Re: [AlpacaTalk] female mating
I really should spell check more carefully.
Laura Roberts
R Half Pint Farm
We have not been in the business long. This May was our second hand of shearing and I was very concerned about an over due girl who looked like she was ready to pop! I had the vet out on a Thursday to examine her and we had her leave us enough sedation to help keep her calm with the “ I don’t care “ attitude. She was sheared on the table with no issues on Sunday. The following Tuesday (two days later) we welcomed Magnolia into the herd. 17 pounds and beautiful.
I am a firm believer in using the sedation. It doesn’t knock them out……..just takes the edge off and worked wonders with some of the bigger boys that aren’t cooperative. I intend to keep some on hand for the tough nail trimmers, too.
Sorry you lost the cria. I was concerned about losing hers and am so thankful we didn’t.
Laura
Laura Roberts
R Half Pint Farm
We have not been in the business long. This May was our second hand of shearing and I was very concerned about an over due girl who looked like she was ready to pop! I had the vet out on a Thursday to examine her and we had her leave us enough sedation to help keep her calm with the “ I don’t care “ attitude. She was sheared on the table with no issues on Sunday. The following Tuesday (two days later) we welcomed Magnolia into the herd. 17 pounds and beautiful.
I am a firm believer in using the seadation. It doesn’t know them out……..just takes the edge off and worked wonders with some of the bigger boys that aren’t cooperative. I intend to keep some on hand for the tough nail trimmers, too.
Sorry you lost the cria. I was concerned about losing hers and am so thankful we didn’t.
Laura
Laura Roberts
R Half Pint Farm
I sold her as a bred maiden, but her new owner didn't report a birthing problem.
That is interesting,has she had problems birthing? They come in all shapes and sizes--I guess! Always,T
Tina Travis
Elkhorn Alpacas
31655 Elkhorn Glen
Warrenton,MO.63383
636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930
traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com
Alpacas are a rare treasure,
one that I like to share!!!!
From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, August 22, 2010 1:32:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Van riding...Bathroom Breaks
I haven't read the entire thread yet, but I'll say that 107 lbs may not be poor condition. I sold a girl who weighed only 102 lbs at 2 years old, and a CameliDynamics practitioner told me he thought she may have been a bit over conditioned. She's just a tall, slim, supermodel! :D
HeatherHeather ZelenyWhite Lotus AlpacasOregonHolistic Farm and Elite Fleece
On Aug 22, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Nancy Miller wrote:
It seems to me that more than the traveling was going on there. 107 is extremely light for a dam unless she is very SMALL.
Nancy MillerCrooked Pine Hollow Alpacas76 Van LaneWinterville, Ga. 30683
Tina Travis
Elkhorn Alpacas
31655 Elkhorn Glen
Warrenton,MO.63383
636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930
traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com
Alpacas are a rare treasure,
one that I like to share!!!!
I haven't read the entire thread yet, but I'll say that 107 lbs may not be poor condition. I sold a girl who weighed only 102 lbs at 2 years old, and a CameliDynamics practitioner told me he thought she may have been a bit over conditioned. She's just a tall, slim, supermodel! :D
It seems to me that more than the traveling was going on there. 107 is extremely light for a dam unless she is very SMALL.
Nancy MillerCrooked Pine Hollow Alpacas76 Van LaneWinterville, Ga. 30683
Tina Travis
Elkhorn Alpacas
31655 Elkhorn Glen
Warrenton,MO.63383
636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930
traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com
Alpacas are a rare treasure,
one that I like to share!!!!
Hi JaniceElizabeth,
Girls will mount girls as a "courtesy" to ease the frustrations of an open girl. The other reason this might occur has to do with hormone shift/imbalance. Mounting generally does not concern me; I am more concerned about the statement that your girl lost her pregnancy due to shearing her while pregnant.
We have been in business since 2004; our animals were in Stockton, CA---where the heat can top 117 at times---and we shear ALL of our animals, no matter how pregnant they are. We have NEVER lost a pregnancy due to the shearing stress….so the question becomes---
Most farms I know do shear everyone and do not lose pregnancies due to shearing. Why is the shearing your girl has so stressful for her?
HOW are you shearing that it is so stressful for your girl or is there something else going on?
We use shearing restraints on the ground. I have seen them also shorn standing, but we have much better results with ground restraints over a mat, safer, faster for people and animals. Shearing tables can work also, and save the back of the shearer.
All our girls---some as near to birthing as a week---are shorn "nudie" yearly, except for one older girl who does not have enough fleece to make it through the winter cold if we don't leave the fleece; we alternate her between barrel cut, no cut and nudie.
Now, this year we have relocated to Washington state---we sheared much later in the season---but again, everyone was shorn, save the one.
Perhaps this particular girl could use a workup from a reproductive vet? It is a shame to lose a breeding you have been anticipating for over a year---we have had it happen, but not often. Does this girl go down in condition while nursing the prior cria and carrying the new one? Perhaps she needs some extra nutritional support or some additional considerations---time to talk to the vet!
Best of luck with the next breeding and cria…
Allison
Allison E. Moss-Fritch
New Moon Alpacas
350 Cloquallum Rd.
Elma, WA 98541
360 861-8584
From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jelizabethfarms1@bellsouth.net
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:07 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] female mating
My breeding female has been mating our young girl (her dtr) lately.
