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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Blood Draws



We are shearing on Tuesday and while the alpacas are down, I want to draw
blood from our babies for BVD testing and also from one female for
progesterone testing for pregnancy. Unfortunately I forgot to order the blood tubes
- anyone know which ones I need, where I need to send them and where I can
get them on such short notice? I was going to send them to the San
Bernardino Lab but am not certain they do those tests.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Dog Attack, any advice on Suri alpacas as replacements?



Allison - thanks SO much for explaining that, it was fantastic. Now I'm
curious - so then what are F-3 Suris?

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Dog Attack, any advice on Suri alpacas as replacements?



Thank you all for the great advice. I have decided to stick with Huacayas, not because I think they are better, only becuase of this comment from Darlene, which really made me remember my girls and my love of their fleece and faces when I went to the barn, (you find yourself missing those fluffy
heads, then perhaps suris are not for you.) Thank you Darlene. This is not the only reason I have decided this. It is also becuase I don't want to chance getting Huacayas out of suri's. Suri's are beautiful, I have one male that I love, but I really thought about Darlene's comment and remembered going to the barn to see my girls and that is where I want to be. Again thank all of you for your advice as always you all were here to help me. God Bless.
--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Darlene Long <darlong@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, we Suri people love our Suris. : )
>
> (I also love the huacayas, as the three other farms in our collective have
> them and I assist with their care)
>
> Basically Allison has it spot on here. Suri with documented huacayas in the
> pedigree have a stigma attached and can be less marketable.
>
> When you are making your decision, visit suri only farms and just watch and
> see if you feel a connection to them. They are different. Not harder, or
> better or worse, just different. If you feel you can connect with them, then
> by all mean consider your best purchase options. I know the economy means
> there are some real deals in the US. Buy from the best Suri farms that you
> can. The experience and mentoring with the unique nature of suris will be
> invaluable.
>
> If you spend time with them and you find yourself mainly thinking how much
> they are not like huacayas, and you find yourself missing those fluffy
> heads, then perhaps suris are not for you. If like me you see one running
> in the wind with the locks like molten gold, with their proud head, and you
> are amazed, then you, my dear, may be a suri person. : )
>
> Dar Long
> Serenity Suris
> Ontario Canada
> www.serenitysuris.com
>
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Allison Moss-Fritch
> <aemoss17@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi Wendy,
> >
> > We have both suris and huacayas and your question brings up some
> > interesting
> > factors. We like them both..but you just have to understand a few things
> > about each type to get the best values.
> >
> > It is relatively "OK" to have a huacaya from two suris. I have a Color
> > Champion Gray huacaya girl, Pandora, who is in our foundation herd who is
> > such an alpaca. Her fleece is still absolutely consistently "zipper"
> > crimped with a long staple and tiny bundles.just want you want; great
> > luster
> > and very fine. So the girl overall, her conformation and fleece, are top
> > notch. If I were willing to part with her, I would disclose her
> > parentage.and I'd have no problem selling her for a lot of money, because
> > she is worth every bit of it. However, I would not sell her for any
> > reasonable sum.
> >
> > We had her Mom, Tally Pearl, who was a suri. We bred her only to dark,
> > solid suris with very good locking..and a track record of only suri
> > births...even in the collateral relatives. We bought her already bred with
> > the huacaya girl at foot when we were just starting out. I bought her
> > mainly for the cria at side.and that was not a bad move in this case. I
> > lucked out! But Tally's suri offspring are harder to sell because their
> > "sis" is a huacaya.even though Mom was an import and so it does not show on
> > her pedigree as anything but suri..I would not sell her without disclosing
> > her huacaya daughter from a well known gray suri stud!!! Tally has passed
> > on due to the "snots" a year or so back, so now the issue is moot.
> >
> > We breed her huacaya daughter, Pandora, as a huacaya and she has given us 2
> > beautiful, award winning huacaya girl crias and is due with a third any
> > moment.
> >
> > Her suri siblings are bred as suris to the best studs we can afford and so
> > far, they have not ever thrown anything but suris for us. However, it is
> > very well to remember when buying a suri that all the hype in the world
> > does
> > not truly deny the fact that these so called "pure" suris.are only as pure
> > as the AMERICAN pedigree..their Sire or Dam before importation might just
> > have been a huacaya!
> >
> > We just don't have that many generations of "pure suri" on the ground to
> > ensure you won't get the occasional huacaya from your suri breedings.
> > AND..those huacayas should not be disparaged, they can be great quality.
> > But it does reflect negatively on their suri parents..so just be aware and
> > understand what is the truth here.
> >
> > Have very good luck with your shopping! If you are not sure what you want
> > suri wise, I could make some off list suggestions of people who could help
> > you get the best suris you can afford for your new herd, if you like. There
> > are folks out there who truly know their suris and who has whom for sale!
> >
> > Allison Moss-Fritch
> >
> > New Moon Alpacas
> >
> > Santa Clara, CA
> >
> > http://www.newmoonalpacas.com
> >
> > From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com <AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> > AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com <AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> > Behalf Of wnunezcruz
> > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:14 PM
> > To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com <AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Dog Attack, any advice on Suri alpacas as
> > replacements?
> >
> > Hi everybody, I really appreciate all of the advice, and condolences. You
> > all have really helped me through the process of healing. I am still not
> > sure if my insurance is going to pay, but they have all the information
> > they
> > need now and I am only waiting to hear from them. I have been looking at
> > alpacas to purchase and I am considering Suri's this time because someone
> > has a package of 3 suri girls and 1 Huacaya girl for $7000.00. The only
> > thing is I don't understand alot about Suri's becuase I studied huacaya's.
> > The Huacaya they are offering is out of 2 suri's and one of the suri's is
> > an
> > F3 Suri. Will I be able to sell a huacaya out of 2 suri's? Can anyone give
> > me some advice? Thank you all in advance and God Bless.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Dog Attack, any advice on Suri alpacas as replacements?



