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Tuesday, February 09, 2010

Re: [AlpacaTalk] What's new?

 

Sorry, I forgot to copy and paste the original email.
 
SUSAN

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and neigh in the night." - unknown

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] What's new?

 

Oh. I just want to clarify, this instruction was to tie the troublemaking/dominant/fighting boy in the corner, in case it wasn't clear. :) 



Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

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On Feb 9, 2010, at 10:11 PM, barngirrl@aol.com wrote:

Thanks, Sheri, I'll try it after it dries up a bit around here, its raining right now.  AGAIN.  : )
 
SUSAN

"My treasures do not chink or glitter, 
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and neigh in the night." - unknown


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Re: [AlpacaTalk] What's new?

 

Thanks, everyone, that helps so much!  Where do you all get your fresh/frozen colostrum?  We do have the powdered bovine colostrum on hand - I figure it can't hurt and the one preemie cria I nursed with it loved it and did well.  
 
As far as IgG goes, there was a study done several years ago on horses which showed that low IgG foals did just as well as high IgG foals.  So I don't even test for IgG - I might think about it if I had a very, very sick cria but other than that, it has shown to be a waste of time and money. 
 
SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

"My treasures do not chink or glitter,
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and neigh in the night." - unknown

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] What's new?

 

Thanks, Sheri, I'll try it after it dries up a bit around here, its raining right now.  AGAIN.  : )
 
SUSAN

"My treasures do not chink or glitter,
they glean in the sun
and neigh in the night." - unknown

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] What's new?

 

Here's another study. This one shows that a particular colostrum replacer was effective in providing adequate passive transfer. :)


Abstract
October 15, 2006, Vol. 229, No. 8, Pages 1282-1285
doi: 10.2460/javma.229.8.1282


Serum IgG and total protein concentrations in dairy calves fed two colostrum replacement products

Derek M. Foster, DVM; Geof W. Smith, DVM, PhD, DACVIM; Truman R. Sanner, DVM; Gonzalo V. Busso, MV
Department of Population Health and Pathobiology, College of Veterinary Medicine, North Carolina State University, Raleigh, NC 27606 (Foster, Smith, Busso); Rocky Creek Veterinary Services, 178 Holstein Ln, Olin, NC 28660 (Sanner)

Supported by Imu-Tek Animal Health and Land O'Lakes Incorporated.

The authors thank Carl DiCasoli and Dr. Howard Bondell for assistance with statistical analyses.

Address correspondence to Dr. Smith.

Objective—To evaluate effects of 2 commercially available colostrum replacement products on serum IgG and total protein concentrations in dairy calves.

Design—Prospective clinical trial.

Animals—84 Holstein bull calves from a single dairy.

Procedures—Calves were randomly assigned to be given 4 quarts of colostrum (group 1; n = 21), 2 packages of a colostrum replacement product (product A; group 2; 21), 1 package of a different colostrum replacement product (product B; group 3; 21), or 2 packages of product B (group 4; 21). Treatments were given within 3 hours after birth, and blood samples were collected 24 hours later and submitted for determination of serum total protein and IgG concentrations.

Results—Group 1 calves had significantly higher serum total protein and IgG concentrations than did calves in the other 3 groups. However, the percentage of calves with adequate passive transfer (ie, serum IgG concentration > 1,000 mg/dL) was not significantly different among groups 1 (90%), 3 (81%), and 4 (95%). In contrast, only 10% of calves in group 2 had adequate passive transfer. It was predicted that calves fed product B that had serum total protein concentrations > 5.2 g/dL would have serum IgG concentrations > 1,000 mg/dL at least 90% of the time.

Conclusions and Clinical Relevance—Results indicated that product B could be considered as an alternative to colostrum in dairy calves, but product A failed to routinely provide adequate serum IgG concentrations when fed according to label directions.


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] What's new? [1 Attachment]

Hi Jennifer,
I'm not a vet, nor do I have veterinary training except what I've learned in my dozen years caring for alpacas. But I do read a lot, and I do research on subjects related to their care so that I can be as informed as possible. 

