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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Dogs? Coyotes? killed my only 3 females alpacas left, help with



Oh how terrible...
I am so sorry for your loss, what a horrible tragedy. Please know that our little ranch is thinking about you tonight, and wishing for happier days ahead. There is nothing that can prepare you for the emotional devastation of losing an alpaca, we have lost our share over the 10 years we have been around, and I remember one in particular that put me into a deep depression. I can't imagine what it is like to lose three at the same time.
Blessings and prayers are being sent your way.
Slainte~
Rachelle

Black Magic Alpaca Ranch
Honesty, Integrity, Quality
Wyatt & Rachelle Black
P.O. Box 457
6500 Digier Road
Lebec, CA
93243
(661-248-6568)
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http://pasturemusings.blogspot.com

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> > I have lost 3 of my females in the last two years. One to cancer,
> > one to undeveloped lungs, and one to a throat abcess. Sometime last
> > night I lost the last three females that I had left. I went out and
> > ones throat was tore open, and the other two were chewed on the
> > rear end. Was this dogs? Coyotes? I don't know what to do. The vet
> > said it was probaly dogs, the cops said it was probaly coyotes.
> > These animals were a huge part of my life. They were not only my
> > only hope of retirement, they were a huge part of my heart. I loved
> > these animals so much. I am so heartbroken I can barely stop
> > crying. I had llamas in with them and in surronding pastures. I
> > still owe money on these animals and I don't have anything left now
> > of my dream except for my 2 males. I am sorry to keep going on. We
> > are self employed and my husband said there was no way to replace
> > them. My dream is gone because of some dogs or coyotes. Thank
> > everyone for any info in advance and for listening. God Bless.

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Dogs? Coyotes? killed my only 3 females alpacas left



Thank you so much Dennis. You don't know what it means to me to have all of your thoughts and best wishes. And it really moves me that you would like to help with donations. I hope my insurance will pay, but like I said they are trying there best not to because they have had to pay for my other 3 girls I lost the last 2 years. I really want to buy a couple of new girls, but I am scared that I will only get someone else's problems like I did the first go around. And that is the reason my husband is so leery about buying more, besides not having the finances. We own a small business and it has really been hit hard by the economy. If anyone has any girls that are young and bred, please let me know. I hope with all of my heart that I can buy a couple more girls. It was so heartbreaking going back to the barn today. I also woke up this morning and realized what had happened and cryed because for a few hours I forgot. Thank you everyone for understanding and God Bless.

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From: Dennis Parker <denniswparker@yahoo.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:15 pm
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Dogs? Coyotes? killed my only 3 females alpacas left

This hits real close to home, Wendy.?I am so very sorry for your loss. I tend to agree with the rest that it was likely dogs. We recently had a "near miss" with 3 pit bulls getting to our whole herd. They were happened to be confined for a few days while we prepared to move and the structures taken down by the snow were unavailable. They weren't completely trapped in the barn, but the outside field they had access to did not provide much in the way of protection by running it was so small. The 3 pit bulls tore up the barn door trying to get in, but didn't get through fortunately. My border collie was trapped in his kennel, again, fortunately, and his abnormally loud and distinctive bark alerted the neighbor who happened to be home from work that day. When she got out, she saw the 3 pit bulls attacking our other neighbor's horse. She didn't think about her next move, she just yelled at them as loud as she could, and they stopped the attack and came over
to her calmly. She captured all three pit bulls single-handedly. She is a real hero to us. The horse eventually succumbed to the infections from his injuries, and the dogs were euthanized with the owner's consent. The owners ended up with about $15,000 bill for the horse and vet costs, but it could have been much more had they gotten my animals. It could have been much worse if our neighbor wasn't home.

We have since moved and are soon going to announce plans for the new location. Expect more information in a coming Friday advertising day very soon. :)

Again, I just wanted to let you know that I feel your pain and if you find it in your heart to continue the business in the future, I would like to help in some fashion in finding some donations from the community or other avenues to help you replace as much as we can. I know most of us on this list have animals for sale and times are tough so the deals are out there.

Go through the mourning process some more and please let us know how you are doing, and how we can help out. You have a very supportive community here.

