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Monday, October 15, 2007

Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Fwd: Hey Elwin!

True enough, Ryan, even quoting a beloved American humorist doesn't
make a great leader. But my mission in keeping this group open all
these years despite limited membership has been to offer an avenue of
true open speech and hopefully no censorship. So far, since the group
has been very small I've been able to remain very "hands-off," I hope
it can stay that way. I strongly believe that we need access to all
points of view, as much information as we can accumulate, and as great
a dissemination of any information as possible. I have said many times
and strongly believe that information is power. We need and deserve to
know what's going on in our alpaca industry and especially behind the
scenes. I want to know what machinations are at work, and who is
conducting them. I'm not naiive enough to think that there isn't stuff
going on that some people do not want known... I think that one said
cooperative that claims to be working for the entire industry should
really be more transparent in their business. Why shouldn't they?
What's the big secret(s)?

Again, just my inquiring mind...

Heather

On Oct 15, 2007, at 6:02 AM, fortryan wrote:

> Quoting a great leader does not make a leader great. Neither does
> calling the people that one wishes to lead greedy, gullible
> dishonest and/or cheaters.
>
> I am against involving a government agency in settling disputes
> within the practices of our small industry. If our calling is to be
> the change we wish to see in the world, then the answer is not to
> cry foul to our regulators, but to be an agent of change in our
> industry, our organizations, and ourselves and not to spread
> distrust and fear under the pretenses of dualism. This is not
> an "us vs. them" struggle. There is only us.
>
> "We have met the enemy and he is us." -- Walt Kelly
>
> Ryan

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posted by Chaddo at 9:07 PM 0 comments

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Fwd: Hey Elwin!

Quoting a great leader does not make a leader great. Neither does
calling the people that one wishes to lead greedy, gullible
dishonest and/or cheaters.

I am against involving a government agency in settling disputes
within the practices of our small industry. If our calling is to be
the change we wish to see in the world, then the answer is not to
cry foul to our regulators, but to be an agent of change in our
industry, our organizations, and ourselves and not to spread
distrust and fear under the pretenses of dualism. This is not
an "us vs. them" struggle. There is only us.

"We have met the enemy and he is us." -- Walt Kelly

Ryan

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@...>
wrote:
>
> Sure thing, Elwin.
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> West Wind Alpacas
> Eugene, OR
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro
grandson
> Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea
Farms!
> http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
> http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: "Elwin Bagley" <elwin@...>
> > Date: October 14, 2007 6:55:28 AM PDT
> > To: "Heather Zeleny" <alpacatalk@...>
> > Cc: <AlpacaFarms@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: Hey Elwin!
> > Reply-To: "Elwin Bagley" <elwin@...>
> >
> > Heather:
> > Thanks. I will keep you informed on Alpaca Talk.
> > For now, I think I have accomplished all that I can by
responding to
> > the
> > people that cannot get the point that they are being taken for a
ride
> > by the AFCNA.
> > There is an old saying by Will Rogers I think.
> > "You cannot cheat an honest man." That sums up what I was trying
to
> > say about the
> > people who are letting themselves be cheated.
> >  
> > So, I tried to point out that everyone in the Alpaca industry is
being
> > cheated.
> > Then when only about four people responded in a negative manner,
and
> > maybe two, including you responded in a positive manner, I tried
to
> > make my point more clear by insulting the intelligence of the
few who
> > still think the AFCNA and the AOBA is doing a good job for them.
> > There is another saying, "If the shoe fits, wear it".   It is
evident
> > from the response of the AFCNA BOD president that the shoe fits
a lot
> > of people and is pinching.
> >  
> > I was also trying to get members to wake up and report the
illegal
> > actions of the
> > AFCNA to the FTC,but the people who belong to the AFCNA and the
people
> > who do not see through the AOBA's continuing to keep the pyramid
> > scheme going at the expense of the small farmer will not see
past the
> > blinders of greed that they wear.
> > No one likes the truth to be pointed out that they are gullible
people.
> >  
> > I will let you know via the Alpaca Talk site and my Alpaca Farms
site
> > about what the FTC says about the illegal trade methods of the
AFCNA.
> >  
> > Could you help out with complaints to the FTC.You would not have
to
> > get as specific as I about the methods of the AFCNA.
> > Could you please inform everyone about the FTC website and their
> > mission to promote fair trade and protect the US citizens.
> > http://www.ftc.gov/
> > All we have to do is tell the FTC that there is price fixing and
anti
> > trust law violations going on.
> > I see from the replies on the site which came from AFCNA members
that
> > most of them did not even know that the AFCNA is violating thier
own
> > code of conduct as well as violating anti trust laws.
> > Please ask everyone to fill out the FTC complaint form and give
the
> > FTC a chance
> > to help everyone.
> >  
> > Oh: please post this for me on Alpaca Talk. I have lost the
address.
> > Please invite me to join again so that I can recover the address.
> >  
> >
> > Elwin Bagley
> > www.windyhillalpacafarm.com
> >  
> > We must be the change we
> > wish to see in the world.
> >       Lets Do It.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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posted by Chaddo at 6:02 AM 0 comments