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Tuesday, March 17, 2009

[AlpacaTalk] Re: bill against farms

I just read an article on this and it also could prohibit people from using and collecting their own seeds (due to requiring facilities/equipment no small farms could afford). Ultimately, this would mean everyone would have to buy their seed from large agro companies (can you say GMO). Also, while this MAY not affect alpaca owners right now (and that is a BIG may) many of us also raise poultry and sell the eggs, and/or other livestock for meat. Another shocker in there is they could prohibit the raising of crops and food animals on the same farm!! Apparently similar laws in other countries (EU, India, Iraq) have resulted in the decimation of small and organic farms.

Please, call your senators!

Morgen,
Claverack, NY

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>
> This is a scary bill, granted no one eats alpacas, but the impact is
> frightening.
>
>
> This is an interesting piece of _legislation_
> (http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=12671) . It seems the food police want to criminalize
> organic farming and the backyard gardener. This bill is sitting in committee and
> we need to contact our legislators about this.
>
> Here’s _the bill_ (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.875:)
> itself.
>
>
>
> _http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.875_
> (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.875) :
>
>
>
>
> Pay special attention to Section 3 (which is the definitions portion of the
> bill-read in it’s entirety) and sections 103, 206 and 207. Read those
> sections in their entirety.
>
>
>
> Red flags of this bill:
>
>
> Legally binds state agriculture depts to enforcing federal guidelines
> effectively taking away the states power to do anything other than being food
> police for the federal dept.
>
>
>
>
>
> Effectively criminalizes organic farming but doesn’t actually use the word
> organic
> Effects anyone growing food even if they are not selling it but consuming
> it.
> Effects anyone producing meat of any kind including wild game.
> Legislation is so broad based that every aspect of growing or producing food
> can be made illegal. There are no specifics which is bizarre considering how
> long the legislation is.
> Section 103 is almost entirely about the administrative aspect of the
> legislation. It will allow the appointing of officials from the factory farming
> corporations and lobbyists and classify them as experts and allow them to
> determine and interpret the legislation. Who do you think they are going to side
> with?
> Section 206 defines what will be considered a food production facility and
> what will be enforced up all food production facilities. The wording is so
> broad based that a backyard gardener could be fined and more.
> Section 207 requires that the state’s agriculture dept act as the food
> police and enforce the federal requirements. This takes away the states power and
> is in violation of the 10th amendment.
>
>
>
>
> Didn’t Stalin nationalize farming methods that enabled his administration to
> gain control over the food supply? Didn’t Stalin use the food to control the
> people?
>
> Just for reference, here's who sponsored this:
>
>
> Sponsor: Rep DeLauro, Rosa L. CT {DEM}
>
> 39 cosponsors â€"
> Rep Berkley, Shelley NV {DEM}
> Rep Bishop, Sanford D., Jr. GA {DEM}
> Rep Bishop, Timothy H. NY {DEM}
> Rep Carson, Andre IN {DEM}
> Rep Castor, Kathy FL {DEM}
> Rep Courtney, Joe CT {DEM}
> Rep DeFazio, Peter A. OR {DEM}
> Rep DeGette, Diana CO {DEM}
> Rep Engel, Eliot L. NY {DEM}
> Rep Eshoo, Anna G. CA {DEM}
> Rep Farr, Sam CA {DEM}
> Rep Filner, Bob CA {DEM}
> Rep Giffords, Gabrielle AZ {DEM}
> Rep Grijalva, Raul M. AZ {DEM}
> Rep Hall, John J. NY {DEM}
> Rep Hinchey, Maurice D. NY {DEM}
> Rep Hirono, Mazie K. HI {DEM}
> Rep Johnson, Eddie Bernice TX {DEM}
> Rep Kaptur, Marcy OH {DEM}
> Rep Lee, Barbara CA {DEM}
> Rep Lowey, Nita M. NY {DEM}
> Rep McCollum, Betty MN {DEM}
> Rep McDermott, Jim WA {DEM}
> Rep McGovern, James P. MA {DEM}
> Rep Moore, Gwen WI {DEM}
> Rep Murphy, Christopher S. CT {DEM}
> Rep Nadler, Jerrold NY {DEM}
> Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes DC {DEM}
> Rep Pingree, Chellie ME {DEM}
> Rep Ryan, Tim OH {DEM}
> Rep Sanchez, Linda T. CA {DEM}
> Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. IL {DEM}
> Rep Schauer, Mark H. MI {DEM}
> Rep Slaughter, Louise McIntosh NY {DEM}
> Rep Stark, Fortney Pete CA {DEM}
> Rep Sutton, Betty OH {DEM}
> Rep Tierney, John F. MA {DEM}
> Rep Wasserman Schultz, Debbie FL {DEM}
> Rep Wexler, Robert FL {DEM}
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posted by Chaddo at 1:11 PM 0 comments

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: bill against farms

Thanks for posting this capecod (you didn't sign your post so I don't
know who you are).

