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Re: [AlpacaTalk] goldenseal

Wise Woman Herbals in Creswell, Oregon has herbal remedies, tinctures,
extracts... you name it. They prefer to deal with NDs, because some
preparations to require prescriptions. apparently. I'm pretty sure they
have a website.
http://www.wisewomanherbals.com/
Yup, they do. :)

Goldenseal is an exceptional healing agent, but it is rare and
endangered, and very expensive. Oregon grape root and bark has many of
the same properties, and isn't endangered or rare. And it's not quite
as expensive. In fact, I think we have some growing on our property!

Heather

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(formerly West Wind Alpacas)
Creswell, OR

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On Aug 22, 2008, at 6:36 PM, Wendy Edwards wrote:

> hi Janice - i'm sorry to hear you have another crisis to look after -
> i had a little guy with an eye injury last january and the thing that
> seemed to help his eye the most (after the anitbiotic shots) was the
> BNP ontment recommended on this listserve - i make sure i always have
> it on hand now - we also did gentamicin eye drops every couple of
> hours for two weeks, but the last drops were at 10:00 pm and then we
> started again in the morning around 7. - Then we went to gentamicin
> drops twice a day - Then it was prednazone drops twice a day.. i must
> say by the time his eye was healed, this little guy was as tame as a
> dog.
>
> you've mentioned using goldenseal before - i went looking for it
> today (small small town) and could only find a tincture of golden seal
> and echinacea combined - the chemist at the drugstore said he will
> look for a pure goldenseal product for me but it may take some time.
>
> my question is: what form do you use and how do you use it?
> I try to handle things on my own here, unless it's an obvious vet
> call and it sounds like goldenseal is something i should keep on hand.
>
> shots are something i find really difficult too - interesting to hear
> the description of how to give them by myself - i think i'll have to
> try a dry run first and practice a bit before i try the real thing.
>
> i'm always thinking of you and your kids, and all your critters -
> good luck with the eye, and everything else you handle on a daily
> basis
> wendy
> DreamWeaver Alpacas
> BC
>
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Severe Eye Injury

Susan:

If you ever see it done, you'll kick yourself! I would suggest going
out and going through the motions of doing it with a few of your
animals. Since we do monthly ivomec, I try to wait for a time when
my husband will be home since we can do our few animals very quickly
together. But if you're alone and need to give something right away
and can't pre-plan, this is a great method! I never even had to
halter and tie my boy for daily shots last year........If I HAD to
get one of my bigger animals, I'd try halter, tying and then the
method. If I can do it, anybody can!

Have fun!
susan

Susan Forman & Eric Jenkins
Dewey Morning Alpacas
423 Greenfield-Sabina Rd.
Washington Court House, OH 43160
740-636-1899 Home
937-901-1509 Cell
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Severe Eye Injury

Yep! That's the way it's done. Basically, you're leaning over the
animal, grabbing some fiber and jabbing! I think the key is
stabilizing the head and neck. They kind of don't have much to fight
with if their neck and head are somewhat immobile. I won't say I've
done it with the 'big kids' - i've got a girl who is close to 200
lbs..... She's a dreamboat (NOT!) that I can't get a good grip on,
but I'm also small. If I was a bit bigger, I might be more
successful......or had more practice.

Good luck! It's really not that hard.
Susan

At 03:42 PM 8/22/2008, you wrote:

>Susan - do you then inject the right side of the animal? That does sound
>like a better plan. Thanks!
>
>Susan Olson
>Alpaca Loco
>Riverside, CA
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Home of Huey, Dewey and Louie
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Severe Eye Injury

Susan - do you then inject the right side of the animal? That does sound
like a better plan. Thanks!

Susan Olson
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Severe Eye Injury

Janice:

Forgot to say that I've repeatedly heard that banamine is useless if
given orally. The only other thing I think I forgot about injecting
alone -- When you start off and use your left elbow/arm to stabilize
the animal, the head should be in a somewhat 'down' position -- not
real far, it's almost an issue of your size and body just simply
stabilizing the animal. I think if you go 'play' with a few of them,
you'll see what I mean. If there's a better way to explain, let me
know and I'll try...........and perhaps others can help too!
Susan

Susan Forman & Eric Jenkins
Dewey Morning Alpacas
423 Greenfield-Sabina Rd.
Washington Court House, OH 43160
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937-901-1509 Cell
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Severe Eye Injury

You might have solved your mystery! I think the rooster may very well
be the culprit. Their spurs are extremely sharp and can do a lot of
damage. You may need to find a new home for the rooster or get some
help de-spurring him and clip his wings so he cant get into the alpaca
pastures. We had a rooster once who attacked a worker and in the
process broke off one his spurs. There was a lot of blood, or at lest
it looked that way, but after that he was much nicer.

Best of luck with your girl's eye. If the puncture can close up, the
vitreous humor can replenish, and it can indeed be saved.

Keep us posted!
Heather

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[AlpacaTalk] Severe Eye Injury

First let me say how sorry I am about the kitty, Heather, how very sad;
I totally get how upsetting it was. I found a kitty with a similiar
injury once right when I got to work, without a thought to my job I took
the kitty to the vet immediately, and almost got fired. The kitty
seemed in good spirits and didn't appear to be in pain, just thankful to
be found by someone. I too noticed he could not use his hind quarters.
The vet said there was no hope for that particular kitty. It was a
hard blow as he seemed so ok. I hope something can be done for your
particular little one; but as much as I respect homeopathy I do not
think this is the case for it!

