Hi group,
I just received an advertisement from Hartman's for an Alpaca Sale on
October 31 & November lst. They said I was receiving this email because my
email address was subscribed to an AOBA member email list. How can this be
possible? This advertisement looks like it is coming from an AOBA
affiliate. No wonder so many farms fall for their pitch. I wonder how they
got my email address.
Shirley Dillon
Alpacas of Gemini Farm
Basking Ridge, NJ 07920
www.alpacanation.com/geminifarm.asp
908-647-2995
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From: <houckj@aol.com>
To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:31 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Hartman Alpaca Sale in Nebraska
> <<< I have asked the auctioneer (via a e-mail that was never answered
> and via a registered
> letter that was never picked up), for my money and my alpacas back. I
> am not out to
> tell anyone untruths about this or any other firm. I just want people
> to know what my
> experience was so that nobody else will be hurt in the same manner.
> Call me stupid,
> but I was totally unaware that this venue would be so poorly attended
> that they would actually
> sell my alpacas for as low as $10
>
> I have too much on my plate running our ranch, and dealing with our empty
> Big Box Store in Texas to spend my time daily on this. I just care
> about people being hurt
> and alpacas being traded around like they were sports cards.
>
> Elizabeth Warynick
> Alpacas de Los Olivos
> Los Olivos, CA>>>
>
>
> You keep talking Elizabeth! This is a common tactic. I've BTDT with an
> adoption agency involving the adoption of my now 2 1/2 yo dd from
> Vitenam (yes for anyone keeping track I left for VN to pick her up the
> month after my husband.....AND my mother passed away the same month).
> The agency was simply horrible in so many ways. I was also supposed to
> be picking up my 4yo dd at the same time. Had her in my custody, spent
> that entire winter in VietNam (while my animals and farm lanquished and
> suffered) trying to get her out of the country. In the end my agency
> screwed everything up and I was told to return her to the orphanage and
> expect to come back in 6 mos to get her. There's not words to describe
> the inconvenience/expense this would entail. There are certainly not
> words to describe the heartbreak all around when that precious 4yo child
> had to be returned to the orphanage....just not words. The anguish, the
> worry about her consumed me every single night as I worked stateside to
> get her home. 9 long months I worked to get her home. I left no stone
> unturned. She could not be found; I was stonewalled; I was told 5
> different stories as to what had happened to her; I could not accept a
> single one as the truth and kept pushing. Yes, I talked to everyone
> everywhere about this agency. They threatened me with all kinds of
> things, including of course lawsuits, and including threatening to turn
> me over to DFACS (Child Protective Services) - Huh!? AND the VietNam
> gov't - Huh ?!. In my grief and as you state all that is required to
> settle things after a death - my mother's and my husband's and with a
> tiny baby to boot, fighting lawsuits was not on the top of my list to
> tackle. But I was encouraged by many in the international adoption
> world to keep talking. I got quite an education. I was told to make
> sure my homeowner's insurance policy covered "libel". I took out an
> Umbrella policy, made sure it included that.....and I kept talking.
> They kept threatening. I laughed at them - to their face - and dared
> them to sue me. You see when someone sues you *then* it all becomes
> public record. They don't want that. Trust me - they don't want that.
> Plus as long as you stick to the facts of what happened to you it is NOT
> libel.
> Keep talking. You don't need to pay a lawyer to respond to their
> letter. Ignore it, just as they have yours. Or invite them to sue you.
> I eventually put this particular adoption agency out of business. Their
> doors are now closed. Of course having a lawyer write them telling
> them to respond to your requests if they want you to stop talking would
> be a nice touch, Perhaps one of the attorneys working with you on the
> other matters would be willing to write such a letter for you.
>
> Good luck, glad to hear you got one of your girls back safely. Thanks
> for letting us know.
> Warmly, Janice
>
>
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