She was preg, but lost the baby with the stress of shearing this year
(same as last year) - huge disappointment as we were looking forward to
a fall cria :-(. Evidently to her as well. She has all summer been
jumping up on the back of this only slightly smaller female, but the
past week she has been performing actual mating behavior. The smaller
one is cushed and the older female is mating her - exactly as a male
would do. Same vocals, same body movements. Then when she rolls off
she just lays there on her side appearing to be in pain or discomfort
with her back legs frozen in position, hard to describe - laying on her
side with her hind legs up in the air separated.
Is this common? Should I be worried about anything? The younger one
doesn't seem to mind, is not struggling to get away or anything.
She has been flirting over the fence and the male has about torn down
the fence to get to her but it is way too hot and I do NOT want a summer
cria next year. So I will not be allowing them to get together for a
date until well into fall.
Thanks, JaniceElizabeth
I haven't read the entire thread yet, but I'll say that 107 lbs may not be poor condition. I sold a girl who weighed only 102 lbs at 2 years old, and a CameliDynamics practitioner told me he thought she may have been a bit over conditioned. She's just a tall, slim, supermodel! :D
It seems to me that more than the traveling was going on there. 107 is extremely light for a dam unless she is very SMALL.
Nancy MillerCrooked Pine Hollow Alpacas76 Van LaneWinterville, Ga. 30683
Tina Travis
Elkhorn Alpacas
31655 Elkhorn Glen
Warrenton,MO.63383
636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930
traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com
Alpacas are a rare treasure,
one that I like to share!!!!
It seems to me that more than the traveling was going on there. 107 is extremely light for a dam unless she is very SMALL.
From: danimac2711 <edana_mckenzie@earthlink.net>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:25 pm
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Van riding...Bathroom Breaks
I would only use a van for trips that don't take more than a day. Our first year in the business, we bought a dam from NY. They transported, using a large dodge or ford van and never stopping (due to unforeseen circumstances, they had to do the trip over a long weekend).
However, the dam rarely ate because of the movement (I wonder if she was having flashbacks, as she was an import). She arrived 10 lbs underweight (her normal weight's only ~107), not enough milk for the cria and she aborted the 4-5 month old fetus not long after she arrived.
I wasn't in a position to return her to be rebred (nor did I want to subject her to that). So I ended up losing over a year's breeding and the cost of a local stud's fees.
I've not had any issues with pregnant dams that have been transported via a trailer.
Cheers,
Dani
Dani McKenzie & Hovey Moore
Longbottom Meadows
Roy, WA
360-400-0348
http://www.longbottommeadows.com/
http://www.alpacathewayitshouldbe.us/index.html
--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "DJ's" <jewl80fm47@...> wrote:
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> LOL Judith,
> that would just be my luck! :c)
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> Donna
> Cuddly DD Alpacas
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Judith Korff/Ladysong Farm
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 8:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Van riding...Bathroom Breaks
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> Even though I generally give them a break or two on longer trips, they seldom potty there; they're too busy looking around and gathering crowds. Almost every one of my alps, however, will potty as I turn into my driveway on the way home! They can have ridden for 8 hours or 8 minutes; they still do their business just as I get home.
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> Judith Korff
> LadySong Farm Bolivian Suri Alpacas
> Music to Your Wallet
> Randolph, New York 14772
> Cell: (716) 499-0383
> www.alpacanation.com/ladysong.asp
>
From: danimac2711 <edana_mckenzie@earthlink.net>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:25 pm
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Van riding...Bathroom Breaks
I would only use a van for trips that don't take more than a day. Our first year in the business, we bought a dam from NY. They transported, using a large dodge or ford van and never stopping (due to unforeseen circumstances, they had to do the trip over a long weekend).
However, the dam rarely ate because of the movement (I wonder if she was having flashbacks, as she was an import). She arrived 10 lbs underweight (her normal weight's only ~107), not enough milk for the cria and she aborted the 4-5 month old fetus not long after she arrived.
I wasn't in a position to return her to be rebred (nor did I want to subject her to that). So I ended up losing over a year's breeding and the cost of a local stud's fees.
I've not had any issues with pregnant dams that have been transported via a trailer.
Cheers,
Dani
Dani McKenzie & Hovey Moore
Longbottom Meadows
Roy, WA
360-400-0348
http://www.longbottommeadows.com/
http://www.alpacathewayitshouldbe.us/index.html
--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "DJ's" <jewl80fm47@...> wrote:
>
> LOL Judith,
> that would just be my luck! :c)
>
> Donna
> Cuddly DD Alpacas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Judith Korff/Ladysong Farm
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 8:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Van riding...Bathroom Breaks
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> Even though I generally give them a break or two on longer trips, they seldom potty there; they're too busy looking around and gathering crowds. Almost every one of my alps, however, will potty as I turn into my driveway on the way home! They can have ridden for 8 hours or 8 minutes; they still do their business just as I get home.
>
> Judith Korff
> LadySong Farm Bolivian Suri Alpacas
> Music to Your Wallet
> Randolph, New York 14772
> Cell: (716) 499-0383
> www.alpacanation.com/ladysong.asp
>