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Re: [AlpacaTalk] additional on the rabies

 

I think that is how you discern whether or not you have an honest vet or one that is there merely for the $$.
 
SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA
 
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In a message dated 3/16/2010 7:50:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, shirl.temple2@verizon.net writes:

I tried to convince my mom that her 3 indoor cats do not need rabies shots.  When I was making the appointment I asked the gal why an indoor cat would need it.  Her response was that sometimes the cat could contract rabies from eating crickets.
 
Imagine the cartoon bubble in my head -- "HOMEOWNER ATTACKED BY RABID CRICKET!!!  I truly don't know if there is any weight to that claim, and I really haven't had time to research it since my gut tells me that it's a crock of alpaca poo. 
 
Warm regards,
CJ Parnell
Humming Along Alpacas
Aquasco, MD

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Stock or Sweet Feed

 

Hi Janice:
Thanks for the reply.

I think that I will try the no corn diet on "Pavio" my main macho. I have him stalled separate from but next to my other machos so it will be easier to control his diet without affecting the other animals.

And so it goes chasing the dream.
 
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From: "jelizabethfarms1@bellsouth.net" <jelizabethfarms1@bellsouth.net>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 11:29:04 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Stock or Sweet Feed

<<<Just for some prospective, we have twenty animals, including last
years crea, and have fed scratch grain at least once a day for four
years. One incident of choke in that length of time and across twenty
animals seems to me to be quite low.

And so it goes chasing the dream.

By for now, Wayne>>>


I agree that is a good track record for choke :-).  Thanks for the
additional info.    I am thinking perhaps the sharp edges on the cracked
corn could be the occ problem.  From what you have described what I
would do is either the easy way - buy scratch grains, throw them out and
hope the chickens get most of the corn and let the alpacas nibble up the
wheat and oats; or find myself a source of wheat and oats and mix my own
for my alpacas.  Personally I would eliminate the corn and the
soybeans.....both are virtually 100% GMO products now, no longer real
food, posing both known and unknown dangers.    As previously commented
I have pulled all corn from all my animals several years ago (as well as
from my family's diet) because of the implications of GM organisms in
long term reproductive health.  European countries will not even import
our corn because of the GMOs.  If I could I would tell you amazing
stories about the total change in my now 3 1/2 yo (adopted as a 3mo old
from VietNam) when I removed all corn syrup and then *all* corn from her
diet.  She had severe issues that everyone/all the "experts" wanted to
chalk up to "attachment disorder" because she was adopted.  As an
infant the doctors put her thru hell doing all sorts of invasive
procedures to justify their dx/treatment of "acid reflux" (which is the
new "colic").....they could never find anything, even doing endoscopies
on this tiny one, that supported their treatment.  I'll have to be
careful here or I'll write a book.  Suffice it to say life was hell for
2 1/2 yrs.  She screamed all the time, never ever slept more than 1-2
hrs at a stretch, was totally withdrawn, was determined to be autistic,
refused all human touch and interaction, was just the most miserable
little creature you've ever seen.  In short, it was a nightmare.  Being
the holistically oriented nutritionist that I am I kept trying to make
an association between food intake and behavior.  I could never find a
pattern.  Until one day it occurred to me that corn syrup was in
absolutely everything she ate, including her "hypoallergenic" formula. 
Today a year later, completely dairy (cow, she does fine on goat milk,
butter and cheese) and corn free she is a happy, delightful,
affectionate, bright, laughing, hugging, kissing goofy fun loving
beautiful little girl.  The change was rapid and obvious.  Everytime
she gets a bit of corn syrup accidently in something I can tell within
24 hrs.  Her behavior will be unbearable for the next 3 days (for those
interested in this there is a 24 hr delay so the connection is hard to
spot unless you are really paying attention over the long haul).

Anyway, even before this I had removed corn from my animals' diets.  The
change it has made in my dogs esp is dramatic.  Purina is one of the
worst dog foods on the market, and what so many breeders feed.  Animal
Control here now gives out free dog and cat food to the needy.  I was
going to start getting my dog food there as that is one of my biggest
expenses and as I've said no work for the past year plus has made
cutting corners a way of life, even more so than previously.  When I
got there and discovered it was Purina I walked away with none.  I won't
feed corn to my dogs or cats, not even free, nor to my other animals. 
Nutrition is so incredibly important to good health that a good high
quality diet is the most important cost saving investment I can make in
my family, both 2 and 4 leggeds, for the long term.

