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Monday, January 07, 2008

Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: AOBA Shennanigans/subsidiary

Well, your implication that I opted out of something because I didn't
change defaults that I couldn't even find to change easily is a bit
misleading. There was no option to change that setting in the member
area of the account and last time I looked at the account info, well,
all that was there was my breeder id info.

Your implication that people are opting out of something they don't
even know is there is very misleading, and I doubt if all of those
people who haven't gone in to change defaults on some obscure place on
the ARI site will appreciate that implication. That's all.

Heather

On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:13 AM, sesamedame@aol.com wrote:

> >Hmmm. I don't recall opting out of anything in my ARI membership, and
> > <having just looked at my membership info online, I can't for the
> life
> > <of me find out what you're talking about or where to change
> whatever
> > it
> > <is you claim I have opted out of! Do tell, I'd love to change it
> > asap.
>
> Dear Heather......I was not implying that you were involved in
> anything
> deceptive or covert by 'opting' to not publish your ownership info.
> Just
> helping to clarify to you what another member had memtioned was
> missing from your
> ARI membership info. I believe in your 'Do tell' words, you were
> asking for
> clarification on what was being mentioned and how to change it. I was
> simply replying with information, not accusations of any sort.
>
> The definition of 'opt' is to make a choice. It doesn't matter what
> the
> default is.....you chose not to publish your info. As Rick said,
> we're all
> smart enough to track down an animal in most cases......it's just a
> convenience
> for possible customers to list complete info on the ARI website.
>
> I hope I've worded this post in a clear manner, leaving no possible
> innuendoes of slander or accusations as that's certainly not my
> intention.
>
> Carolyn Marquette,
>
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>
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posted by Chaddo at 6:25 PM 0 comments

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Introduction

Welcome Chris and Kara,

I have Huacayas. I chose them as I felt their fleece has more value
and the initial investment in the individual alpaca was less costly.
I also got lucky and just happened to get a great buy on a herd when
some people decided to move back to the city from rural Ohio. (They
just happened to move to rural Ohio and then Ohio had the worst
winter that they had in years, so these folks sold out and moved
before they even took delivery of their alpacas.)

I've heard that Suri can be more hardy in hot weather, but I don't
know if they really are or not.

I recommend that you get proven females that have never had issues
birthing or raising their cria. That doesn't guarantee that they
won't ever have issues in the future, but I think it can give one
some peace of mind knowing that at least the alpaca has been
successfully through the birthing process before.

Do you show your Ibizans or your Anatolians in UKC? I have Chinooks
and show with UKC quite a bit. I didn't know that Ibizans as had a
wire coated variety.

Books:

Hoffman: Caring for Llamas and Alpacas
Evans: ALPACA Field Manual
Smith, Timm and Long: Llama and Alpaca Neonatal Care
Bennett: The Camelid Companion

Joyce Maley
Hurricane Alpacas
http://www.alpacanation.com/hurricanealpacas.asp

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "alambre_ibizan_hounds"
<k_chizmar@...> wrote:
>
> Hello
> Just thought we would introduce ourselves. We are Chris & Kara
Chizmar
> and our daughter DeAnna. we live in Central Illinois on a small 3
acre
> farm with our dogs and horses. We have decided to get out of our
horses
> because we do not have the time to commit to the training they
require.
> Currently we are in the research phase with Alpacas. We are hoping
to
> get a couple of bred females this spring but first need to cram and
> learn as much as possible before we make the leap. So we will be
> lurking and learning for a while...with a possible question from
time
> to time.
> Just a few questions to start with: Do you have Suri or huacaya?
What
> made you decide what type of Alpaca you would have? Is there a
better
> one for the beginner? What book do you recommend? We are in the
> Midwest...are their any must see shows or seminars coming up?
> Thanks so much in advance
> Chris & Kara
> Alambre Ibizan Hounds
> &
> Anatolian Shepherds
> www.alambre.biz
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posted by Chaddo at 11:37 AM 0 comments

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Re: AOBA Shennanigans/subsidiary


I can't imagine what it must feel like to devote so many hours trouble shooting and working to promote this business with out being paid to do so and have people accuse you of devious undertakings. The BOD are also alpaca breeders. Why does anyone think they are purposely doing anything that is detrimental to AOBA (it's membership) Why anyone would take on this thankless job is beyond me but I do appreciate all the hard work performed by the BOD and applaud the recent court decision which came about because of their hard work. Flossie

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posted by Chaddo at 10:52 AM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: AOBA Shennanigans/subsidiary

>Hmmm. I don't recall opting out of anything in my ARI membership, and
> <having just looked at my membership info online, I can't for the life
> <of me find out what you're talking about or where to change whatever
> it
> <is you claim I have opted out of! Do tell, I'd love to change it
> asap.

