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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Peruvian, Bolivian, Chilean differences




In a message dated 4/29/2009 2:41:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
aemoss17@comcast.net writes:

In essence, it is the place where they were checked in prior to import. It
is merely the point from which they started at importation. They may have
been trucked from Bolivia to Peru the day before.or their owner may have
walked from Chile into Bolivia that week.etc. So it is NOT a reliable
indicator of any quality or non-quality traits

From the importation stories I've been told by a well known Peruvian
importer......the competition between the Peruvian farms was fierce. I highly
doubt they would have tolorated any Bolivians trucking in animals to be
considered by the importers. I've also heard that the physical terrain
between countries was not easily traveled.

With our vast improvements in quality resulting from years of selective
breeding here in the US.....the modern day crias of all the countries of
origin are overall competitive in quality. I don't think anyone could say
one bloodlines of any single country of origin is superior or known for any
one quality.

Marketing on the other hand can still be affected with labels of origin,
such as full peruvian and full accoyo.

My two cents anyhow.

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posted by Chaddo at 12:37 PM 0 comments

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Peruvian, Bolivian, Chilean differences



Hi Kathy-here are a couple of stories I heard from the initial import days that might add some light upon this question. They did for us. First, the Altiplano is a close nit geographic plateau with no definitive boarders between Chili, Bolivia, and Peru. Herds often roam and co-mingle.

One of the exporters told us this story. They had their export papers registered in Peru. The day prior to leaving the export papers were canceled so they loaded all their animals on a truck in Peru and drove them to Chili where they had an export visa ready to go just in case. So today he has animals that originated in Peru but were exported from Chili and as he said "I guess that means I have Chilean animals".

We believe the country of origin is / was a marketing program by a farm as a feature that their animals stood above the rest. Maybe so, but at this point we have American Animals bred and born in the USA, the best animals in the world!

Boy if that don't put fire out with gasoline I don't know what will.

Enjoy the day, Michael
Greenbriar Farm
Waukesha, WI

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "greenfleece60" <plooza@...> wrote:
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> I know I have heard this explained before, but what are the differences, if any between Bolivian, Chilean, and Peruvian bloodlines? I believe I've heard that there are none really and it is just marketing hype. True or false?
>
> Kathy Quinn
> Clifton Heights, PA
>

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posted by Chaddo at 12:31 PM 0 comments

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Peruvian, Bolivian, Chilean differences



Hi there Kathy,

Good question!

In essence, it is the place where they were checked in prior to import. It
is merely the point from which they started at importation. They may have
been trucked from Bolivia to Peru the day before.or their owner may have
walked from Chile into Bolivia that week.etc. So it is NOT a reliable
indicator of any quality or non-quality traits.

It really means NOTHING!

Some of the big farms in Peru in later imports did send truckloads of their
animals which were specially chosen for import. Those tended to be of
better quality.but there were also large, well heeled farms in Chile and in
Bolivia sending stock for importation. For instance, Acero Marka is a
BOLIVIAN farm which means quality and had good animals.and they were NOT
Peruvian.

Peruvian is not instantly a mark of better quality than anything else.

Chilean animals tended to have more colors and Peruvian animals tended to be
chosen for white. Bolivian animals often had very nice fine crimpy
fleeces..supposedly. These are all generalizations. There is no magic
bullet for choosing quality. Certainly not paying more for an animal simply
because it is "1/4 Accoyo" or "Pure Peruvian" or Sollicotta or Macusani
whatever.

The best and only way to choose an animal of quality is to do your homework.
Look to see how long the fleece of the parents and collateral relatives
remained good. How many healthy living offspring did the parents have and
how many of those are still producing.

I like to see if the parents are listed as having even numbers of male and
female offspring. If the sire is a "big stud" but there are a lot of
"missing males" in the list of descendants.they were not registered and were
culled for whatever reason. That is a big tipoff that the quality is not as
consistent as the advertising of the sire wishes it were. Put your hands on
the animal you want to buy. Get fiber samples; look at relatives and
offspring. Loot at siblings if you can.

On my own animals I maintain life time statistics on fleece , fertility and
health, and I can prove why I'm keeping animals in my foundation herd. The
data is there. I expect as much of an animal that I'm purchasing to add to
that herd.

Now, I don't expect every male offspring of a good stud to be a super
star.but I do expect truth and complete records or I do business elsewhere.
So I would rather see the occasional registered gelding than a dirth of
male animals, for instance, when I'm looking in ARI records at an animal I'm
considering.

That is about it.

Allison Moss-Fritch

New Moon Alpacas

Santa Clara, CA

http://www.newmoonalpacas.com

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of greenfleece60
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:55 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Peruvian, Bolivian, Chilean differences

I know I have heard this explained before, but what are the differences, if
any between Bolivian, Chilean, and Peruvian bloodlines? I believe I've heard
that there are none really and it is just marketing hype. True or false?

Kathy Quinn
Clifton Heights, PA

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posted by Chaddo at 11:41 AM 0 comments

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Peruvian, Bolivian, Chilean differences



My $0.02 on what is sometimes a very political discussion.

Opinion: Effectively there is no difference, and the vast majority of
alpacas in this country today are mixed-source bloodlines anyway. While
there are a few breeders that have tried to maintain single country
bloodlines, most of us have only mixed-source animals anyway.

There are those who hold out for Peruvian animals thinking they have better
fleece. Some do, some don't, and even those with great fleece have peers in
the other source and mixed-source communities.

I'd be interested in someone taking the time to see whether any
single-source bloodline animals were color champions at big shows recently,
and if so, what percentage of the color championships went to single-source
bloodline animals vs mixed-source animals. I haven't looked at the data,
but my gut feel (sometimes wrong) tells me the single-source bloodline
animals won't be overly represented at the top of the ring.

--don stanwyck, carnation, wa

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Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:55 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Peruvian, Bolivian, Chilean differences

I know I have heard this explained before, but what are the differences, if
any between Bolivian, Chilean, and Peruvian bloodlines? I believe I've heard
that there are none really and it is just marketing hype. True or false?

Kathy Quinn
Clifton Heights, PA

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posted by Chaddo at 10:27 AM 0 comments

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[AlpacaTalk] Peruvian, Bolivian, Chilean differences



I know I have heard this explained before, but what are the differences, if any between Bolivian, Chilean, and Peruvian bloodlines? I believe I've heard that there are none really and it is just marketing hype. True or false?

Kathy Quinn
Clifton Heights, PA

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posted by Chaddo at 9:55 AM 0 comments

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Wendy

Since I am in Lebanon I know of a very reputable breeder of Pyr's. They are a very reasonable price and they give you tons of support after the sale. They are located in Norene.

Feel free to call me for their info.

Melody Weist
Double Creek Farm
Lebanon,Tn
615-286-4166

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> hoping that my insurance will pay. I am so glad that it is warming up too. I
> love spring and I was really looking forward to my cria next month. Things
> will get better, I just have to trust in God.
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> Thank you,
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> Wendy
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posted by Chaddo at 9:47 AM 0 comments