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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Agistment Contract Question





Kathy;

I don't think that is even legal. More over, escrow isn't what it would be going into unless it is an estate or belongings of someone who passes and has to have their estate dealt with. If there is an issue with late funds or money owed , that would all have to be resolved by the parties in bringing the funds to current. If an animal is sold and there are fees still owed, you would be better off going to small claims court (doesn't cost much at all) and recovering what is owed to you plus court costs but keep in mind small claims will only allow $5,000 and under. I would guess you could do this even if there wasn't a sold animal. If there is more than one animal being agisted, it doesn't change anything other than the amount of money one is owed for the agisting service. As for the cria and taxes, you would have to talk to someone who knows how the taxes on that would work. My mom was going to school for animal law and contracts and actually offers a service of helping people out with things like this. However, what you are asking in your initial post is not legal nor does it have to do with escrow .

Maegan Blessing

Cedar Grove Alpacas, LLC

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From: "greenfleece60" <plooza@yahoo.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 12:25:15 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Agistment Contract Question

Is it common for a contract for agisting to include a requirement that if a boarded animal is sold the funds go into an non-interest-bearing escrow account that the boarding farm then draws subsequent boarding fees from?

What would the benefits be for the agistor?

Kathy Quinn
Clifton Heights, PA

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Agistment Contract Question




Yes, I think that's who I'll ask next...

Kathy Quinn
Clifton Heights, PA

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Judith Korff/Ladysong Farm <judithkorff@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Kathy -- I wouldn't have a clue! That's why God invented accountants. :-)
>
> Judith Korff
> LadySong Farm
> Music to Your Wallet
> Randolph, New York 14772
> Cell: (716) 499-0383
> www.alpacanation.com/ladysong.asp
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: greenfleece60 <plooza@...>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 4:08:40 PM
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Agistment Contract Question
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, I could see where it would be insurance for the boarding farm if there have been payment problems. Although since it is not an interest-bearing account, the funds are kind of tied up from the agistor's point of view and not available to earn any money just sitting in an account. Also, it is not possible to reinvest them into additional animals, although I guess the logic there is you might as well pay off what you owe first. I am not sure if an escrow account is a tax shelter or not. If it is, then it would be a benefit to the agistor in that the sale of a cria would result in capital gains taxes. Isn't that correct?
>
> Kathy Quinn
> Clifton Heights, PA
>
> --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com, Judith Korff/Ladysong Farm <judithkorff@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > I suppose if there are additional alpacas still being agisted by the same owner, and the owner has been late in paying agistment fees, the agistor might suggest some sort of arrangement to defray future fees and avoid further problems.
> >
> > Judith Korff
> > LadySong Farm
> > Music to Your Wallet
> > Randolph, New York 14772
> > Cell: (716) 499-0383
> > www.alpacanation. com/ladysong. asp
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: Patty Mattingly <patmar@>
> > To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 3:53:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Agistment Contract Question
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kathy,
> > That is a new one on me. I would imagine they would want the bill to be
> > paid up to date, but I can't understand why your sale proceeds would have to
> > go into an account for future bills. If you are uncomfortable with a
> > provision in the contract, ask for it to be explained. If after the
> > explanation you are still uncomfortable, ask for that provision to be
> > removed. If they are unwilling to remove it and you are not comfortable
> > with it, trust your instincts - They are probably right!
> >
> > Patty Mattingly
> > Nobella Alpacas
> > "Royal Treatment Reigns"
> > Leonardtown, MD
> > (240)925-6959
> > http://www.nobellaalpacas.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "greenfleece60" <plooza@yahoo. com>
> > To: <AlpacaTalk@ yahoogro ups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:25 PM
> > Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Agistment Contract Question
> >
> > > Is it common for a contract for agisting to include a requirement that if
> > > a boarded animal is sold the funds go into an non-interest- bearing escrow
> > > account that the boarding farm then draws subsequent boarding fees from?
> > >
> > > What would the benefits be for the agistor?
> > >
> > > Kathy Quinn
> > > Clifton Heights, PA
> > >
> > >
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Agistment Contract Question



Hi Kathy -- I wouldn't have a clue! That's why God invented accountants. :-)
 
Judith Korff
LadySong Farm
Music to Your Wallet
Randolph, New York 14772 
Cell: (716) 499-0383
www.alpacanation.com/ladysong.asp

________________________________
From: greenfleece60 <plooza@yahoo.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 4:08:40 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Agistment Contract Question

Yes, I could see where it would be insurance for the boarding farm if there have been payment problems. Although since it is not an interest-bearing account, the funds are kind of tied up from the agistor's point of view and not available to earn any money just sitting in an account. Also, it is not possible to reinvest them into additional animals, although I guess the logic there is you might as well pay off what you owe first. I am not sure if an escrow account is a tax shelter or not. If it is, then it would be a benefit to the agistor in that the sale of a cria would result in capital gains taxes. Isn't that correct?

