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Monday, February 25, 2008

Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: CDT

By the way, Botulism protection IS NOT obtained through CT&T vaccine.
How many times do I have to go through this?

On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:51 PM, All American Alpacas wrote:

>
> Ever heard of botulism? It's a clostridium bacteria.

If you're mainly concerned about tetanus, which we all should be, it
is available as a single Tetanus vaccine through your vet or some
online
mail-order retailers:
http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/product.asp?
CID=2&mscssid=XMFBAB2PQTGR9PSTVLUUWXNBLPSUF1W9&pf_id=11529

> Oh yeah, tetanus is
> also a clostridial bacteria, it's the T in CDT, and the technical
> name is C.
> tetani, again, the C is for clostridium.

No, C is for Type C, Rick! For gods sake look it up! Clostridia
perfengens Type C....

If you're right I don't argue, but here you're wrong, and anyone who
knows how to do even the most basic research can see that.

CD&T vaccinates for Clostridium perfegens types C and D, and for
Clostridium Tetani. C stands for Type C. Which alpacas are not
susceptible to.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
West Wind Alpacas
Eugene, OR

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: CDT (typo corrections) yes I'm a terrible typist

Ok, I can't eradicate all typos... *sigh*

On Feb 25, 2008, at 9:48 PM, Heather Zeleny wrote:

>
> On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:51 PM, All American Alpacas wrote:
>
> > I normally keep my mouth shut here,
>
> Yeah Right.
>
> Here's the real info. Please see WSU's assessment of CD&T vaccine
> (down
> the page a bit). I don't think it's worth the risk, and neither does
> Jan Davis of Derwydd Alpacas, a long-time alpaca breeder whose opinion
> I respect immensely.
>
> If you're mainly concerned about tetanus, which we all should be, it
> is
> available as a single Tetanus vaccine through your vet or some online
> mail-order retailers:
> http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/product.asp?
> CID=2&mscssid=XMFBAB2PQTGR9PSTVLUUWXNBLPSUF1W9&pf_id=11529
>
> And they also sell rabies vaccine:
> http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/product.asp?
> CID=2&mscssid=XMFBAB2PQTGR9PSTVLUUWXNBLPSUF1W9&pf_id=1693
> I don't know if your state requires livestock to be vaccinated for
> rabies by a vet, but if not, this is the place to get your vaccine!
>
> From The Alpaca Book by Eric Hoffman and E. Murray Fowler, DVM:
>
> Pages 212-213
> Five types of Clostridium perfingens are known to affect animals. ...
> Alpacas are known to be susceptible to types A, C, and D. ... Type A
> enterotoxemia will be emphasized because it is a serious problem in
> South America and there is evidence that it has also occurred in North
> America.
> ...
>
> Prevention
> ... Vaccination for Type C & D is commonly available in North America,
> but, in the case of the alpaca, there s no confirmation that
> protection
> has been obtained. No suitable vaccine against Type A toxin is
> available.
>
> Type A enterotoxemia
> Type A enterotoxemia is the most serious disease of neonate alpacas in
> Peru. ...
>
> Type C enterotoxemia
> ...
> Experience with Type C enterotoxin in North American alpacas and
> llamas
> is of a different nature. Bo outbreaks abd been reported; rathr
> sporadic cases here and there. Infection is usually observed in the
> neonate of less than two weeks of age that is nursing a mother with
> high milk production.
>
> Type D enterotoxemia
> Type D enterotoxemia (overeating disease) has not been diagnosed in
> alapcas in Peru, and only sporadic cases have been reported in North
> America. Type D enterotoxemia is a serious disease of feedlot cattle
> and sheep, or in animals on lush pastures, or those being overfed with
> grains.
>
> http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/depts-vth/camelids/vax.aspx
> Vaccinations Commonly Used in Camelids
> CD/T
> ▪ Clostridium perfringens type C, D, and C. tetani
> ▪ A commonly used vaccine. C. perfringens has been implicated in
> diarrhea and sudden deaths in crias and occasionally adults. All
> animals are at risk for tetanus following infection primarily through
> wounds, castrations, etc.
> ▪ One common vaccination schedule is vaccination of adults yearly;
> pregnant females 4-6 weeks prior to parturition; crias at 3-4 months
> old and again 4 weeks later then yearly thereafter.1 Other protocols
> are also used and can be tailored to suit individual farm situations.
>
> This is new info since I last visited their site:
> Clostridium perfringens Type A Toxoid
> ▪ Recently developed vaccine for use in cattle.
> ▪ Evaluated at WSU VTH on alpacas
> 1. No vaccine site reactions were seen.
> 2. This product was NOT evaluated on pregnant animals.
> 3. Titers were measured and results indicated an immune response
> occurred but the degree of protection provided is unknown at this
> time.
>
> Jan Davis of Derwydd Alpacas says she does not give CD&T vaccines,
> last
> time I saw her respond to the CD&T question, probably for the reasons
> given above. I, for one, respect her wisdom, and since we don't feed
> grain, we have a very low risk of enterotoxemia.
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> West Wind Alpacas
> Eugene, OR
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
> http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
>
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>
>
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: CDT (typo corrections) yes I'm a terrible typist


