alpacas: 11/06/08

Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: [Alpaca meat

Honestly, we very legally wrote off the entire purchase price of our starter
females - and we don't ever plan on selling them, so it really was a great
deal for us. If anyone needs the write-off, alpacas still are a great
investment. What other investment returns that type of percentage (from the
offspring)?

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

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In a message dated 11/6/2008 4:21:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
humhojl120@hotmail.com writes:

--- In _AlpacaTalk@yahoogroAlpacaT_ (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com) ,
LunarStruck@, Luna
>
> Depending upon your income bracket, the write off can be
significant. It
> really worked to our benefit the first year and allowed us to buy
our starter
> females without actually putting out any money we wouldn't have
already paid
> for taxes that year. So whatever they produce at this point,
minus their
> expenses, is profit. Pretty good deal, wouldn't you say?
>
> SUSAN OLSON
> Alpaca Loco
> Riverside, CA
>
> ============ =====

Sorry, Susan, whilst everyone has different tax circumstances, I
don't see how anyone in the US can recover ALL their alpaca
expenditure in tax, because no-one pays 100% tax on their
income or capital gains.

Also what you seem to be describing is a deferment of tax, by way of
accelerated depreciation. For example, lets assume you buy an alpaca
for $20,000 and wholly write off the cost in year 1, saving say
$7,000 tax that year (20,000@ 35%). The alpaca still costs $13,000 net
(20,000-7,000)(20,000-7,000)<WBR>. If you then sell it 3 years late
tax will then arise on that $10,000 (say at 35% too, or $3,500),
giving a net income that year of $6,500 (10,000-3,500)giving a n
alpaca has still cost (net) $6,500 over the 3 years. The $3,500 "tax
saving" is not some special bonus, but just a fair allowance for the
fact that (in this example) you have actually lost (gross) $10,000
over 3 years.

Richard
Maidstone Kent UK

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Beet Pulp

I feed beetpulp as well, particularly in the winter months when body scores can go down and also if an alpaca hasn't been doing well for whatever reason, injury, low weight whatever. I mix it in a special formula I put together that includes pellets, beet pulp, calf manna and a few other little treats and tricks that are secret but dearly loved by the critters. It really helps put on the weight. It may take a bit of time for them to get used to it or for you to see the side effects but it can really work wonders.

Mary

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Ballston Lake, New York
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From: Allison Moss-Fritch <aemoss17@comcast.net>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 4:26:34 PM
Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] Beet Pulp

Hi Janice,

With our skinny girls and our thin from nursing mom's to be.we use a
smorgasbord which includes moistened beet pulp, pellets for our area,
oatmeal, flaxseed freshly ground.and alfalfa. We mix the grains
together.including moistened and squeezed beet pulp. The alfalfa is "on the
side" and each girl gets her portion when she is segregated from the rest so
that she can enjoy the "whole thing" in peace without competition. We have
seen real improvement in body score and they seem to enjoy having a
non-competitive opportunity to eat everything to their heart's content.

We have liked the results and the animals like the menu!

Allison Moss-Fritch

New Moon Alpacas

Santa Clara, CA

http://www.newmoona lpacas.com

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com] On
Behalf Of houckj@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:57 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Beet Pulp

Does anyone here feed beet pulp to their alpacas? I started feeding it
to our much loved elderly horse this year and have been so pleased with
her weight and coat improvement. I started giving it to my dog who has
been suffered with coat and skin problems for a couple of years and
nothing seems to help. His stool almost immediately improved, it's been
a few weeks and I've yet to see any changes in his coat. I've started
giving it to my inside cat who always has a hard tiny stool; but she
won't eat but a tiny tiny bite of it.
I started giving it to my alpacas about a week ago. They love it. Any
thoughts or info anyone?

Also, wanted to let you all know that I just recently read that ducks
will "totally clear your garden of snails and slugs". I am excited to
think they have cleaned up the snails in the alpaca pasture they share.

Warmly, Janice in GA

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Beet Pulp

Hi Janice,

With our skinny girls and our thin from nursing mom's to be.we use a
smorgasbord which includes moistened beet pulp, pellets for our area,
oatmeal, flaxseed freshly ground.and alfalfa. We mix the grains
together.including moistened and squeezed beet pulp. The alfalfa is "on the
side" and each girl gets her portion when she is segregated from the rest so
that she can enjoy the "whole thing" in peace without competition. We have
seen real improvement in body score and they seem to enjoy having a
non-competitive opportunity to eat everything to their heart's content.

We have liked the results and the animals like the menu!

Allison Moss-Fritch

New Moon Alpacas

Santa Clara, CA

http://www.newmoonalpacas.com

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of houckj@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:57 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Beet Pulp

Does anyone here feed beet pulp to their alpacas? I started feeding it
to our much loved elderly horse this year and have been so pleased with
her weight and coat improvement. I started giving it to my dog who has
been suffered with coat and skin problems for a couple of years and
nothing seems to help. His stool almost immediately improved, it's been
a few weeks and I've yet to see any changes in his coat. I've started
giving it to my inside cat who always has a hard tiny stool; but she
won't eat but a tiny tiny bite of it.
I started giving it to my alpacas about a week ago. They love it. Any
thoughts or info anyone?