Take care of yourself,
Dennis
Fancy Fiber Farm
(Note: We have moved, but the website has not been updated, yet)
9910 NE Cedar Creek Road
Woodland, WA 98674
360-225-SPIN (7746)?
http://fancyfiber.com

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Dogs? Coyotes? killed my only 3 females alpacas left, help with any information



Wendy,

I am so sorry for your loss. I would be right there with you crying. I feel so sick about even hearing what happened. Most insurance policies cover dog attacks. (not that it lessens the loss of your animals, but I hope it helps at giving you hope for a future with more alpacas)

Best regards,
Jill
Saxonburg, PA

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> Just Thank you for being their. When I told some people today what happened, they looked at me like I was crazy for crying over an animal. It helps alot to know I can come here and talk to other people that understand. Thank you so much.
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> From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@...>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:17 am
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Dogs? Coyotes? killed my only 3 females alpacas left, help with any information
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> Wilkins, I imagine that unless you had a "named peril" policy, that
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> Please don't give up. I remember hearing about some people who lost
> their entire herd to roaming neighborhood dogs a few years ago. It
> took a while to recover emotionally, but they have alpacas again.
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> I wish there was something I could say...
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> Heather
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> On Apr 20, 2009, at 10:02 PM, wnunezcruz wrote:
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> > Sorry for the lack of information, I live in Lebanon, TN. The dogs
> > or coyotes broke through some of my fence in the back and went
> > under the gate into the girls field. I do have insurance on one of
> > my girls but they told me they need to check to see if she is
> > covered under "dog attacks". Thank you for listening and the kind
> > words. Wendy Cruz, Humming B Alpacas.
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Oh, Wendy, what a horrible horrible thing to wake up to. I am just
sitting here in shock.
For the past few days for some reason I have been having thoughts about
how easy it would be for roaming dogs to breach my outer fences and get
to my inner fences with the alpacas. I have never worried about this
before, but now will be.

I have an acquaintance that lives relatively close by; he has horses
mostly, but picked up a llama a few years ago at auction. He loved that
girl. I say loved because a year or so ago I ran into him and asked him
how it was going and if he ever got her a companion which I had been
begging him to do for her mental health. He told that a neighbors 2
dogs had chewed her to pieces one night. He came out to a similar sight
to what you have described - chewed up her rear end - which I assume
means she was trying to get away, but there were 2 of them and only 1 of
her. It is heartbreaking beyond words. Which also makes me question
the whole guard llama thing. I don't see how a llama can protect
against dogs. And you say you had llamas in with your alpacas as well.
If at all possible I would be securing them at night and anytime you are
not home.

My own 2 german shepards went after my young female tons of years ago
when my dd was about 3yo and left a gate open. I was here alone,
holding onto to her and kicking the crap out of my dogs screaming at the
top of my lungs. There were 2 of them and they were going after her in
a frenzy. She was crying. I knew if I let her go she would start
running and they would take her down. It was a most horrible
experience. She and I managed to get ourselves over next to the
chicken pen, gate, kicking the dogs all the way, and when we did I
opened it and shoved her in. I love my dogs, they are my babies too,
but I wanted to kill them right there. I couldn't bear to even be
around them for the longest time. I loaded her up in my car and
carried her to the vet, she walked in on a lead rope, bleeding
profusely, and charmed the entire place. Some stitches and a lot of
antibiotics and she survived thank god.
So my bet, along with everyone else, is dogs.

I had 2 attacks here last summer - bobcat is my best guess. 2 separate
incidents leaving 2 severely injured alpacas behind. It clearly was not
after them, they just happened to be in the way. What the predator got
was a duck - I had only left the ducks out 2 nights when the 1st attack
happened. I knew whatever it was must be patrolling the area
regularly. And yes, once they "score" they will be coming back. Please
listen to what the others are telling you and be prepared to nail these
guys. The owners need to know. Out here in the country where I live
people shoot dogs that go after their livestock, even chickens. I make
sure my dogs are secure at all times for that reason.

I got home very late the other night after driving from Atlanta in
driving rain about 10 min in front of a tornado that touched down I
learned the next day. Very harrowing. Finally got home safe well after
midnight and as my dd and I were putting the animals to bed in the hard
rain we could not find the ducks.....and the mama alpaca and her baby
were laying out in the pouring rain next to the fence where the others
were. Totally unlike her not to be in the barn with the little one in
the storm. I was freaked out as I just knew something foul was afoot.
I had given up and was heartbroken to lose my ducks. We did finally
find the ducks thank goodness, or rather they found us. Like you and
Heather and so many on this group, *any* animal loss is a grievous
loss. I cannot imagine *anyone* faulting you for crying over your
precious babies. This is a severe shock to your system; on so many
levels. There is no exaggerating this horrible grievous loss. What you
have witnessed is unbelievably hard and tragic. I have buried many
myself and have taken each loss very very hard. I still cry over the
losses when I can't help but remember. I cannot even begin to imagine
what sort of shape you are in. *I* am in shock just reading about it.