Hi Heather..

Well, a good (phenotypically correct) huacaya from suris back in the
pedigree that someone wants to sell me, I'll gladly take. Their loss from
ignorance can become our gain. What they fail to comprehend is that a
huacaya from two suris MUST be a genetically pure huacaya and can NEVER
throw a suri, because in order to get it you must have inherited only the
recessive "s" gene in the following equation: Ss x Ss = ss. ( where S is
for suri, the dominant gene, and s is for huacaya, the recessive gene.)

. And, in our rather tightly bred national herd, where we supposedly must
not line breed, here is a new line, unrelated to the other huacayas..so a
real boon to the average alpaca farmer seeking genetic diversity. Of
course, that is based on it being a phenotypically excellent animal in the
first place.

However, with Suris.it is not the same. Because that is the dominant gene
of the pair...for every suri to suri breeding where the suris involved are
heterozygous.(carry one S and one s gene) they may look like SURIS, but they
are really "F-1" animals.heterozygous animals. So their offspring from 4
matings will in theory be 3 animals that appear suri of which one is a pure
suri (homozygous suri (Ss x Ss = SS) while the other two are going to be Ss
x Ss = Ss and that 4th or last one is your huacaya (Ss x Ss = ss)

So the problem is those two animals in the middle, they are called "F2's"
and they appear suri but have a 1 in 4 chance of throwing a huacaya if bred
to another one like them, another heterozygous suri.

This is the full set of information which in theory explains our suri
genetics. Of course, in reality there' are always a few deviations from the
theories, and there is also a margin of error. We have reports of animals
which have intermediate fleeces between suri and huacaya, the so called
"chili" animals with their crimpy suri locks or their silky, shiny twisted
huacaya locks that are incorrect for either type.but are, nonetheless, most
interesting to our hand spinners!

Allison

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Heather Zeleny
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:30 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Dog Attack, any advice on Suri alpacas as
replacements?