OK, off my soap box now.  Thanks for sharing Wayne.  It has inspired me
to put some effort into finding a grain mill around here - which I have
attempted to do in the past with no luck, and start purchasing oats and
wheat for my poultry as well as the alpacas.  Maybe even the horses as
well.

Janice in NW GA



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[AlpacaTalk] Re: cria not doing right---6 months old

 

<<< If I could get it, I would love to have at least some Naxcell and
Banamine
on hand for emergencies-
--vet can direct me if he/she can?t get there
quickly.

In any case, I appreciate your kind thoughts?.have a lovely evening and a
great tomorrow!

Allison>>>

Allison, your days sound like mine! I am expecting the apple, pawpaw,
and blackberries I ordered to arrive today or tomorrow and will have to
get out and get them planted. I am still not done pruning the fruit
trees I have. I just installed 2 new hives of bees Sunday and need to
release the queen today.....IF it will warm up.

My horse vet finally sold me some banamine to keep on hand and it sure
gets used! In fact it is almost gone, and I need to get a new supply. I
just came across a note last night from last year when I was gathering
info that just simply said "banamine, naxcell, Revive". I have the
Revive and the banamine, now need to get her to sell me some naxcell to
have on hand.

Was the thiamine OTC? Tractor Supply?
Hope your mom is doing much better by now. I know having all her things
around her is a huge boost for her well being.

Warmly, Janice

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: Pyr vaccinations

 

<<< AS I said, I don't have time to check now, but I bet there's a
vaccine that's a multi -type called DPLP.

Good luck!
Susan

PS -- The rabies is a must -- I don't give my house cats rabies
shots......they do not get out and have no contact with other animals.....
..the barn cats? $65.00 for 2 rabies shots, but worth it. God only knows
where they roam and what they come into contact with....as for the other
vaccines for the barn cats? Guiltily, I haven't had them vaccinated for
anything but rabies....and I really like them, but.....somehow farm cats
seem to disappear as I remember from my childhood............but I
should check it out for the safety of the dogs and alpacas...and yet I'm
sure I know of plenty of cats that don't even get rabies vaccine.........>>>

Yes, I am pretty sure DPLP is the standard dog vaccination. I just
looked at the package my guy's puppy shots were in and it doesn't say
DPLP, but Distemper, Lepto, Parvo, and Parainfluenze are in there plus
some other stuff, so that is most likely the DPLP. It's the same here
with the house GSD. When we lived in the city and went to the river
and parks a lot I kept up their shots, but out here they never go off
the property, rarely even out of my sight, and so I have stopped the
vaccines. I don't vaccinate my children, so am also very conservative
with my animals in that regard. But I think you have made a good point
about these guys living outside and being exposed to all sorts of
things. Thanks for bringing that up. My guys are nearly a year old
and will be coming due for their shots in a few months. I can buy those
at Tractor Supply very inexpensively. Cheap insurance. Tho after this
year I will likely go to every other year, just to limit their
exposure. There have been a lot of reports of tumors and such at the
old vaccination sites.