Also, wanted to let you all know that I just recently read that ducks
will "totally clear your garden of snails and slugs". I am excited to
think they have cleaned up the snails in the alpaca pasture they share.

Warmly, Janice in GA

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Beet Pulp

Hello, Janice!

I have never thought that feeding grain to our alpacas was a good thing. I just don't think that their guts are wired for grain and it may cause more problems than it fixes. I feed beet pulp that I've soaked. They love it! It holds their weight and they are healthy. If I have eight issues with nursing moms I add a handfull of Calf Manna and they love it. I won't know about fleece quality until the spring - just started feeding the beet pulp alone on a daily basis.

Karen Mander-Burnworth
Mill Creek Alpaca Farm and Mercantile
Sandy Lake, PA

----- Original Message -----
From: houckj@aol.com
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:57 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Beet Pulp

Does anyone here feed beet pulp to their alpacas? I started feeding it
to our much loved elderly horse this year and have been so pleased with
her weight and coat improvement. I started giving it to my dog who has
been suffered with coat and skin problems for a couple of years and
nothing seems to help. His stool almost immediately improved, it's been
a few weeks and I've yet to see any changes in his coat. I've started
giving it to my inside cat who always has a hard tiny stool; but she
won't eat but a tiny tiny bite of it.
I started giving it to my alpacas about a week ago. They love it. Any
thoughts or info anyone?

Also, wanted to let you all know that I just recently read that ducks
will "totally clear your garden of snails and slugs". I am excited to
think they have cleaned up the snails in the alpaca pasture they share.

Warmly, Janice in GA

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[AlpacaTalk] Beet Pulp

Does anyone here feed beet pulp to their alpacas? I started feeding it
to our much loved elderly horse this year and have been so pleased with
her weight and coat improvement. I started giving it to my dog who has
been suffered with coat and skin problems for a couple of years and
nothing seems to help. His stool almost immediately improved, it's been
a few weeks and I've yet to see any changes in his coat. I've started
giving it to my inside cat who always has a hard tiny stool; but she
won't eat but a tiny tiny bite of it.
I started giving it to my alpacas about a week ago. They love it. Any
thoughts or info anyone?

Also, wanted to let you all know that I just recently read that ducks
will "totally clear your garden of snails and slugs". I am excited to
think they have cleaned up the snails in the alpaca pasture they share.

Warmly, Janice in GA

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: [Alpaca meat

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, AmyJoLabbe@... wrote:
>
> Susan and others!
>
> Yes I say it all the time when people ask how easy alpacas are
compared to
> the horses and I respond - the dont need to be brushed every day
(actually
> never). What the horse eats in 6 days, the alpaca eats in a MONTH.
Alpacas dont
> get skin conditions because they got rained on! And Alpacas dont
WALK AND POOP
> at the same time!
>
>
> AmyJo
> Alpacas at Dragon Fly Farm
> Canterbury, CT

What's with the comparison between alpacas and horses all of a
sudden? You can't ride alpacas and you don't keep horses to shear
them or (usually) to eat them either! People surely don't buy alpacas
just because they are easier/cheaper to manage than horses? The
proper comparison would be between buying alpacas and say sheep.

Richard
Maidstone Kent UK

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: [Alpaca meat

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, LunarStruck@... wrote:
>
> Depending upon your income bracket, the write off can be
significant. It
> really worked to our benefit the first year and allowed us to buy
our starter
> females without actually putting out any money we wouldn't have
already paid
> for taxes that year. So whatever they produce at this point,
minus their
> expenses, is profit. Pretty good deal, wouldn't you say?
>
> SUSAN OLSON
> Alpaca Loco
> Riverside, CA
>
> ==================

Sorry, Susan, whilst everyone has different tax circumstances, I
don't see how anyone in the US can recover ALL their alpaca
expenditure in tax, because no-one pays 100% tax on their
income or capital gains.

Also what you seem to be describing is a deferment of tax, by way of
accelerated depreciation. For example, lets assume you buy an alpaca
for $20,000 and wholly write off the cost in year 1, saving say
$7,000 tax that year (20,000@ 35%). The alpaca still costs $13,000 net
(20,000-7,000). If you then sell it 3 years later for say $10,000,
tax will then arise on that $10,000 (say at 35% too, or $3,500),
giving a net income that year of $6,500 (10,000-3,500). So that
alpaca has still cost (net) $6,500 over the 3 years. The $3,500 "tax
saving" is not some special bonus, but just a fair allowance for the
fact that (in this example) you have actually lost (gross) $10,000
over 3 years.

Richard
Maidstone Kent UK

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: [Alpaca meat

Susan and others!

Yes I say it all the time when people ask how easy alpacas are compared to
the horses and I respond - the dont need to be brushed every day (actually
never). What the horse eats in 6 days, the alpaca eats in a MONTH. Alpacas dont
get skin conditions because they got rained on! And Alpacas dont WALK AND POOP
at the same time!

AmyJo
Alpacas at Dragon Fly Farm
Canterbury, CT
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