The suri/huacaya mix is not an easy thing. There is stigma on both
sides of the issue.

I have been told in an offer for a trade, that a 1st place ribbon
winner at a level 5 show, huacaya, was not something a particular
breeder wanted in their breeding program. Specifically, the suri 4
generations back in the pedigree. This female is extremely dense,
fine good bone density, huge topknot... But no dice. So, suri in a
huacaya pedigree is really not well accepted any more than huacaya
offspring in a suri line.

Heather

On May 8, 2009, at 8:14 PM, Allison Moss-Fritch wrote:

>
>
> Hi Wendy,
>
> We have both suris and huacayas and your question brings up some
> interesting
> factors. We like them both..but you just have to understand a few
> things
> about each type to get the best values.
>
> It is relatively "OK" to have a huacaya from two suris. I have a Color
> Champion Gray huacaya girl, Pandora, who is in our foundation herd
> who is
> such an alpaca. Her fleece is still absolutely consistently "zipper"
> crimped with a long staple and tiny bundles.just want you want;
> great luster
> and very fine. So the girl overall, her conformation and fleece,
> are top
> notch. If I were willing to part with her, I would disclose her
> parentage.and I'd have no problem selling her for a lot of money,
> because
> she is worth every bit of it. However, I would not sell her for any
> reasonable sum.

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Dog Attack, any advice on Suri alpacas as replacements?



The suri/huacaya mix is not an easy thing. There is stigma on both
sides of the issue.

I have been told in an offer for a trade, that a 1st place ribbon
winner at a level 5 show, huacaya, was not something a particular
breeder wanted in their breeding program. Specifically, the suri 4
generations back in the pedigree. This female is extremely dense,
fine good bone density, huge topknot... But no dice. So, suri in a
huacaya pedigree is really not well accepted any more than huacaya
offspring in a suri line.

Heather

On May 8, 2009, at 8:14 PM, Allison Moss-Fritch wrote:

>
>
> Hi Wendy,
>
> We have both suris and huacayas and your question brings up some
> interesting
> factors. We like them both..but you just have to understand a few
> things
> about each type to get the best values.
>
> It is relatively "OK" to have a huacaya from two suris. I have a Color
> Champion Gray huacaya girl, Pandora, who is in our foundation herd
> who is
> such an alpaca. Her fleece is still absolutely consistently "zipper"
> crimped with a long staple and tiny bundles.just want you want;
> great luster
> and very fine. So the girl overall, her conformation and fleece,
> are top
> notch. If I were willing to part with her, I would disclose her
> parentage.and I'd have no problem selling her for a lot of money,
> because
> she is worth every bit of it. However, I would not sell her for any
> reasonable sum.

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Dog Attack, any advice on Suri alpacas as replacements?



I prefer Suris and my spouse prefers Huacayas, so our herd is now 1/2 of
each. The Suris stay cooler in the warmer weather than the Huacayas but
other than that, they are no different other than the fleece. We currently
have a very nice Huacaya girl cria that has Suri in her background and I just
adore her, her fleece is really nice. I don't think we would have any
problem selling her (we are keeping her) but everyone is right, it is harder
to market Suris out of Huacayas than the other way around and a Suri who
produces Huacayas is harder to market also. If you are planning on keeping
them there should be no problem and of course at the shows the judges are not
aware of their background so the Huacayas produced from Suris tend to do
better, their fleece is generally nicer.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Dog Attack, any advice on Suri alpacas as replacements?



Yes, we Suri people love our Suris. : )

(I also love the huacayas, as the three other farms in our collective have
them and I assist with their care)

Basically Allison has it spot on here. Suri with documented huacayas in the
pedigree have a stigma attached and can be less marketable.

When you are making your decision, visit suri only farms and just watch and
see if you feel a connection to them. They are different. Not harder, or
better or worse, just different. If you feel you can connect with them, then
by all mean consider your best purchase options. I know the economy means
there are some real deals in the US. Buy from the best Suri farms that you
can. The experience and mentoring with the unique nature of suris will be
invaluable.