The paper I mentioned is actually regarding camel crias, and it is in the "Attachments" section of this group website. I just did a quick search on dried colostrum and found a study conducted by UC Davis in the early 90s. The study did show that IgG concentrations are lower in calves who received powdered colostrum, they did not have an increased death rate and they had similar weight gain as the calves who received fresh colostrum.



Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] What's new?

 

Heather,
the freeze dried colostrum you describe is great for boosting calories but the drying process kills all, every single one, of the antibodies needed to boost a crias immune system. 

Fresh or frozen are the only answer if antibodies are what you are looking for. 

Blue Skies
Jennifer Powers
Aero Ranch Suri Alpacas
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On Feb 9, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Heather Zeleny wrote:

No, it won't hurt the immune system. That isn't the problem with Naxel and Exenel. What the vets say is that they wipe out the intestinal flora, so that makes digestion difficult. I have found that to be true with most antiboiotics, though. Since crias are not born with their guts pre-populated, it isn't an issue with newborns. 


After reading a paper on colostrum that desribed a study on the efficacy of alpaca, llama, and bovine colostrum, I am very happy to get powdered bovine colostrum to have on hand during birthing season. The study shows that bovine colostrum was nearly as effective as llama or alpaca colostrum. And, it's very much more economical than alpaca or llama, or even fresh goat colostrum. And you don't have to worry about freezing and thawing.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Feb 9, 2010, at 1:24 AM, barngirrl@aol.com wrote:


Getting ready for more rain Tuesday, have to put the horses in the barn and make sure the alpaca tarps are all well-fastened.  Got a new male multi Suri from a friend a few days ago and really like him but my Huacaya herdsire doesn't, so they have to remain separated for all eternity, I guess.  That means building more fences in the mud, what fun.  One cria expected any day now from a mom with a uterine infection history so have to give Excenel shots.  Does anyone know if that will hurt the cria's immune system if I give them to mom before it (SHE, think positive) is 24 hours old?  I don't think we have much choice, I don't want an infection at any rate.  I'm going to be giving 5cc Excenel SQ daily for 10 days.
 
SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

"If you think dogs can't count, try putting three dog biscuits in your pocket and then give Fido only two of them."

Phil Pastoret




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Re: [AlpacaTalk] What's new?

 

No, it won't hurt the immune system. That isn't the problem with Naxel and Exenel. What the vets say is that they wipe out the intestinal flora, so that makes digestion difficult. I have found that to be true with most antiboiotics, though. Since crias are not born with their guts pre-populated, it isn't an issue with newborns. 


After reading a paper on colostrum that desribed a study on the efficacy of alpaca, llama, and bovine colostrum, I am very happy to get powdered bovine colostrum to have on hand during birthing season. The study shows that bovine colostrum was nearly as effective as llama or alpaca colostrum. And, it's very much more economical than alpaca or llama, or even fresh goat colostrum. And you don't have to worry about freezing and thawing.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Feb 9, 2010, at 1:24 AM, barngirrl@aol.com wrote:

Getting ready for more rain Tuesday, have to put the horses in the barn and make sure the alpaca tarps are all well-fastened.  Got a new male multi Suri from a friend a few days ago and really like him but my Huacaya herdsire doesn't, so they have to remain separated for all eternity, I guess.  That means building more fences in the mud, what fun.  One cria expected any day now from a mom with a uterine infection history so have to give Excenel shots.  Does anyone know if that will hurt the cria's immune system if I give them to mom before it (SHE, think positive) is 24 hours old?  I don't think we have much choice, I don't want an infection at any rate.  I'm going to be giving 5cc Excenel SQ daily for 10 days.
 
SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

"If you think dogs can't count, try putting three dog biscuits in your pocket and then give Fido only two of them."

Phil Pastoret


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Re: [AlpacaTalk] What's new?

 

Try this. Halter the huacaya and put him in a corner, nose first. Leave him there with the other male around for about 20 min to a half hour. Then let him go. That seems to work.