And they are indeed worth their weight in gold! I can't say enough
good about them. I *really* didn't want to go this route, and some
here may remember my year of walking the property several times every
night, trying to let the coyotes know their were humans about. Last
year we just had the worst coyote problem. They were closing in and I
spent my nights terrified for my alpacas. I moved them all to the front
pasture every night, closer to the house. Then I started hearing the
coyotes in the tiny strip of woods across from my one lane road. They
were following. The year before I had had 2 bobcat attacks, leaving
one of my girls blind in one eye and too close to having to be hauled
off to the Univeristy for very expensive surgery to remove the eyeball
had it become infected (goldenseal prevented that thank goodness) and
doing severe damage to one of my boys, slashing his neck in multiple
places to the bone. 2 different attacks. The first came the 2nd
night I left the ducks out overnight, thinking they were big enough and
safe. Clearly the bobcat had been watching and waiting; or simply got
lucky. It got a duck that night and slashed up my paca boy in the
process. Came back a few weeks later. It was a harrowing 2 yrs.
Not a worry since the Pyr brothers have been here. I never hear a
howl or yip. I had to put them to work much much younger than
recommended because the coyotes were getting so close. By 3 mos of age
they were staying out in the pastures all night with the alpacas. One
of my girls was terrified of them in the beginning and screamed a lot.
But I figured a coyote attack would be worse! The pups were very
respectful of her fear and eventually won her over. Now when she and
her yearling go pronking about, the pyr brothers join in. It is a sight
to behold They still can't be trusted with the fowl, so they have to go
back into the pen in the pasture during the day. But I am hoping and
assuming they will grow out of that and if the weather will ever get
decent I will start working with them and the birds. But yes they are
the greatest and most definitely worth their (rather substantial) weight
in gold. One night early on, one of them dug out of the pasture. It
was too late to fix the problem that night so they went back in their
pen for the night. The *very next* night we heard coyotes closing in at
dusk. So I know we are being watched. Whenever I can afford it I am
planning to put a pair out in the horse pasture as well.

The cats - same here; house cats get nothing; barn cats also get
nothing. I too feel guilty about it as I really adore those guys. But
reality is I simply cannot afford it. I do try to worm them when I can
but they are not very agreeable to that. But again, I think you are
right, and if I could get my hands on some rabies vaccine I would
vaccinate them myself; just cannot afford the vet fee to have it done.
But I think we may see rabies become more of a problem as the economy
continues to put people in difficult situations and things formerly
considered necessities will start to spill over into the "optional"
category.....such as rabies shots for pets. So many are having to make
hard choices these days, even having to give up their beloved pets.

Eating rabbits gave my dog the worst case of tapeworms I have EVER seen
in my life! Totally gross.
Heartworm and flea/tick preventative are two major expenses I have not
been willing to give up....yet. I have found really affordable
heartworm meds, and have found OTC tapeworm meds as well.....which took
some research last year. There is a company that comes to Tractor
Supply (here anyway) every month doing low cost vaccinations and
dispensing meds at substantially lower costs than vet offices. Once
you establish a "relationship" with them - by having your pet seen at
one of their clinics, you can order the meds over their web site.

Warmly, Janice

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: Stock or Sweet Feed

 

<<<Just for some prospective, we have twenty animals, including last
years crea, and have fed scratch grain at least once a day for four
years. One incident of choke in that length of time and across twenty
animals seems to me to be quite low.

And so it goes chasing the dream.

By for now, Wayne>>>

I agree that is a good track record for choke :-). Thanks for the
additional info. I am thinking perhaps the sharp edges on the cracked
corn could be the occ problem. From what you have described what I
would do is either the easy way - buy scratch grains, throw them out and
hope the chickens get most of the corn and let the alpacas nibble up the
wheat and oats; or find myself a source of wheat and oats and mix my own
for my alpacas. Personally I would eliminate the corn and the
soybeans.....both are virtually 100% GMO products now, no longer real
food, posing both known and unknown dangers. As previously commented
I have pulled all corn from all my animals several years ago (as well as
from my family's diet) because of the implications of GM organisms in
long term reproductive health. European countries will not even import
our corn because of the GMOs. If I could I would tell you amazing
stories about the total change in my now 3 1/2 yo (adopted as a 3mo old
from VietNam) when I removed all corn syrup and then *all* corn from her
diet. She had severe issues that everyone/all the "experts" wanted to
chalk up to "attachment disorder" because she was adopted. As an
infant the doctors put her thru hell doing all sorts of invasive
procedures to justify their dx/treatment of "acid reflux" (which is the
new "colic").....they could never find anything, even doing endoscopies
on this tiny one, that supported their treatment. I'll have to be
careful here or I'll write a book. Suffice it to say life was hell for
2 1/2 yrs. She screamed all the time, never ever slept more than 1-2
hrs at a stretch, was totally withdrawn, was determined to be autistic,
refused all human touch and interaction, was just the most miserable
little creature you've ever seen. In short, it was a nightmare. Being
the holistically oriented nutritionist that I am I kept trying to make
an association between food intake and behavior. I could never find a
pattern. Until one day it occurred to me that corn syrup was in
absolutely everything she ate, including her "hypoallergenic" formula.
Today a year later, completely dairy (cow, she does fine on goat milk,
butter and cheese) and corn free she is a happy, delightful,
affectionate, bright, laughing, hugging, kissing goofy fun loving
beautiful little girl. The change was rapid and obvious. Everytime
she gets a bit of corn syrup accidently in something I can tell within
24 hrs. Her behavior will be unbearable for the next 3 days (for those
interested in this there is a 24 hr delay so the connection is hard to
spot unless you are really paying attention over the long haul).

