Re: Re : [AlpacaTalk] Advice

 

             Great job Laura!!!!!
 

Tina Travis  

Elkhorn Alpacas

31655 Elkhorn Glen

Warrenton,MO.63383

636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930

traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com

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From: Laura A. Roberts <laura0554@hughes.net>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 11:15:59 PM
Subject: RE: Re : [AlpacaTalk] Advice

 

            Your mention of your skin and bones girl made me thing of our old girl.  I bought her sight unseen and when she arrived, I was shocked to find her skin and bones.  She weighed 115 and her health records indicated her weight at 152 when healthy.  She was diagnosed with EPE….Mycoplasma Haemalama……(spelled wrong most likely) and treated with Biomycin.  This was last Fall…….she arrived at our farm Nov 1^st. 

            WELL, I am so happy to say she now weighs 146 and is STILL nursing her cria……who is long overdue for weaning.  Also, amazingly enough, she was bred before we got her and she is still pregnant. 

 

            Our vet says we did a great job in getting groceries back on her……….all while nursing a cria, battling our horribly cold winter and recovering from a serious blood bourn illness.

 

            These old gals are so much more sturdy then I ever considered!

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

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From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Judith Korff/Ladysong Farm
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 6:57 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: Re : [AlpacaTalk] Advice

 

 

Yes it is, until you find 2- and 3-year olds nursing on a dam who lets anybody in!  I have an older female who - up until I weaned her a month ago - was allowing her 2009 cria, her 2008 cria, her 2007 cria and her sister's 2007 and 2008 crias nurse - sometimes all at the same time!  There are times you couldn't find this gal in the crowd around her.  One of her nieces even tried to snag colostrum while she was delivering last summer!

 

It was very upsetting to watch and worry that the newest baby wasn't getting what she needed (although they all seem pretty healthy and hardy EXCEPT the nursing mom, who is nothing but skin and bones no matter how much supplement and other nutritional support she gets).  I've retired this dam because it's just too hard on her, and since she's already given me 7 crias - the last three girls - I think she deserves a rest. 

 

So yes, it's great to have a nanny when you have an orphan or a cria whose own dam doesn't have adequate milk; it's not so great when they harm themselves and jeopardize their current offspring in the process.
 

Judith Korff

LadySong Farm

Music to Your Wallet

Randolph, New York 14772 

Cell: (716) 499-0383

www.alpacanation. com/ladysong. asp

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RE: Re : [AlpacaTalk] Advice

 

            Your mention of your skin and bones girl made me thing of our old girl.  I bought her sight unseen and when she arrived, I was shocked to find her skin and bones.  She weighed 115 and her health records indicated her weight at 152 when healthy.  She was diagnosed with EPE….Mycoplasma Haemalama……(spelled wrong most likely) and treated with Biomycin.  This was last Fall…….she arrived at our farm Nov 1^st. 

            WELL, I am so happy to say she now weighs 146 and is STILL nursing her cria……who is long overdue for weaning.  Also, amazingly enough, she was bred before we got her and she is still pregnant. 

 

            Our vet says we did a great job in getting groceries back on her……….all while nursing a cria, battling our horribly cold winter and recovering from a serious blood bourn illness.

 

            These old gals are so much more sturdy then I ever considered!

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

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From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Judith Korff/Ladysong Farm
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 6:57 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re : [AlpacaTalk] Advice

 

 

Yes it is, until you find 2- and 3-year olds nursing on a dam who lets anybody in!  I have an older female who - up until I weaned her a month ago - was allowing her 2009 cria, her 2008 cria, her 2007 cria and her sister's 2007 and 2008 crias nurse - sometimes all at the same time!  There are times you couldn't find this gal in the crowd around her.  One of her nieces even tried to snag colostrum while she was delivering last summer!

 

It was very upsetting to watch and worry that the newest baby wasn't getting what she needed (although they all seem pretty healthy and hardy EXCEPT the nursing mom, who is nothing but skin and bones no matter how much supplement and other nutritional support she gets).  I've retired this dam because it's just too hard on her, and since she's already given me 7 crias - the last three girls - I think she deserves a rest. 