If you spend time with them and you find yourself mainly thinking how much
they are not like huacayas, and you find yourself missing those fluffy
heads, then perhaps suris are not for you. If like me you see one running
in the wind with the locks like molten gold, with their proud head, and you
are amazed, then you, my dear, may be a suri person. : )

Dar Long
Serenity Suris
Ontario Canada
www.serenitysuris.com

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Allison Moss-Fritch
<aemoss17@comcast.net>wrote:

>
>
> Hi Wendy,
>
> We have both suris and huacayas and your question brings up some
> interesting
> factors. We like them both..but you just have to understand a few things
> about each type to get the best values.
>
> It is relatively "OK" to have a huacaya from two suris. I have a Color
> Champion Gray huacaya girl, Pandora, who is in our foundation herd who is
> such an alpaca. Her fleece is still absolutely consistently "zipper"
> crimped with a long staple and tiny bundles.just want you want; great
> luster
> and very fine. So the girl overall, her conformation and fleece, are top
> notch. If I were willing to part with her, I would disclose her
> parentage.and I'd have no problem selling her for a lot of money, because
> she is worth every bit of it. However, I would not sell her for any
> reasonable sum.
>
> We had her Mom, Tally Pearl, who was a suri. We bred her only to dark,
> solid suris with very good locking..and a track record of only suri
> births...even in the collateral relatives. We bought her already bred with
> the huacaya girl at foot when we were just starting out. I bought her
> mainly for the cria at side.and that was not a bad move in this case. I
> lucked out! But Tally's suri offspring are harder to sell because their
> "sis" is a huacaya.even though Mom was an import and so it does not show on
> her pedigree as anything but suri..I would not sell her without disclosing
> her huacaya daughter from a well known gray suri stud!!! Tally has passed
> on due to the "snots" a year or so back, so now the issue is moot.
>
> We breed her huacaya daughter, Pandora, as a huacaya and she has given us 2
> beautiful, award winning huacaya girl crias and is due with a third any
> moment.
>
> Her suri siblings are bred as suris to the best studs we can afford and so
> far, they have not ever thrown anything but suris for us. However, it is
> very well to remember when buying a suri that all the hype in the world
> does
> not truly deny the fact that these so called "pure" suris.are only as pure
> as the AMERICAN pedigree..their Sire or Dam before importation might just
> have been a huacaya!
>
> We just don't have that many generations of "pure suri" on the ground to
> ensure you won't get the occasional huacaya from your suri breedings.
> AND..those huacayas should not be disparaged, they can be great quality.
> But it does reflect negatively on their suri parents..so just be aware and
> understand what is the truth here.
>
> Have very good luck with your shopping! If you are not sure what you want
> suri wise, I could make some off list suggestions of people who could help
> you get the best suris you can afford for your new herd, if you like. There
> are folks out there who truly know their suris and who has whom for sale!
>
> Allison Moss-Fritch
>
> New Moon Alpacas
>
> Santa Clara, CA
>
> http://www.newmoonalpacas.com
>
> From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com <AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com <AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of wnunezcruz
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:14 PM
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com <AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Dog Attack, any advice on Suri alpacas as
> replacements?
>
> Hi everybody, I really appreciate all of the advice, and condolences. You
> all have really helped me through the process of healing. I am still not
> sure if my insurance is going to pay, but they have all the information
> they
> need now and I am only waiting to hear from them. I have been looking at
> alpacas to purchase and I am considering Suri's this time because someone
> has a package of 3 suri girls and 1 Huacaya girl for $7000.00. The only
> thing is I don't understand alot about Suri's becuase I studied huacaya's.
> The Huacaya they are offering is out of 2 suri's and one of the suri's is
> an
> F3 Suri. Will I be able to sell a huacaya out of 2 suri's? Can anyone give
> me some advice? Thank you all in advance and God Bless.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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