Dear Heather......I was not implying that you were involved in anything
deceptive or covert by 'opting' to not publish your ownership info. Just
helping to clarify to you what another member had memtioned was missing from your
ARI membership info. I believe in your 'Do tell' words, you were asking for
clarification on what was being mentioned and how to change it. I was
simply replying with information, not accusations of any sort.

The definition of 'opt' is to make a choice. It doesn't matter what the
default is.....you chose not to publish your info. As Rick said, we're all
smart enough to track down an animal in most cases......it's just a convenience
for possible customers to list complete info on the ARI website.

I hope I've worded this post in a clear manner, leaving no possible
innuendoes of slander or accusations as that's certainly not my intention.

Carolyn Marquette,

PartyLite Gifts _PartyLite.com_ (http://www.partylite.us/)

The AlpacaRosa _www.TheAlpacaRosa.com_ (http://www.thealpacarosa.com/)
2251 Sesame St
Mogadore, OH 44260
330-699-2182
330-618-9769 cell

**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

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posted by Chaddo at 9:13 AM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: AOBA Shennanigans/subsidiary

Thanks for your reply, Rick, but I was actually asking Carolyn
Marquette what she was saying in her post. She's the one who remarked
that my account info was not published at ARI.

Yes, I did say shennanigans (a thousand pardons, I added an extra "n")
and I do call bullshit on this. It still looks bad and smells bad.

On the other hand, I doubt that anyone would want to "take down AOBA"
"because I can." That sounds like a complete fabrication to any
reasonable person.

Of course we all know where certain people's allegiances lie. But maybe
it's time that AOBA had new people running it. And maybe the BOD ought
to the completely accountable to the membership, not just "to a point"
as Steve Hull pointed out.

Heather

On Jan 6, 2008, at 9:25 PM, All American Alpacas wrote:

> Heather,
> I for one would not claim you, or anyone would be deceptive for not
> changing
> a default setting on ARI. Hey, I'm smart. I can google your alpacas
> and see
> who owns them.
> On the same note, you are the one that started the thread and used
> the terms
> "shennanigans" (sic) and said "I call bullshit on this" (your words,
> not
> mine.)
> They didn't hide it, it was in the minutes, Hey, I'm smart, I can read
> them. I received my first email from ALC in December when I renewed.
> The BOD is just a bunch of breeders that were willing to get off of
> their
> butts and work hard for the industry.
> They spent countless hours fighting frivolous lawsuits, tried to run
> their
> own farms, their family matters, and worked hard for our national
> organization.
> They didn't send an email when they followed council's advice on a
> way to
> save member's money.
> What a scandal, we did not elect perfect people. We settled for
> second best,
> those who had the member's best interests in mind. (Paraphrased from
> Romanik
> vs AOBA)
> Those in glass houses should not throw stones.
> I have no desire to enter a dialogue with you, but if you intend to
> attack
> the people that work their asses off for this industry and you want
> to play
> armchair quarterback, maybe you should try volunteering and seeing
> what it's
> like to wear a target.
>
> Rick
> --
> Rick & Pati Horn
> All American Alpacas
> Murrieta, Ca. 92563
> (951) 217-0306 Fax (951) 679-8696
> Life is Good!
> http://aaalpacas.com/identity.html
>
> > From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com>
> > Reply-To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:17:39 -0800
> > To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: AOBA Shennanigans/subsidiary
> >
> > And by the way, your implication that I have attempted to hide my
> > personal information is noted. I have not "opted out" of anything.
> That
> > is the default setting at ARI.
> >
> > I own an El Bello son, and while looking at his info at ARI, I
> noticed
> > El Bello has 4 owners, only one of whom has their account info
> > published. Are you also implying that those people who have not
> > selected to make that info public are deceptive and secretive and
> > somehow doing something questionable?
> >
> > Heather
> >
> > On Jan 2, 2008, at 4:48 AM, sesamedame@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> <Hmmm. I don't recall opting out of anything in my ARI membership,
> and
> >> <having just looked at my membership info online, I can't for the
> life
> >> <of me find out what you're talking about or where to change
> whatever
> >> it
> >> <is you claim I have opted out of! Do tell, I'd love to change it
> >> asap.
> >>
> >> You've opted not to include your name as owner of your animals
> within
> >> the
> >> ARI database. Instead of listing your name it says 'not published
> by
> >> owner'.
> >>
> >> This is a simple change made within your acount info.
> >>
> >> Carolyn Marquette
> >
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> >
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posted by Chaddo at 8:31 AM 0 comments