I do not know where in TN you are, but I am in NW GA and would be happy
to offer a shoulder to cry on; a hand to hold you up. Please call -
706-234-2862.

And don't give up. Catch these culprits. I love dogs and dogs will be
dogs; their owners are at fault here. They need a rude awakening. Once
you get that little chore taken care of it will be a healing of sorts.
Then tackle those fences. Once you get to that point, let us know. We
have on this list a woman relatively close by who does llama and alpaca
rescue and is always needing foster homes and homes. She has never, to
my knowledge, shared that on list, so I will not out her, but when you
are ready I can put you in touch. I know once I get my fences secure
and get another pasture fenced I will be taking in fosters and of course
keeping them :-).

Oh Wendy, a big huge sobbing hug,
Janice

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[AlpacaTalk] Dogs? Coyotes? killed my only 3 females alpacas left



This hits real close to home, Wendy. I am so very sorry for your loss. I tend to agree with the rest that it was likely dogs. We recently had a "near miss" with 3 pit bulls getting to our whole herd. They were happened to be confined for a few days while we prepared to move and the structures taken down by the snow were unavailable. They weren't completely trapped in the barn, but the outside field they had access to did not provide much in the way of protection by running it was so small. The 3 pit bulls tore up the barn door trying to get in, but didn't get through fortunately. My border collie was trapped in his kennel, again, fortunately, and his abnormally loud and distinctive bark alerted the neighbor who happened to be home from work that day. When she got out, she saw the 3 pit bulls attacking our other neighbor's horse. She didn't think about her next move, she just yelled at them as loud as she could, and they stopped the attack and came over
to her calmly. She captured all three pit bulls single-handedly. She is a real hero to us. The horse eventually succumbed to the infections from his injuries, and the dogs were euthanized with the owner's consent. The owners ended up with about $15,000 bill for the horse and vet costs, but it could have been much more had they gotten my animals. It could have been much worse if our neighbor wasn't home.

We have since moved and are soon going to announce plans for the new location. Expect more information in a coming Friday advertising day very soon. :)

Again, I just wanted to let you know that I feel your pain and if you find it in your heart to continue the business in the future, I would like to help in some fashion in finding some donations from the community or other avenues to help you replace as much as we can. I know most of us on this list have animals for sale and times are tough so the deals are out there.

Go through the mourning process some more and please let us know how you are doing, and how we can help out. You have a very supportive community here.

Take care of yourself,
Dennis
Fancy Fiber Farm
(Note: We have moved, but the website has not been updated, yet)
9910 NE Cedar Creek Road
Woodland, WA 98674
360-225-SPIN (7746) 
http://fancyfiber.com

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Dogs? Coyotes? killed my only 3 females alpacas left, help with any information



I'm so sorry for your loss! That must be horrible to wake up to.
Along with any other suggestions about fencing etc, get as many livestock guardian dogs as you can! We have several Great Pyrenees...started out with 2...and we have never had an attack in 9 years. We have stray dogs, coyotes, black bear, and cougar in our area. A cougar killed some calves in a neighbor's pasture that is visible from our front porch, but we never even knew it was around because of our Pyrs on guard. We noticed that the Pyrs were guarding more in the direction of the neighbor's pasture but we had no idea what was happening until the neighbor stopped and told us a couple of weeks later.

And don't give up...there are some really good buys right now.

Cynthia
www.alpacanation.com/thepacaplace.asp

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> I have lost 3 of my females in the last two years. One to cancer, one to undeveloped lungs, and one to a throat abcess. Sometime last night I lost the last three females that I had left. I went out and ones throat was tore open, and the other two were chewed on the rear end. Was this dogs? Coyotes? I don't know what to do.

