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Friday, April 05, 2013

Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Questions about barn cats

 

I'm afraid I have to disagree 100% here. When an established feral population is disturbed, there are major consequences. Where I grew up, there was a huge feral and likely, dumped cat population on the beach. A massive effort was made to eradicate that cat colony, and what ensued was a major rat and mouse population.


Stable feral cat colonies are an important balance to the ecosystem. 

One or two altered barn cats will not affect wild rodent or bird populations to any great extent. But, if they can be persuaded to stay in or around the barn, they will definitely keep rodents out of the barn.

Or, adopt any cat. I have a female who is an indoor cat, but she takes her job as mouser and general "guard cat" very seriously. In fact, she comes to tell us when it's time to go out and do chores. :) 



On Apr 5, 2013, at 7:35 AM, farmer_mam wrote:

 



I have to agree with Laurel 100% regarding releasing feral cats. Sterilization does not resolve the destructive nature of these cats. We used to live on a lake and a colony (17 or more) took up residence along the lake. Mallard ducks, Canadian Geese, Squirrels, Rabbits, Morning Doves, Robins, Blue Jays, Cardinals, neighbors leg (28 stitches caused by a fleeing cat's claws inadvertently blocked in a shed), and my wife's hand and dogs nose were only a few of the casualties to feral cats. When I talk about casualties, I mean complete decimation of wildlife in two years - no nesting birds, no squirrels, rabbits, and the waterfowl avoided our area of the lake.

Please reconsider the impact and do not release.

The last time I made a public appeal regarding feral cats we received calls day and night telling us they would kill us for our stand. Never understood how one could not kill a cat but killing a person was ok....

Michael Morack
Waukesha, WI
[262] 970 - 9633


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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Questions about barn cats

 

Learning a lot here! Thanks folks.

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "farmer_mam" <mam2@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I have to agree with Laurel 100% regarding releasing feral cats. Sterilization does not resolve the destructive nature of these cats. We used to live on a lake and a colony (17 or more) took up residence along the lake. Mallard ducks, Canadian Geese, Squirrels, Rabbits, Morning Doves, Robins, Blue Jays, Cardinals, neighbors leg (28 stitches caused by a fleeing cat's claws inadvertently blocked in a shed), and my wife's hand and dogs nose were only a few of the casualties to feral cats. When I talk about casualties, I mean complete decimation of wildlife in two years - no nesting birds, no squirrels, rabbits, and the waterfowl avoided our area of the lake.
>
> Please reconsider the impact and do not release.
>
> The last time I made a public appeal regarding feral cats we received calls day and night telling us they would kill us for our stand. Never understood how one could not kill a cat but killing a person was ok....
>
> Michael Morack
> Waukesha, WI
> [262] 970 - 9633
>
> --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Bluebird Hills Farm" <bluebirdhills@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I hate to stir the pot, but..
> > Having accidentally bushogged several feral cats over the years, I do not
> > agree with the neuter release program. They get in fights with my cats and
> > they decimate songbird populations. I have never understood why cats seem
> > to have favor with animal control. I get fined $300 for my LGD being off
> > the farm, while cute fluffy is free to roam and kill wherever it wants,
> > pooping in my flower bed or kids' sandbox.
> >
> > I have barn cats, all dumped at our farm and subsequently neutered, but I
> > just can't buy into the catch, neuter and release. Before you label me a
> > cat hater, one of my favorite critters is our cat Giblet who arrived at my
> > father's back door last Thanksgiving, ate the giblets, and a week later
> > was a permanent fixture. He actually thinks he's a dog, but whatever...
> >
> > Laurel
> >
> >
> >
> > The Shouvlins
> > Bluebird Hills Farm
> > 3617 Derr Road
> > Springfield, Ohio 45503
> > 937-206-3936
> > www.bluebirdhills.com
> > bluebirdhills@
> >
> > > Actually, feral cats are VERY
> > healthy. I do feral rescues and have never
> > > even one time
> > trapped, neutered and spayed any cat that tested positive
> > >
> > for
> > > leukemia. It is pretty easy to keep them healthy, they
> > have hybrid
> > > vigor.
> > > All you need to do is make sure
> > they are neutered/spayed/shots and keep
> > > their bedding sprayed
> > with flea spray or sprinkle feed-quality
> > > diatomaceous
> > >
> > earth on it. They make great mousers and you won't have to handle
> > them.
> > > It not really fair to keep house cats outside, the
> > average lifespan of an
> > > outdoor cat is only 2-3 years, vs the
> > 13-15 year lifespan of an indoor
> > > cat.
> > > If you have
> > ferals in the area, they are more coyote and dog-savvy.
> > >
> > >
> > > Susan Olson
> > > Alpaca Loco
> > > Riverside,
> > CA
> >
>

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Questions about barn cats

 



I have to agree with Laurel 100% regarding releasing feral cats. Sterilization does not resolve the destructive nature of these cats. We used to live on a lake and a colony (17 or more) took up residence along the lake. Mallard ducks, Canadian Geese, Squirrels, Rabbits, Morning Doves, Robins, Blue Jays, Cardinals, neighbors leg (28 stitches caused by a fleeing cat's claws inadvertently blocked in a shed), and my wife's hand and dogs nose were only a few of the casualties to feral cats. When I talk about casualties, I mean complete decimation of wildlife in two years - no nesting birds, no squirrels, rabbits, and the waterfowl avoided our area of the lake.