Anyway, even before this I had removed corn from my animals' diets. The
change it has made in my dogs esp is dramatic. Purina is one of the
worst dog foods on the market, and what so many breeders feed. Animal
Control here now gives out free dog and cat food to the needy. I was
going to start getting my dog food there as that is one of my biggest
expenses and as I've said no work for the past year plus has made
cutting corners a way of life, even more so than previously. When I
got there and discovered it was Purina I walked away with none. I won't
feed corn to my dogs or cats, not even free, nor to my other animals.
Nutrition is so incredibly important to good health that a good high
quality diet is the most important cost saving investment I can make in
my family, both 2 and 4 leggeds, for the long term.

OK, off my soap box now. Thanks for sharing Wayne. It has inspired me
to put some effort into finding a grain mill around here - which I have
attempted to do in the past with no luck, and start purchasing oats and
wheat for my poultry as well as the alpacas. Maybe even the horses as
well.

Janice in NW GA

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] additional on the rabies

 

            Catching a rabid mouse is MUCH more likely than a rabid cricket.  Rabies is on contracted by mammals, but I am not positive it can’t be carried by non-mammals but I sure doubt it!

 

            Our 18 year old indoor cat had his rabies vac expire and I decided he didn’t need it……….then one day a neighbor’s kid was out the house and Booger bit him.  It didn’t draw blood, thank G, BUT, it convinced me that he needed an utd rabies if for no reason other than the liability issue.  If my pet bites I need to be able to produce a utd rabies or I can be considered negligent. …………just something to think about.

 

            Our 9 outdoor/barn cats all get a rabies every 3 years.  One came home with a nasty abcess and upon inspection, two nasty punctures on his upper lip, and missing teeth.  Whatever got him, bit the hell out of him.  Luckily we had antibiotics (from LAST cat wounded) and we drained the wound and flushed it, applied antibiotic ointment and he got antibiotic tablet for ten days……..it healed nicely and the only signs of the injury are the missing teeth.  It did give me reassurance to know he had been vaxed for rabies and if the wound was from a opossum, raccoon or skunk or ANYTHING…….he would hopefully be protected from rabies. (and so would WE)

 

            Just something to think about. 

 

            Oh, one more thing….if the animal needs to be hospitalized for any reason………..the vet may insist on utd……..and getting vaccinated while ill is not a good thing.

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of shirley
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:50 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] additional on the rabies

 

 

In NJ house cats must have rabies shots.

When I questioned why they had to have

it I was told they might catch a rabid mouse. 

 

Shirley Dillon

 

Alpacas of Gemini Farm
Basking Ridge, NJ  07920

 

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Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:21 AM

Subject: [AlpacaTalk] additional on the rabies

 

I tried to convince my mom that her 3 indoor cats do not need rabies shots.  When I was making the appointment I asked the gal why an indoor cat would need it.  Her response was that sometimes the cat could contract rabies from eating crickets.

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] additional on the rabies

 

In NJ house cats must have rabies shots.
When I questioned why they had to have
it I was told they might catch a rabid mouse. 
 
Shirley Dillon
 
Alpacas of Gemini Farm
Basking Ridge, NJ  07920
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:21 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] additional on the rabies

I tried to convince my mom that her 3 indoor cats do not need rabies shots.  When I was making the appointment I asked the gal why an indoor cat would need it.  Her response was that sometimes the cat could contract rabies from eating crickets.
 
Imagine the cartoon bubble in my head -- "HOMEOWNER ATTACKED BY RABID CRICKET!!!  I truly don't know if there is any weight to that claim, and I really haven't had time to research it since my gut tells me that it's a crock of alpaca poo. 
 
Warm regards,
CJ Parnell
Humming Along Alpacas
Aquasco, MD


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