 

So yes, it's great to have a nanny when you have an orphan or a cria whose own dam doesn't have adequate milk; it's not so great when they harm themselves and jeopardize their current offspring in the process.
 

Judith Korff

LadySong Farm

Music to Your Wallet

Randolph, New York 14772 

Cell: (716) 499-0383

www.alpacanation.com/ladysong.asp

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Age

 

my old girl turned 17 last january and i'm not shearing her either - she only has about 2 inches as it is

Wendy

DreamWeaver Alpacas

Port Alberni BC

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From: Heather Zeleny

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Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:05 PM

Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Age

 

She'll be 17 this year. 

Heather

Heather Zeleny

White Lotus Alpacas

Oregon

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http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com

http://whitelotus.openherd.com

On May 2, 2010, at 11:58 AM, jelizabethfarms1@bellsouth.net wrote:

<<< To tell the truth I'm considering not shearing one of my huacayas
this year. She's very old and she suffered all winter from the cold.
Even at a full year's growth, she's only got 2" Poor old girl. But
she's got a great appetite, so she's not ready to go quite yet.

Heather>>>

What is considered "very old"?
Thanks! Janice

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Monsanto Brings Small Family Dairy to Court

 

Maybe we all should send this to our congressmen.

Sheri

Sheri Hewitt

Woodland Meadows, LLC

31542 Camas Swale Rd.

Creswell, OR 97426

541-895-0964

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On May 2, 2010, at 11:52 AM, jelizabethfarms1@bellsouth.net wrote:

This is just business as usual for Monsanto. As many of you know I 
am/was a small organic farmer. I have been following these battles for 
years. Monsanto is bringing the world to its knees. And no one in 
our gov't seems to care or be able or have the will to do anything about 
it. European countries stopped buying our corn years ago because it is 
GM, yet our gov't seems oblivious. No other country allows this in 
their food supply - except USA. What did "we" do? We just started 
mandating that all gasoline be at least 10% ethanol made from 
corn......to keep the price up (for corn) and made gasoline so unstable 
we can no longer store it and it gums up all our gasoline using 
equipment; my mechanic says not to leave gasoline in even a chain saw, 
etc for more than a week. It is set to go to 15% this year.

Monsanto has been suing small farmers for a long long time. Their seed 
is "protected" meaning you are not allowed to save it to grow the 
following year; farmers (that use those sorts of seed and products) are 
forced to purchase new seed each year. This is BIG business. Farmers 
that start down this path are enslaved. Their crops require ever 
higher levels of synthetic fertilizers and herbicides - which pleases 
Monsanto. Monsanto sends undercover folks out to gather samples from 
corn, soy and other crop fields; if some of their "protected" genetic 
material is found to exist in the gathered material the farmer is sued 
for infringement of copyright protected material. Organic farmers have 
been screaming for years that we cannot protect our crops from 
contamination of GM pollen; we weren't worried about being sued, we just 
didn't want our crops and seeds contaminated. A few organic farmers 
tried suing Monsanto for contaminating their crops.....all to no 
avail. Then Monsanto started suing them/us. One of many reasons I 
am no longer a farmer. The world has gone insane. 

Bees are declining, everyone knows that; no one seems to know why. They 
just don't want to face facts. What many sadly do not realize and it 
is not publicized is that all pollinators are suffering the same 
collapse. What many do not realize is it is (for the honey bees) a 
combination of the high fructose corn syrup (highly refined product made 
from GM corn) many beeks started using years ago because it is cheap and 
easy and they are greedy and want the bees to work hard for them; they 
don't want to share the bounty, so they feed their slaves the cheapest 
substitute they can find - HFCS (or white sugar which is bad enough, but 
not as bad as the HFCS because at least it is not yet made from GM 
crop), which weakens a system whether it be human or critter; a weakened 
system is then susceptible to more disease, (the answer to which is 
"treating" the bees with ever more chemicals further weakening the 
system and contaminating the wax comb where these chemicals accumulate 
and build up year after year) and cannot effectively fight off the 
assaults from all around them - hive beetles, mites, wax moths, ants, 
yellow jackets, etc which they have been dealing effectively with for 
many many years (they can even deal with a mouse that tries to set up 
housekeeping in their snug hive)and disease and the grandaddy of them 
all......GM crops producing Frankipollen which has tipped the scale so 
far that there is doubt the bees can continue.

