I suppose getting it misplaced in the fiber is a worry with any method.? I always make sure to part the fiber so I see skin.
I found many references to Ivermectin being given in the muscle to horses,? cattle, pigs, even elephants and frogs.? Please give the reference to how its not affective against m-worm if given intramuscularly.? Not in m-worm area, just curious.
Heidi Christensen
WingNut Farm Alpacas
Graham WA
(253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
www.wingnut-alpacas.com
-----Original Message-----
From: andesdandies <sue@andesdandies.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 3:07 pm
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: injections
Hi Folks,
Just a precautionary note - I know of people who have used the cap
over the needle method and gotten animals with Meningeal worm. My
conjecture is that it is because you don't know for sure you are
putting the drug in the subcutaneous area. Let's face it, different
animals have different fleece and skin thicknesses, especially at
different times of year. It could just as easily end up in the fleece
or in the muscle. In the fleece, useless. In the muscle, good chance
of an abscess and also delayed therapeutic value of the drug, and
shorter time in the bloodstream, not recommended.
I have found no problem at all giving all my shots by myself, even to
adult breeding males who are visiting from other farms whose owners
have told me they CANNOT be done without help -- I use Marty McGee
Bennett's method and have no problems whatsoever. I modifiy it just a
bit, I like to inject with my right hand, so I wrap my left arm
around the front of the alpaca's neck and grasp the tent of skin with
the left hand, then plunge the needle in and depress the syringe with
the right hand. I do this with the animals confined to a small area
so they can't really go anywhere anyway, and I have good control of
their movement. I make sure that the needle is in fact in the space
under the skin, and this sometimes takes a little moving around of
the needle depth depending on the age of the alpaca and the thickness
of its skin as well as density of fleece. If I have a spitter, I can
easily duck my head against the back of their neck and avoid the
onslaught, but usually I get no reaction from my animals. They're
used to it and the rest of their buddies are all standing around also
relaxed. No one is chased and no one gets a surprise jab so they all
remain calm.
The best way to keep them all calm is to have as many animals as you
can in as small an area as you can, so they can't run and get all
worked up and panicy. If you only have a few animals, make the pen
REALLY small so they are as close to each other as you can, it really
helps!
Best regards,
Sue Zelazny
Andes Dandies, LLC
http://www.andesdandies.com
Middleport, NY
Where the best way to predict the future is to 'criate' it!
--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Wendy Edwards"
<wendy.edwards@...> wrote:
>
> hi Heidi - thanks for describing this procedure one step further
for non-medical types like me - the detail about the bevel makes all
the difference because it is exact, and i know what to look for
>
> i always have to wait for someone else to come over and help with
injections, and sometimes the wait is too lengthy for comfort - now i
have confidence i can do this by myself
>
> and thanks to everyone else who has contributed to this discussion -
i have always had a horror of injections and have avoided doing them
myself - i'll be going out to the catch pen today with meds in hand -
no more waiting for someone else
> thanks again
> Wendy
> DreamWeaver Alpacas
> BC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Heidi Christensen
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:41 AM
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: injections
>
>
>
> I am also an RN, and used the "human" way of injecting for a
short
> while. Until I had an animal get away from me with a syringe
> sticking out of her shoulder. And of course a couple times when I
> poked the needle all the way through the skin.
>
> My main issue is that I am by myself. If I had someone to hold
> while I pinched the skin, and put the needle in at a 75 degree
angle
> etc etc that would be fine. But I don't, so I use the needle
cover
> method. Take a needle cover, cut off enough to see the whole
bevel
> of the needle (the slanted part), draw up the medication, replace
> the cover, and give the injection. You do need to be a bit
careful
> not to poke yourself, but I just draw everything up individually
in
> the catch pen.
>
> The only problem I have had was when I cut the cover too short,
and
> discovered that the bevel was still covered slightly - the
> medication would go up inside the cover instead of in the animal.
> Since I figured that out, I haven't had any problem. I also found
> that needle sizes have longer or shorter bevels - I think I ended
up
> using a 22 gauge for most things because the 20 gauge looked like
it
> needed to be cut so long that it wouldn't go SQ. I always give it
in
> the shoulder, about half way down, because I have to hold at the
> same time.
>
> Heidi Christensen
> WingNut Farm
> Graham, WA
>
> --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'll be honest, I haven't tried this technique, I've only seen
it
> > described, written by a veterinarian. And, I hate to admit, I
read
> it
> > on the website of a person who I really... don't wish to send
any
> > traffic his way.
> >
> > And I might add, it is described as just poke, push, and done,
> with the
> > poking being in the thick skinned areas of the shoulder or
rump.
> The
> > alpacas' skin in those areas is apparently about 1/2" thick, so
if
> you
> > jab 'em and push the plunger, the meds will end up SQ as
directed.
> For
> > IM injectibles, definitely use a 1" needle and inject into the
> muscle
> > of the rump or shoulder.
> >
> > Heather
> >
> >
> > On Oct 18, 2008, at 10:40 AM, houckj@ wrote:
> >
> > > Trying to make sure I totally understand the injection
technique
> > > recently being discussed. I believe I am correct in my
> distillation of
> > > the posts that I should get 1/2 inch, 20 gauge needles and
> just "poke"
> > > as Heather says? I can never seem to get a large
enough "tent"
> of
> > > skin,
> > > using Marty McGee's technique; can't say how many times I have
> > > injected thru thick fiber and had it come out the other side,
> even
> > > when
> > > I was sure I had the skin tented. They just don't seem to
have
> much
> > > loose sking. If I am correct and can just "poke" oh how
simple.
> > > Someone mentioned using the thigh - I would avoid that area
as
> I have
> > > been told it is too easy to hit something wrong there. But
the
> elbow
> > > sounds feasible. Still simply walking by and "poking".....I
> *know* I
> > > can do that :-).
> > >
> > > Warmly, Janice in GA
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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