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Wendy,
I am in Hohenwald TN but when I lived in New York I had the same thing happen to me by two pit bulls.  Coyotes only kill for food and would not leave the animals behind or would have eaten what they could.  I know it is hard now but you need as many pictures of the scene now so if you can prove who own the dogs you can take them to court and get them to replace your girls.  In my case the dogs did come back so you may have to be watching for them.
I had insurance and yes you should be covered but in my case when they heard we hired a lawyer and were going after the owners they jumped right in and we had to pay back what they gave us so I know longer have my animals insured.  I figured if I have insurance and something does happen and I have to pay them back why have them insured.  And yes I did win in court so do what you can to collect all you can now. 
I lived in hell for the first year after the attack. I started with 8 and only came home from the hospital with 3 so that first year we never left them alone.  Someone was always home and we locked them up at night and it was still hard.
Sorry for going on but this is something that should never happen if people would just keep their dogs under control.  If you need more information on what you should be doing or just to talk feel free to give me a call Wendy. Time will make it easier.
Anne
931-796-4071

 

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From: wnunezcruz <wnunezcruz@aol.com>
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Dogs? Coyotes? killed my only 3 females alpacas left, help with any information
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 10:49 PM

I have lost 3 of my females in the last two years. One to cancer, one to undeveloped lungs, and one to a throat abcess. Sometime last night I lost the last three females that I had left. I went out and ones throat was tore open, and the other two were chewed on the rear end. Was this dogs? Coyotes? I don't know what to do. The vet said it was probaly dogs, the cops said it was probaly coyotes. These animals were a huge part of my life. They were not only my only hope of retirement, they were a huge part of my heart. I loved these animals so much. I am so heartbroken I can barely stop crying. I had llamas in with them and in surronding pastures. I still owe money on these animals and I don't have anything left now of my dream except for my 2 males. I am sorry to keep going on. We are self employed and my husband said there was no way to replace them. My dream is gone because of some dogs or coyotes. Thank everyone for any info in advance and for
listening. God Bless.

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I am so very sorry for your loss and the pain you are feeling. I've lost some animals along the way, crias only with the alpacas, but every life is so very special. You sound like a true 'animal person' and for those of us who connect with them, it is difficult to lose them. My life is empty if I don't have animal energy in my life. It's just the way it is for us. I do know that your pain will lighten a bit as time goes on, though right now it may not seem possible.

Here in Ohio, if you can get the animal warden to document that it was coyotes, you may be able to recover at least a little of the money from the state. I don't know any of the details, but I do know there are situations where it may be possible. As much as we love our animals, there is the real side of money with them, too. If there is any way to swing it, now is the time to buy. For just 2-3K you can get a bred female. She may not be the absolute best, but she can breed up. The economy sucks for those of us finding ourselves on fixed incomes, but you never know what kind of a deal is waiting for you. I am convinced that the market for our alpacas will get better in the future........it's just that right now it's rough times for everybody........and that's why there are such deals to be had. Right now might not be the best time to consider much of anything outside of healing yourself of your emotional pain, though. So be gentle with yourself and don't try to rush anything.

Hang in there......I'm sure we all are with you and support you and wish you only the best.

Susan

Susan Forman
Dewey Morning Alpacas
Washington Court House, OH 43160
740-636-1899
http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
Home of Huey, Louie, and Dewey!

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The dogs will be back and it was dogs that killed your alpacas have a bright light and a camera ready.  They are someones pets. coyotes and wild dogs eat what they kill. Unkept pets kill for fun.
 
I feel your sorrow and pain
 
Jim

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From: wnunezcruz <wnunezcruz@aol.com>
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Dogs? Coyotes? killed my only 3 females alpacas left, help with any information
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 11:49 PM

I have lost 3 of my females in the last two years. One to cancer, one to undeveloped lungs, and one to a throat abcess. Sometime last night I lost the last three females that I had left. I went out and ones throat was tore open, and the other two were chewed on the rear end. Was this dogs? Coyotes? I don't know what to do. The vet said it was probaly dogs, the cops said it was probaly coyotes. These animals were a huge part of my life. They were not only my only hope of retirement, they were a huge part of my heart. I loved these animals so much. I am so heartbroken I can barely stop crying. I had llamas in with them and in surronding pastures. I still owe money on these animals and I don't have anything left now of my dream except for my 2 males. I am sorry to keep going on. We are self employed and my husband said there was no way to replace them. My dream is gone because of some dogs or coyotes. Thank everyone for any info in advance and for
listening. God Bless.

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