Guess what? No bees, no humans or any other life form.
Thank you Monsanto.

Janice, getting off my soap box now

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Re: Re : [AlpacaTalk] Advice

 

            Would love to have a picture of that---FUNNY--until the female starts to loose.Time to seperate all them up!! What a good mom!!  She has given her share that is for sure!!!
 

Tina Travis  

Elkhorn Alpacas

31655 Elkhorn Glen

Warrenton,MO.63383

636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930

traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com

www.elkhornalpacas.com

 Alpacas are a rare treasure,

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From: Judith Korff/Ladysong Farm <judithkorff@yahoo.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 5:56:30 AM
Subject: Re: Re : [AlpacaTalk] Advice

 

Yes it is, until you find 2- and 3-year olds nursing on a dam who lets anybody in!  I have an older female who - up until I weaned her a month ago - was allowing her 2009 cria, her 2008 cria, her 2007 cria and her sister's 2007 and 2008 crias nurse - sometimes all at the same time!  There are times you couldn't find this gal in the crowd around her.  One of her nieces even tried to snag colostrum while she was delivering last summer!

 

It was very upsetting to watch and worry that the newest baby wasn't getting what she needed (although they all seem pretty healthy and hardy EXCEPT the nursing mom, who is nothing but skin and bones no matter how much supplement and other nutritional support she gets).  I've retired this dam because it's just too hard on her, and since she's already given me 7 crias - the last three girls - I think she deserves a rest. 

 

So yes, it's great to have a nanny when you have an orphan or a cria whose own dam doesn't have adequate milk; it's not so great when they harm themselves and jeopardize their current offspring in the process.
 

Judith Korff

LadySong Farm

Music to Your Wallet

Randolph, New York 14772 

Cell: (716) 499-0383

www.alpacanation. com/ladysong. asp

 

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From: Tina Travis <traviselkhornalpaca s@yahoo.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 2:38:31 AM
Subject: Re: Re : [AlpacaTalk] Advice

 

         I have had several moms nurse others crias--it is great to have xtra moms in a herd.

Tina Travis  

Elkhorn Alpacas

31655 Elkhorn Glen

Warrenton,MO. 63383

636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930

traviselkhornalpaca s@yahoo.com

www.elkhornalpacas. com

 Alpacas are a rare treasure,

 one that I like to share!!!!

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From: "barngirrl@aol. com" <barngirrl@aol. com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 1:32:11 AM
Subject: Re: Re : [AlpacaTalk] Advice

 

The moms don't let other babies nurse, they rudely push them away.  One piggy baby tries a few moms before going back to his own - I think he's greedy.  LOL

 

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA
http://www.openherd .com/FarmPage. aspx?Farm= 433

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Age

 

She'll be 17 this year. 

Heather

Heather Zeleny

White Lotus Alpacas

Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com

http://whitelotus.openherd.com

On May 2, 2010, at 11:58 AM, jelizabethfarms1@bellsouth.net wrote:

<<< To tell the truth I'm considering not shearing one of my huacayas
this year. She's very old and she suffered all winter from the cold.
Even at a full year's growth, she's only got 2" Poor old girl. But
she's got a great appetite, so she's not ready to go quite yet.

Heather>>>

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[AlpacaTalk] Age

 

<<< To tell the truth I'm considering not shearing one of my huacayas
this year. She's very old and she suffered all winter from the cold.
Even at a full year's growth, she's only got 2" Poor old girl. But
she's got a great appetite, so she's not ready to go quite yet.

Heather>>>

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Monsanto Brings Small Family Dairy to Court

 

This is just business as usual for Monsanto. As many of you know I
am/was a small organic farmer. I have been following these battles for
years. Monsanto is bringing the world to its knees. And no one in
our gov't seems to care or be able or have the will to do anything about
it. European countries stopped buying our corn years ago because it is
GM, yet our gov't seems oblivious. No other country allows this in
their food supply - except USA. What did "we" do? We just started
mandating that all gasoline be at least 10% ethanol made from
corn......to keep the price up (for corn) and made gasoline so unstable
we can no longer store it and it gums up all our gasoline using
equipment; my mechanic says not to leave gasoline in even a chain saw,
etc for more than a week. It is set to go to 15% this year.