And Susan, I am SO sorry to read about your dear dog. How is he/she
doing now? I have been wanting to get back to you as well as Wendy for
your kind personal posts, but life as usual ran over me this past week.

Sunday morning as I was out changing Snowball's diaper/bandage and
checking his wounds I noticed my sweet girl, Allie (his mama and my
first paca)was squinting her eye and it was weeping. Closer inspection
showed an injury. I had some old opthalmalic ointment from another paca
eye injury so used that and then had a busy day. Sunday eavening I was
checking it again and saw that it was indeed REALLY bad, much worse than
I thought. After all these years of not having a vet, I knew I had to
find one. So called a horse vet that lives close by that I have been
told for years is really cranky and hard to get along with so I have
never used her. She is definitely not a warm fuzzy human; but she got
right back to me and said this was indeed an emergency and in fact was
an emergency when I first saw it that morning. She came right down
(we're neighbors), it was nearly 9PM and almost dark.

One look with her flashlight and an instant dx of torn/ripped/slashed
cornea - really severe; she said she'd never seen one quite this bad. A
deep slash to the eyeball and the contents of the eye were leaking out
and the eyeball was no longer round, but pointed. Eyesight was already
lost. She said the only hope was to successfully keep infection at bay
and hope the eye would heal over; otherwise we are looking at vrey
expensive surgery to remove the eyeball (necessitating a trip to the
University and I have no trailer). That sight almost certainly was
permanently lost and I only had about a 50% chance of saving the eyeball
itself.

My sweet Allie has the prettiest softest eyes framed by the longest
sweetest eyelashes. I am heartbroken - and exhausted.

The regime is antibiotic eyedrops every 2-3 hrs around the clock;
Atropine drops 2x day; and oral antibiotic 2x day for 7 days. The drops
are for 6-8 wks she said before we would expect to see any improvement
at all. You can only imagine how thrilled Ms Allie is with all this.
It has been 5 days and both me and my 10yo dd are worn out. We simply
cannot physcially do the middle of the night so we do the last drops at
midnight and then get out as soon as it is light around 7AM to start
ovre again. So she is basically missing 1 - 2 doses. I cannot do the
eyedrops by myself or I would be out at 3AM doing it. But I cannot ask
my exhausted 10yo to get up in the middle of the night; she is already
falling asleep at the table or any time she sits down.

My question is - Vet gave a Banamine shot on Sunday night for pain and
inflammation; she said it would be optimal to give her the Banamine
daily. It is IM and the only place this little girl as enough muscle is
in her hind leg. I cannot give the shot there as she is a mighty
kicker. Vet could not find any info in her data base, nor could we find
anything in Dr Evans manual about giving Banamine orally. so I thought
I would check here to see if any of you know anything about this
possibility. It is of course impossible to know how much pain my girl
is in, she doesn't really appear to be suffering - except for having to
stay locked up in the tiny tiny barn to keep her out of the bright light
- this alone is the worst of all the insults I am having to administer
to her. I am letting her loose at night since I am not doing the night
time treatments anyway; so after midnight I release her. I am making
her son Snowball stay with her and he is definitely not happy about
this! Anyway, Vet said the Banamine was for inflammation of the eye as
well as pain relief and it would be good if we could figure out a way to
get it in her. Any suggestions? Remember I have noone to hold the paca
while I administer injections and this girl is a mighty fighter who does
not like to be messed with at all. My 10yo dd is not strong enough to
hold her if she is really struggling; tho she has been surprisingly
compliant with all the drops and meds, but getting crankier about it
every day.

My next thought of course is HOW did *this* happen? Coincidence? Or
related to the deep slashes on Snowball's neck? I know we have been
around about my intact male doing this to Snowball, but surely he did
not do this to Allie's eyeball!!? I am now beginning more and more to
suspect the rooster. I am seeing him go at several of the alpacas. The
other day Snowball and the intact male - Boy Blue - AND the rooster were
all going at each other and I had to go break them up. BOYS! :-(.

This is a really deep slash on her eyeball, just like the really deep
slashes on SB's neck. Which BTW are completely healed up. That
goldenseal is unbelievable stuff. I am still keeping bandaged tho to
keep the scabs intact and keep the dirt and bugs out. I have made a
really really dilute solution of the goldenseal (it is an alcohol
extraction) and am using that as well as the prescription antibiotic in
Allie's eye. Vet says there are really nasty bacteria that get into
eyes and I want to do everything I possibly can to avoid that. I have
seen goldenseal work some real miracles. I have not been able to figure
out anyway to devise an eye covering to protect her eye. Any
suggestions for that? If I could easily cover her eye - remember I have
to administer drops every few hours - she could go out with her buddies.

Thanks for any thoughts or suggestions,
Warmly, Janice

PS In the middle of all this we had baby chickens starting to hatch
out.....in the alpaca's hay. Only one has survived, the 2nd one was
fine in the morning when we checked, and a few hours later we went back
to remove the baby chicks to a safer location and the 2nd baby was dead
under mama :-(. We were so sad. It was such a cute bitty thing.
Really really sad to take and bury such a new life. Looked like it's
neck was broken. None of the other eggs have hatched out. When you
love critters there just seems to be no end to the heartache.

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