Kathy Quinn
Clifton Heights, PA

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com, Judith Korff/Ladysong Farm <judithkorff@ ...> wrote:
>
> I suppose if there are additional alpacas still being agisted by the same owner, and the owner has been late in paying agistment fees, the agistor might suggest some sort of arrangement to defray future fees and avoid further problems.
>
> Judith Korff
> LadySong Farm
> Music to Your Wallet
> Randolph, New York 14772
> Cell: (716) 499-0383
> www.alpacanation. com/ladysong. asp
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Patty Mattingly <patmar@...>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 3:53:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Agistment Contract Question
>
>
>
>
>
> Kathy,
> That is a new one on me. I would imagine they would want the bill to be
> paid up to date, but I can't understand why your sale proceeds would have to
> go into an account for future bills. If you are uncomfortable with a
> provision in the contract, ask for it to be explained. If after the
> explanation you are still uncomfortable, ask for that provision to be
> removed. If they are unwilling to remove it and you are not comfortable
> with it, trust your instincts - They are probably right!
>
> Patty Mattingly
> Nobella Alpacas
> "Royal Treatment Reigns"
> Leonardtown, MD
> (240)925-6959
> http://www.nobellaalpacas.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "greenfleece60" <plooza@yahoo. com>
> To: <AlpacaTalk@ yahoogro ups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:25 PM
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Agistment Contract Question
>
> > Is it common for a contract for agisting to include a requirement that if
> > a boarded animal is sold the funds go into an non-interest- bearing escrow
> > account that the boarding farm then draws subsequent boarding fees from?
> >
> > What would the benefits be for the agistor?
> >
> > Kathy Quinn
> > Clifton Heights, PA
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------ --------- --------- ------
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> > Message posts are the opinion of individuals posting and are not
> > necessarily endorsed or approved by Yahoo! or the moderator of this group.
> > The purpose of this discussion group is to ensure that all points of view
> > can be aired. It is the responsbilty of all individuals who post to treat
> > others with respect and civility.Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Agistment Contract Question



Yes, I could see where it would be insurance for the boarding farm if there have been payment problems. Although since it is not an interest-bearing account, the funds are kind of tied up from the agistor's point of view and not available to earn any money just sitting in an account. Also, it is not possible to reinvest them into additional animals, although I guess the logic there is you might as well pay off what you owe first. I am not sure if an escrow account is a tax shelter or not. If it is, then it would be a benefit to the agistor in that the sale of a cria would result in capital gains taxes. Isn't that correct?

Kathy Quinn
Clifton Heights, PA

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Judith Korff/Ladysong Farm <judithkorff@...> wrote:
>
> I suppose if there are additional alpacas still being agisted by the same owner, and the owner has been late in paying agistment fees, the agistor might suggest some sort of arrangement to defray future fees and avoid further problems.
>
> Judith Korff
> LadySong Farm
> Music to Your Wallet
> Randolph, New York 14772
> Cell: (716) 499-0383
> www.alpacanation.com/ladysong.asp
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Patty Mattingly <patmar@...>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 3:53:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Agistment Contract Question
>
>
>
>
>
> Kathy,
> That is a new one on me. I would imagine they would want the bill to be
> paid up to date, but I can't understand why your sale proceeds would have to
> go into an account for future bills. If you are uncomfortable with a
> provision in the contract, ask for it to be explained. If after the
> explanation you are still uncomfortable, ask for that provision to be
> removed. If they are unwilling to remove it and you are not comfortable
> with it, trust your instincts - They are probably right!
>
> Patty Mattingly
> Nobella Alpacas
> "Royal Treatment Reigns"
> Leonardtown, MD
> (240)925-6959
> http://www.nobellaalpacas.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "greenfleece60" <plooza@yahoo. com>
> To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:25 PM
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Agistment Contract Question
>
> > Is it common for a contract for agisting to include a requirement that if
> > a boarded animal is sold the funds go into an non-interest- bearing escrow
> > account that the boarding farm then draws subsequent boarding fees from?
> >
> > What would the benefits be for the agistor?
> >
> > Kathy Quinn
> > Clifton Heights, PA
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------ --------- --------- ------
> >
> > Message posts are the opinion of individuals posting and are not
> > necessarily endorsed or approved by Yahoo! or the moderator of this group.
> > The purpose of this discussion group is to ensure that all points of view
> > can be aired. It is the responsbilty of all individuals who post to treat
> > others with respect and civility.Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Agistment Contract Question



I suppose if there are additional alpacas still being agisted by the same owner, and the owner has been late in paying agistment fees, the agistor might suggest some sort of arrangement to defray future fees and avoid further problems.  
 