Sheri Hewitt
Woodland Meadows, LLC
31542 Camas Swale Rd.
Creswell, OR 97426
541-895-0964

On Feb 9, 2010, at 1:24 AM, barngirrl@aol.com wrote:


Getting ready for more rain Tuesday, have to put the horses in the barn and make sure the alpaca tarps are all well-fastened.  Got a new male multi Suri from a friend a few days ago and really like him but my Huacaya herdsire doesn't, so they have to remain separated for all eternity, I guess.  That means building more fences in the mud, what fun.  One cria expected any day now from a mom with a uterine infection history so have to give Excenel shots.  Does anyone know if that will hurt the cria's immune system if I give them to mom before it (SHE, think positive) is 24 hours old?  I don't think we have much choice, I don't want an infection at any rate.  I'm going to be giving 5cc Excenel SQ daily for 10 days.
 
SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

"If you think dogs can't count, try putting three dog biscuits in your pocket and then give Fido only two of them."

Phil Pastoret




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RE: [[AlpacaTalk] What's new?

 

Hi Flossie,
I just went to Lowes (Home Depot also carries the product) and asked for heating wire.  The more common use is to keep exposed pipes from freezing under you home.
 
Peter Lundberg
Stayton, OR  97383
503-551-5015
AlpacaBlanketProject@yahoo.com
 


To: alpacatalk@yahoogroups.com
From: flossie_rnc@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:26:31 -0500
Subject: RE: [[AlpacaTalk] What's new?

 
Hi Peter, What was the wire called, what voltage and where did you buy it? I have some heated water buckets but buying the wire is certainly much cheaper!
Flossie

Flossie and Joe Carmichael
GentleGrangeAlpacas
Jamison,Pa.
Home-215-918-0339
Cell-267-614-9620
http://www.alpacanation.com/gentlegrange.asp




 

To: alpacatalk@yahoogroups.com
From: pclundberg@msn.com
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 08:18:19 -0800
Subject: RE: [[AlpacaTalk] What's new?

 
Hi Flossie,
I bought a heating wire for about $8 and wrapped it around the alpaca water bucket.  It has just enough juce to keep the water from freezing.  I sure got tired of going up the hill to break the ice several times a day.
Stay warm.
 
Peter Lundberg
Stayton, OR  97383
503-551-5015
AlpacaBlanketProject@yahoo.com

 

To: alpacatalk@yahoogroups.com
From: flossie_rnc@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 10:07:53 -0500
Subject: RE: [[AlpacaTalk] What's new?

 
I live in SE Pa. and we got 12" last week and 18" this week and are also expecting another storm midweek. I now have a better appreciation of what breeders in the snowier states go through every winter. We are a small farm, only 14 alpacas but by the time we drag out hot water to add to the water buckets and try to clean up manure that is frozen to the ground or buried in snow 2 hours have passed. I am really happy I bought coats for my 2 thin girls. Money is tight so I ordered xxxl dog coats, 44"-49" from Big Dee's online. They were on sale for $12.95 each, are waterproof and have velcro belly bands. They were so nice I ordered a few more yesterday. I was complaining about the mud but all this snow is worse. It just looks prettier. Stay warm everyone.
Flossie

Flossie and Joe Carmichael
GentleGrangeAlpacas
Jamison,Pa.
Home-215-918-0339
Cell-267-614-9620
http://www.alpacanation.com/gentlegrange.asp




 


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Re: [AlpacaTalk] What's new?

 

Getting ready for more rain Tuesday, have to put the horses in the barn and make sure the alpaca tarps are all well-fastened.  Got a new male multi Suri from a friend a few days ago and really like him but my Huacaya herdsire doesn't, so they have to remain separated for all eternity, I guess.  That means building more fences in the mud, what fun.  One cria expected any day now from a mom with a uterine infection history so have to give Excenel shots.  Does anyone know if that will hurt the cria's immune system if I give them to mom before it (SHE, think positive) is 24 hours old?  I don't think we have much choice, I don't want an infection at any rate.  I'm going to be giving 5cc Excenel SQ daily for 10 days.
 
SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

"If you think dogs can't count, try putting three dog biscuits in your pocket and then give Fido only two of them."

Phil Pastoret

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