Please reconsider the impact and do not release.

The last time I made a public appeal regarding feral cats we received calls day and night telling us they would kill us for our stand. Never understood how one could not kill a cat but killing a person was ok....

Michael Morack
Waukesha, WI
[262] 970 - 9633

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Bluebird Hills Farm" <bluebirdhills@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I hate to stir the pot, but..
> Having accidentally bushogged several feral cats over the years, I do not
> agree with the neuter release program. They get in fights with my cats and
> they decimate songbird populations. I have never understood why cats seem
> to have favor with animal control. I get fined $300 for my LGD being off
> the farm, while cute fluffy is free to roam and kill wherever it wants,
> pooping in my flower bed or kids' sandbox.
>
> I have barn cats, all dumped at our farm and subsequently neutered, but I
> just can't buy into the catch, neuter and release. Before you label me a
> cat hater, one of my favorite critters is our cat Giblet who arrived at my
> father's back door last Thanksgiving, ate the giblets, and a week later
> was a permanent fixture. He actually thinks he's a dog, but whatever...
>
> Laurel
>
>
>
> The Shouvlins
> Bluebird Hills Farm
> 3617 Derr Road
> Springfield, Ohio 45503
> 937-206-3936
> www.bluebirdhills.com
> bluebirdhills@...
>
> > Actually, feral cats are VERY
> healthy. I do feral rescues and have never
> > even one time
> trapped, neutered and spayed any cat that tested positive
> >
> for
> > leukemia. It is pretty easy to keep them healthy, they
> have hybrid
> > vigor.
> > All you need to do is make sure
> they are neutered/spayed/shots and keep
> > their bedding sprayed
> with flea spray or sprinkle feed-quality
> > diatomaceous
> >
> earth on it. They make great mousers and you won't have to handle
> them.
> > It not really fair to keep house cats outside, the
> average lifespan of an
> > outdoor cat is only 2-3 years, vs the
> 13-15 year lifespan of an indoor
> > cat.
> > If you have
> ferals in the area, they are more coyote and dog-savvy.
> >
> >
> > Susan Olson
> > Alpaca Loco
> > Riverside,
> CA
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Questions about barn cats

 

I hate to stir the pot, but.. Having accidentally bushogged several feral cats over the years, I do not agree with the neuter release program. They get in fights with my cats and they decimate songbird populations. I have never understood why cats seem to have favor with animal control. I get fined $300 for my LGD being off the farm, while cute fluffy is free to roam and kill wherever it wants, pooping in my flower bed or kids' sandbox. I have barn cats, all dumped at our farm and subsequently neutered, but I just can't buy into the catch, neuter and release. Before you label me a cat hater, one of my favorite critters is our cat Giblet who arrived at my father's back door last Thanksgiving, ate the giblets, and a week later was a permanent fixture. He actually thinks he's a dog, but whatever... Laurel
The Shouvlins
Bluebird Hills Farm
3617 Derr Road
Springfield, Ohio 45503
937-206-3936
www.bluebirdhills.com
bluebirdhills@voyager.net

> Actually, feral cats are VERY healthy. I do feral rescues and have never
> even one time trapped, neutered and spayed any cat that tested positive
> for
> leukemia. It is pretty easy to keep them healthy, they have hybrid
> vigor.
> All you need to do is make sure they are neutered/spayed/shots and keep
> their bedding sprayed with flea spray or sprinkle feed-quality
> diatomaceous
> earth on it. They make great mousers and you won't have to handle them.
> It not really fair to keep house cats outside, the average lifespan of an
> outdoor cat is only 2-3 years, vs the 13-15 year lifespan of an indoor
> cat.
> If you have ferals in the area, they are more coyote and dog-savvy.
>
>
> Susan Olson
> Alpaca Loco
> Riverside, CA

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Questions about barn cats

 

Actually, feral cats are VERY healthy.  I do feral rescues and have never even one time trapped, neutered and spayed any cat that tested positive for leukemia.  It is pretty easy to keep them healthy, they have hybrid vigor.  All you need to do is make sure they are neutered/spayed/shots and keep their bedding sprayed with flea spray or sprinkle feed-quality diatomaceous earth on it.  They make great mousers and you won't have to handle them.  It not really fair to keep house cats outside, the average lifespan of an outdoor cat is only 2-3 years, vs the 13-15 year lifespan of an indoor cat.  If you have ferals in the area, they are more coyote and dog-savvy.
 

Susan Olson
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

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