rewarded in the shows right now, and what people are
> breeding for, generally.
>
> And, the spot issue and the fear surrounding them was manufactured by
> a few breeders including a senior judge trainer with a herdsire row
> of his own to promote, and a "consultant" self proclaimed fiber
> expert. No one worried about spots until those few made huge
> marketing campaigns against spots. Then many people wised up and
> stopped worrying about them.
>
> That's my take on spots. :)
>
> Heather
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2009, at 2:08 PM, carlssc wrote:
>
> > I have a TB boy that has one silver spot at the base of his neck at
> > his shoulders. it is definitely silver and not white. color checked
it
> > with black and white paper as well as a fleece color chart. his sire
> > is light fawn. his mother is DB with no white. his full brother is
> > medium fawn with a black spot in the same exact place. per ARI color
> > patterns he is registered as "solid true black". but obviously to be
> > honest i can't say he doesn't have another color on his body. what
if
> > any impact does this have on him as a breeding male?
> >
> > Shari Carlson
> > Shai-J Criations, LLC
> > 153 Meetinghouse Lane
> > Ledyard, CT 06339
> > www.alpacastreet.com/shaij_criations.asp
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] silver spot vs white spot

I think the spot will be of little consequence, depending on his
other qualities. How old is he? It's possible this color change could
be a result of injury or injection site scarring.

I'm going to make a statement, and I'm sure there will be plenty of
outright negations of this statement: If he's placed well in shows,
that white spot means next to nothing.

Ok, show placings do not a good breeder make. BUT, those show
placings are against other breeders' best. The judges are highly
trained and look for superior characteristics and rewards those
characteristics, if present. So, while people can say all day long
and into the night that they don't base their breeding program on
ribbons, well...

Micron. Does he have good, low micron for his age, and does it have
low SD and low % over 30µ? Those are equally important.

Finally, crimp is all the rage right now. Does he have good crimp? I
personally don't believe that crimp is really an indicator of low
micron, uniformity, and density, but that's another discussion. Crimp
is what's being rewarded in the shows right now, and what people are
breeding for, generally.

And, the spot issue and the fear surrounding them was manufactured by
a few breeders including a senior judge trainer with a herdsire row
of his own to promote, and a "consultant" self proclaimed fiber
expert. No one worried about spots until those few made huge
marketing campaigns against spots. Then many people wised up and
stopped worrying about them.

That's my take on spots. :)

Heather

On Jan 7, 2009, at 2:08 PM, carlssc wrote:

> I have a TB boy that has one silver spot at the base of his neck at
> his shoulders. it is definitely silver and not white. color checked it
> with black and white paper as well as a fleece color chart. his sire
> is light fawn. his mother is DB with no white. his full brother is
> medium fawn with a black spot in the same exact place. per ARI color
> patterns he is registered as "solid true black". but obviously to be
> honest i can't say he doesn't have another color on his body. what if
> any impact does this have on him as a breeding male?
>
> Shari Carlson
> Shai-J Criations, LLC
> 153 Meetinghouse Lane
> Ledyard, CT 06339
> www.alpacastreet.com/shaij_criations.asp
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] silver spot vs white spot

I'm really curious, as I have an all black male also, and he has a silver
place on his neck. Definitely not white! this didn't show up until he was
past 2 years old. he is a gorges (3) year old male, and I did breed him to 4
of my females last year. his crias will drop this summer. Can't wait to
read the responses, to your post.
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[AlpacaTalk] silver spot vs white spot

I have a TB boy that has one silver spot at the base of his neck at
his shoulders. it is definitely silver and not white. color checked it
with black and white paper as well as a fleece color chart. his sire
is light fawn. his mother is DB with no white. his full brother is
medium fawn with a black spot in the same exact place. per ARI color
patterns he is registered as "solid true black". but obviously to be
honest i can't say he doesn't have another color on his body. what if
any impact does this have on him as a breeding male?

Shari Carlson
Shai-J Criations, LLC
153 Meetinghouse Lane
Ledyard, CT 06339
www.alpacastreet.com/shaij_criations.asp

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