Judith Korff
LadySong Farm
Music to Your Wallet
Randolph, New York 14772 
Cell: (716) 499-0383
www.alpacanation.com/ladysong.asp

________________________________
From: Patty Mattingly <patmar@erols.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 3:53:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Agistment Contract Question

Kathy,
That is a new one on me. I would imagine they would want the bill to be
paid up to date, but I can't understand why your sale proceeds would have to
go into an account for future bills. If you are uncomfortable with a
provision in the contract, ask for it to be explained. If after the
explanation you are still uncomfortable, ask for that provision to be
removed. If they are unwilling to remove it and you are not comfortable
with it, trust your instincts - They are probably right!

Patty Mattingly
Nobella Alpacas
"Royal Treatment Reigns"
Leonardtown, MD
(240)925-6959
http://www.nobellaalpacas.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "greenfleece60" <plooza@yahoo. com>
To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:25 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Agistment Contract Question

> Is it common for a contract for agisting to include a requirement that if
> a boarded animal is sold the funds go into an non-interest- bearing escrow
> account that the boarding farm then draws subsequent boarding fees from?
>
> What would the benefits be for the agistor?
>
> Kathy Quinn
> Clifton Heights, PA
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
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> others with respect and civility.Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Agistment Contract Question



Kathy,
That is a new one on me. I would imagine they would want the bill to be
paid up to date, but I can't understand why your sale proceeds would have to
go into an account for future bills. If you are uncomfortable with a
provision in the contract, ask for it to be explained. If after the
explanation you are still uncomfortable, ask for that provision to be
removed. If they are unwilling to remove it and you are not comfortable
with it, trust your instincts - They are probably right!

Patty Mattingly
Nobella Alpacas
"Royal Treatment Reigns"
Leonardtown, MD
(240)925-6959
http://www.nobellaalpacas.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "greenfleece60" <plooza@yahoo.com>
To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:25 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Agistment Contract Question

> Is it common for a contract for agisting to include a requirement that if
> a boarded animal is sold the funds go into an non-interest-bearing escrow
> account that the boarding farm then draws subsequent boarding fees from?
>
> What would the benefits be for the agistor?
>
> Kathy Quinn
> Clifton Heights, PA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Message posts are the opinion of individuals posting and are not
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> others with respect and civility.Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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[AlpacaTalk] Agistment Contract Question



Is it common for a contract for agisting to include a requirement that if a boarded animal is sold the funds go into an non-interest-bearing escrow account that the boarding farm then draws subsequent boarding fees from?

What would the benefits be for the agistor?

Kathy Quinn
Clifton Heights, PA

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] displaying fleeces at fiber festival



I just did a small craft fair where I put gallon baggies with smaller
fleece in them for sale. Just don't leave them in the sun, fleece sweats.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco

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[AlpacaTalk] displaying fleeces at fiber festival



Hi,
I am getting ready to have a vendor booth at a fiber festival this weekend, and have about 20 fleeces that I hope to sell there. Any recommendations on how to display the fleeces? I have 12" square shelves for displaying roving and fiber, but my large alpaca blanket fleeces are too big and I'm afraid they will spill over and fall out of the shelves. I was just going to put them on the floor in front of the tables (when I only had about 6 of my own fleeces to sell), but now I have too many that I'm afraid it will look cluttered (a friend brought some for me to sell for her). I was thinking about having samples displayed on the table (with tags giving the price per pound and the total weight of the fleece), and people can just ask to see the bag of fleece is they are interested. Any ideas on how to best display these small samples? I'm really not very good at the whole marketing thing (and haven't done very many fiber festivals yet), so I appreciate your help. Emaly

Emaly Leak
Autumn Hill Llamas & Fiber
Breeding, Show, and Pet Llamas For Sale
Outside Breedings Available to ALSA Halter Champion Herdsire
Llamas, Alpacas, & German Angora Rabbits
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