Monsanto has been suing small farmers for a long long time. Their seed
is "protected" meaning you are not allowed to save it to grow the
following year; farmers (that use those sorts of seed and products) are
forced to purchase new seed each year. This is BIG business. Farmers
that start down this path are enslaved. Their crops require ever
higher levels of synthetic fertilizers and herbicides - which pleases
Monsanto. Monsanto sends undercover folks out to gather samples from
corn, soy and other crop fields; if some of their "protected" genetic
material is found to exist in the gathered material the farmer is sued
for infringement of copyright protected material. Organic farmers have
been screaming for years that we cannot protect our crops from
contamination of GM pollen; we weren't worried about being sued, we just
didn't want our crops and seeds contaminated. A few organic farmers
tried suing Monsanto for contaminating their crops.....all to no
avail. Then Monsanto started suing them/us. One of many reasons I
am no longer a farmer. The world has gone insane.

Bees are declining, everyone knows that; no one seems to know why. They
just don't want to face facts. What many sadly do not realize and it
is not publicized is that all pollinators are suffering the same
collapse. What many do not realize is it is (for the honey bees) a
combination of the high fructose corn syrup (highly refined product made
from GM corn) many beeks started using years ago because it is cheap and
easy and they are greedy and want the bees to work hard for them; they
don't want to share the bounty, so they feed their slaves the cheapest
substitute they can find - HFCS (or white sugar which is bad enough, but
not as bad as the HFCS because at least it is not yet made from GM
crop), which weakens a system whether it be human or critter; a weakened
system is then susceptible to more disease, (the answer to which is
"treating" the bees with ever more chemicals further weakening the
system and contaminating the wax comb where these chemicals accumulate
and build up year after year) and cannot effectively fight off the
assaults from all around them - hive beetles, mites, wax moths, ants,
yellow jackets, etc which they have been dealing effectively with for
many many years (they can even deal with a mouse that tries to set up
housekeeping in their snug hive)and disease and the grandaddy of them
all......GM crops producing Frankipollen which has tipped the scale so
far that there is doubt the bees can continue.

Guess what? No bees, no humans or any other life form.
Thank you Monsanto.

Janice, getting off my soap box now

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Re: Re : [AlpacaTalk] Advice

 

Yes it is, until you find 2- and 3-year olds nursing on a dam who lets anybody in!  I have an older female who - up until I weaned her a month ago - was allowing her 2009 cria, her 2008 cria, her 2007 cria and her sister's 2007 and 2008 crias nurse - sometimes all at the same time!  There are times you couldn't find this gal in the crowd around her.  One of her nieces even tried to snag colostrum while she was delivering last summer!

 

It was very upsetting to watch and worry that the newest baby wasn't getting what she needed (although they all seem pretty healthy and hardy EXCEPT the nursing mom, who is nothing but skin and bones no matter how much supplement and other nutritional support she gets).  I've retired this dam because it's just too hard on her, and since she's already given me 7 crias - the last three girls - I think she deserves a rest. 

 

So yes, it's great to have a nanny when you have an orphan or a cria whose own dam doesn't have adequate milk; it's not so great when they harm themselves and jeopardize their current offspring in the process.
 

Judith Korff

LadySong Farm

Music to Your Wallet

Randolph, New York 14772 

Cell: (716) 499-0383

www.alpacanation.com/ladysong.asp

 

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From: Tina Travis <traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 2:38:31 AM
Subject: Re: Re : [AlpacaTalk] Advice

 

         I have had several moms nurse others crias--it is great to have xtra moms in a herd.

Tina Travis  

Elkhorn Alpacas

31655 Elkhorn Glen

Warrenton,MO. 63383

636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930

traviselkhornalpaca s@yahoo.com

www.elkhornalpacas. com

 Alpacas are a rare treasure,

 one that I like to share!!!!

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To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 1:32:11 AM
Subject: Re: Re : [AlpacaTalk] Advice

 

The moms don't let other babies nurse, they rudely push them away.  One piggy baby tries a few moms before going back to his own - I think he's greedy.  LOL

 

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA
http://www.openherd .com/FarmPage. aspx?Farm= 433

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