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Monday, October 05, 2009

[AlpacaTalk] Re: Poll or survey of members opinion regarding some 'value added' items

 

To touch on a few (b/c I don't have time to answer all!), BVD-free farm and testing is a given, as is ARI registration unless it is a fiber/companion, then it is a plus, but it wouldn't influence a purchase. Chipped doesn't matter to me, they are $11 and I do them myself, but may matter if it is a newbie or has to be transported across state lines, then it is a perk. To me, unless it is a fiber/companion, conformation and bit must be correct, so having it is assumed, not having it is a negative (as opposed to having correct conformation/bite being a positive, if that makes sense). If they are REALLY well put together, that is worth mentioning.

As for the rest of your questions, pedigree, fiber characteristics, color and appearance type, Most of those are too subjective to say one has more value than another. For example--Full Peruvian matters to some, while others prefer full Chilean, a mix, or only want Accoyo--it is really, what are you breeding and who is your market. Same with color--I may like whites who throw color, but a white breeder wants a white out of whites who only throws whites. Some people in the south seem to breed for fineness over density b/c of the heat and care a little less about leg and face fiber, while northerners breed for both and want lots of coverage. And a lot of it is just marketing hype--most of the winners at shows up here lately have fully fleeced "fiber blinded" faces. I think that is silly. But it is trendy (and may or may not have anything to do with how dense the blanket is). Personally I like typey b/c I think they're cute, but if the animal has the right conformation and great fiber, it wouldn't influence my decision. And they mostly grow out of that teddy bear look in a few years anyway.

On the other hand, things like having a good well rounded stable of herdsires, lots of experience, marketing opportunities, learning opportunities etc., is a huge plus in my book, particularly when targeting newer farmers. Herd size can be important b/c it offers variety, but a small farm can also have variety, plus maybe more handled animals or a specialization, and is probably less important if selling to people who already have alpacas--and can be less intimidating.

Hope this helps,
Morgen Bowers
Dreamwood Farm
Claverack, NY

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "farmer_mam" <mam2@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Talker's...We are attempting to access various aspects with regard to Huacaya Alapcas. I would like to present a list of these items and request you offer an opinion the value they provide a specific animal for sale. I am not placing these upon any one animal in particular, just attempting to access the relative contributive value of each component. OK, so get to it ....right?
>
> If the animal is from a BVD negative farm?
> If the animal is BVD negative tested?
> If the animal is ARI registered?
> If the animal is AVID chipped? Insert Destron or other chip for AVID when necessary.
> If the animal is a show winner? Single, multiple, red, white, or blue?
> If the animal has pedigree? I know all animals have pedigree, but what value might add or detract for various types of pedigree.
> Color?
> Fleece? Which characteristics adds more value? Fineness? Crimp? Density? Color?
> Conformation? What characteristics add the most value? in order of value...teeth, tail, ears, back, legs....
> General appearance? Teddy bear? Doberman? Stocky? Tall? Delicate?
>
> OK and now the catchall - what did I miss? Animals port of export? Peruvian? Chilean? Bolivian?
> The sellers Farm? Herd size?
>
> We are attempting to see the market components more than the value of a specific animal. Sharing your ideas will we think benefit not just us but everyone who reads these posts. We appreciate your efforts in advance and if shyness prevents you from posting here please call us or email us privately.
>
> Thank you, Michael
> Michael and Margery A. Morack
> Greenbriar Farm
> 262.970.9633
> MAM.OPENHERD.COM
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Poll or survey of members opinion regarding some 'value added' items

 

Hi Michael,

I don't have time to answer all questions in detail, as I'm heading off to work, but I will say that the first 4 are not "value added" any more. They are required as a condition of sale today. All are required to transport, and buyers expect that they are done prior to sale.

Obviously many high placings denote higher quality in fleece and conformation, so makes the animal worth more.

I'll be back this evening to answer the rest. :)


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Oct 5, 2009, at 6:41 AM, farmer_mam wrote:

Hello Talker's...We are attempting to access various aspects with regard to Huacaya Alapcas. I would like to present a list of these items and request you offer an opinion the value they provide a specific animal for sale. I am not placing these upon any one animal in particular, just attempting to access the relative contributive value of each component. OK, so get to it ....right?

If the animal is from a BVD negative farm?
If the animal is BVD negative tested?
If the animal is ARI registered?
If the animal is AVID chipped? Insert Destron or other chip for AVID when necessary.
If the animal is a show winner? Single, multiple, red, white, or blue?
If the animal has pedigree? I know all animals have pedigree, but what value might add or detract for various types of pedigree.
Color?
Fleece? Which characteristics adds more value? Fineness? Crimp? Density? Color?
Conformation? What characteristics add the most value? in order of value...teeth, tail, ears, back, legs....
General appearance? Teddy bear? Doberman? Stocky? Tall? Delicate?

OK and now the catchall - what did I miss? Animals port of export? Peruvian? Chilean? Bolivian?
The sellers Farm? Herd size? 

We are attempting to see the market components more than the value of a specific animal. Sharing your ideas will we think benefit not just us but everyone who reads these posts. We appreciate your efforts in advance and if shyness prevents you from posting here please call us or email us privately.

Thank you, Michael
Michael and Margery A. Morack
Greenbriar Farm
262.970.9633
MAM.OPENHERD.COM

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[AlpacaTalk] Poll or survey of members opinion regarding some 'value added' items

 

Hello Talker's...We are attempting to access various aspects with regard to Huacaya Alapcas. I would like to present a list of these items and request you offer an opinion the value they provide a specific animal for sale. I am not placing these upon any one animal in particular, just attempting to access the relative contributive value of each component. OK, so get to it ....right?

If the animal is from a BVD negative farm?
If the animal is BVD negative tested?
If the animal is ARI registered?
If the animal is AVID chipped? Insert Destron or other chip for AVID when necessary.
If the animal is a show winner? Single, multiple, red, white, or blue?
If the animal has pedigree? I know all animals have pedigree, but what value might add or detract for various types of pedigree.
Color?
Fleece? Which characteristics adds more value? Fineness? Crimp? Density? Color?
Conformation? What characteristics add the most value? in order of value...teeth, tail, ears, back, legs....
General appearance? Teddy bear? Doberman? Stocky? Tall? Delicate?

OK and now the catchall - what did I miss? Animals port of export? Peruvian? Chilean? Bolivian?
The sellers Farm? Herd size?

We are attempting to see the market components more than the value of a specific animal. Sharing your ideas will we think benefit not just us but everyone who reads these posts. We appreciate your efforts in advance and if shyness prevents you from posting here please call us or email us privately.

Thank you, Michael
Michael and Margery A. Morack
Greenbriar Farm
262.970.9633
MAM.OPENHERD.COM

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