On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:51 PM, All American Alpacas wrote:

> I normally keep my mouth shut here,

Yeah Right.

Here's the real info. Please see WSU's assessment of CD&T vaccine (down
the page a bit). I don't think it's worth the risk, and neither does
Jan Davis of Derwydd Alpacas, a long-time alpaca breeder whose opinion
I respect immensely.

If you're mainly concerned about tetanus, which we all should be, it is
available as a single Tetanus vaccine through your vet or some online
mail-order retailers:
http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/product.asp?
CID=2&mscssid=XMFBAB2PQTGR9PSTVLUUWXNBLPSUF1W9&pf_id=11529

And they also sell rabies vaccine:
http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/product.asp?
CID=2&mscssid=XMFBAB2PQTGR9PSTVLUUWXNBLPSUF1W9&pf_id=1693
I don't know if your state requires livestock to be vaccinated for
rabies by a vet, but if not, this is the place to get your vaccine!

From The Alpaca Book by Eric Hoffman and E. Murray Fowler, DVM:

Pages 212-213
Five types of Clostridium perfingens are known to affect animals. ...
Alpacas are known to be susceptible to types A, C, and D. ... Type A
enterotoxemia will be emphasized because it is a serious problem in
South America and there is evidence that it has also occurred in North
America.
...

Prevention
... Vaccination for Type C & D is commonly available in North America,
but, in the case of the alpaca, there s no confirmation that protection
has been obtained. No suitable vaccine against Type A toxin is
available.

Type A enterotoxemia
Type A enterotoxemia is the most serious disease of neonate alpacas in
Peru. ...

Type C enterotoxemia
...
Experience with Type C enterotoxin in North American alpacas and llamas
is of a different nature. Bo outbreaks abd been reported; rathr
sporadic cases here and there. Infection is usually observed in the
neonate of less than two weeks of age that is nursing a mother with
high milk production.

Type D enterotoxemia
Type D enterotoxemia (overeating disease) has not been diagnosed in
alapcas in Peru, and only sporadic cases have been reported in North
America. Type D enterotoxemia is a serious disease of feedlot cattle
and sheep, or in animals on lush pastures, or those being overfed with
grains.

http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/depts-vth/camelids/vax.aspx
Vaccinations Commonly Used in Camelids
CD/T
▪ Clostridium perfringens type C, D, and C. tetani
▪ A commonly used vaccine. C. perfringens has been implicated in
diarrhea and sudden deaths in crias and occasionally adults. All
animals are at risk for tetanus following infection primarily through
wounds, castrations, etc.
▪ One common vaccination schedule is vaccination of adults yearly;
pregnant females 4-6 weeks prior to parturition; crias at 3-4 months
old and again 4 weeks later then yearly thereafter.1 Other protocols
are also used and can be tailored to suit individual farm situations.

This is new info since I last visited their site:
Clostridium perfringens Type A Toxoid
▪ Recently developed vaccine for use in cattle.
▪ Evaluated at WSU VTH on alpacas
1. No vaccine site reactions were seen.
2. This product was NOT evaluated on pregnant animals.
3. Titers were measured and results indicated an immune response
occurred but the degree of protection provided is unknown at this time.

Jan Davis of Derwydd Alpacas says she does not give CD&T vaccines, last
time I saw her respond to the CD&T question, probably for the reasons
given above. I, for one, respect her wisdom, and since we don't feed
grain, we have a very low risk of enterotoxemia.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
West Wind Alpacas
Eugene, OR

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: CDT

> I normally keep my mouth shut here,

Right.

Here's the real info. Please see WSU's assessment of CD&T vaccine (down
the page a bit). I don't think it's worth the risk, and neither does
Jan Davis.

If you're mainly concerned about tetanus, which we all should be, it is
available as a single Tetanus vaccine through your vet or some online
mail-order retailers:
http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/product.asp?
CID=2&mscssid=XMFBAB2PQTGR9PSTVLUUWXNBLPSUF1W9&pf_id=11529

And they also sell rabies vaccine:
http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/product.asp?
CID=2&mscssid=XMFBAB2PQTGR9PSTVLUUWXNBLPSUF1W9&pf_id=1693
I don't know if your state requires livestock to be vaccinated for
rabies by a vet, but if not, this is the place to get your vaccine!

From The Alpaca Book by Eric Hoffman and E. Murray Fowler, DVM:

Pages 212-213
Five types of Clostridium perfingens are known to affect animals. ...
Alpacas are known to be susceptible to types A, C, and D. ... Type A
enterotoxemia will be emphasized because it is a serious problem in
South America and there is evidence that it has also occurred in North
America.
...

Prevention
... Vaccination for Type C & D is commonly available in North America,
but, in the case of the alpaca, there s no confirmation that protection
has been obtained. No suitable vaccine against Type A toxin is
available.

Type A enterotoxemia
Type A enterotoxemia is the most serious disease of neonate alpacas in
Peru. ...

Type C enterotoxemia
...
Experience with Type C enterotoxin in North American alpacas and llamas
is of a different nature. Bo outbreaks abd been reported; rathr
sporadic cases here and there. Infection is usually observed in the
neonate of less than two weeks of age that is nursing a mother with
high milk production.

Type D enterotoxemia
Type D enterotoxemia (overeating disease) has not been diagnosed in
alapcas in Peru, and only sporadic cases have been reported in North
America. Type D enterotoxemia is a serious disease of feedlot cattle
and sheep, or in animals on lush pastures, or those being overfed with
grains.

http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/depts-vth/camelids/vax.aspx
Vaccinations Commonly Used in Camelids
CD/T
▪ Clostridium perfringens type C, D, and C. tetani
▪ A commonly used vaccine. C. perfringens has been implicated in
diarrhea and sudden deaths in crias and occasionally adults. All
animals are at risk for tetanus following infection primarily through
wounds, castrations, etc.
▪ One common vaccination schedule is vaccination of adults yearly;
pregnant females 4-6 weeks prior to parturition; crias at 3-4 months
old and again 4 weeks later then yearly thereafter.1 Other protocols
are also used and can be tailored to suit individual farm situations.

This is new info since I last visited their site:
Clostridium perfringens Type A Toxoid
▪ Recently developed vaccine for use in cattle.
▪ Evaluated at WSU VTH on alpacas
1. No vaccine site reactions were seen.
2. This product was NOT evaluated on pregnant animals.
3. Titers were measured and results indicated an immune response
occurred but the degree of protection provided is unknown at this time.

Jan Davis of Derwydd Alpacas says she does not give CD&T vaccines, last
time I saw her respond to the CD&T question, probably for the reasons
given above. I, for one, respect her wisdom, and since we don't feed
grain, we have a very low risk of enterotoxemia.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
West Wind Alpacas
Eugene, OR

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/joinOn Feb 24, 2008, at
9:51 PM, All American Alpacas wrote:

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[AlpacaTalk] Dr. Norm Evans Seminar in Ohio


Dr. Norm Evans, DVM in Ohio March 15th!

Do you wonder what wormer you need to be using, how often, and how much?
Do you want to be sure that you are giving your dam the best care from breeding through birthing?
Do you want to be up to date on camelid medications and their dosages?
Do you want to better understand blood collection and interpreting the laboratory results?

On Saturday, March 15th, from 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM, Dr. Evans will be speaking in Sidney, Ohio about all of these topics and more, sponsored by the Southwest Ohio Alpaca Breeders. This seminar is for both new and experienced breeders and will include course materials to take home for reference later.

The Holiday Inn located in Sidney Ohio, is serving as the host hotel and is conveniently located just off Interstate 75, 30 miles north of Interstate 70. A block of rooms is being held for participants until February 12th for $72 per night, but please mention SWOAB or Southwest Ohio Alpaca Breeders to take advantage of the discount.

The participant fee is $150 and includes a delicious buffet lunch and beverages throughout the day. Other individuals from the same farm can attend for $125.

For more information including the application and maps, please visit www.alpacaswohio.com

Space is limited so don't delay! We look forward to seeing you there!

If you have any questions, call:
Marlene Peltier at 937.441.7769
Laurel Shouvlin at 937.206.3936
Linda Dondaldson at 937.219.1231

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