As an organic farmer I have been following this very closely and it is
scary beyond belief. You are right about Stalin, as well as other
gov'ts that have controlled the food supply as a way to control the
people.
This bill is interlocked with several others, most notably the NAIS
which must now be passed in order for this bill to "work". And yes that
will affect us as alpaca farms as well.
But there are other bills as well, all interlocking, that scare the
bejesus out of me and should everyone that grows a little food. Did you
hear about the single mom that was arrested and handcuffed in front of
her 4 kids for selling goat's milk? Or the homeschooling hog farmers
whose hogs, including the pet pigs that were bottle raised, were shot
with shotguns right in front of the children and then hauled off on the
Ag dept trucks trailing blood all the way? Or the organic coop in PA or
IL (can't remember now) that was swarmed by a SWAT team from AG dept,
held at gun point, including the children, in their home while the men
searched their property and confiscated their entire year's worth of put
up food AND all their animals? this was done because they GAVE a dozen
eggs to an undercover agent trying to purchase eggs from them for his
"ailing mother". They supposedly did not have the proper license to bes
running a "food facility", when all they had done was open up their
garage to provide a location for other farmers to bring their
organically raised foods to sell to MEMBERS of the coop only. This and
similar actions all occurred in the past 6-12 mos in AMERICA. This is
all going on under our noses, WITHOUT benefit of this bill. Folks,
there is something foul afoot.

There are those that say many are being alarmist and that there is no
language in this bill that specifically states that personal producers
will be effected. However, the frightening part is the vagueness of the
language in the bill, which *IS* strange given the length and detail of
it. It is the very vagueness which puts us all at risk. Big Brother is
opening the door and sticking their big fat foot right in it so we
cannot close it again. So many folks have already been negatively
affected by their state dept of ag - maybe personal vendettas, who
knows. But once this bill gets in place, dept of ag will have the power
to basically shut down and worse arrest anyone they don't like, anyone
upsetting the apple cart, etc etc. I could tell you so many
unbelievable stories that have happened to organically growing,
homeschooling, coop running, csa, etc type. There is even language
floating around that they will make it illegal to grow your OWN
medicinal herbs.

Many feel there is a lot of exaggeration going around about this bill.
Yet the proof is in the pudding. There are many examples around the
world of how the people have been controlled by these sorts of
regulations; and in our own country of folks that have been put out of
business and forced into bankruptcy due to the actions of over zealous
Ag people slaughtering all their animals, burning their orange groves, etc.

I am starting some beehives this year. The next county over from me has
recently classified honey bees as "livestock" and coincidently it is
illlegal in that county to have "livestock" on less than 2 acres. With
NAIS every one of those honey bees will now have to be microchipped!!!@

Oh I could go on and on, but I won't. I'm just thankful so many are out
here spreading the word around about what is really going on. Calling
it the Food Safety Bill is simply a misnomer to pull the wool over most
legislatures' eyes who don't/won't take the time to actually read the
thing before signing it.

Warmly, Janice

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posted by Chaddo at 1:11 PM 0 comments

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[AlpacaTalk] bill against farms

This is a scary bill, granted no one eats alpacas, but the impact is
frightening.


This is an interesting piece of _legislation_
(http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=12671) . It seems the food police want to criminalize
organic farming and the backyard gardener. This bill is sitting in committee and
we need to contact our legislators about this.

Here's _the bill_ (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.875:)
itself.

_http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.875_
(http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.875) :

Pay special attention to Section 3 (which is the definitions portion of the
bill-read in it's entirety) and sections 103, 206 and 207. Read those
sections in their entirety.

Red flags of this bill:

Legally binds state agriculture depts to enforcing federal guidelines
effectively taking away the states power to do anything other than being food
police for the federal dept.

Effectively criminalizes organic farming but doesn't actually use the word
organic
Effects anyone growing food even if they are not selling it but consuming
it.
Effects anyone producing meat of any kind including wild game.
Legislation is so broad based that every aspect of growing or producing food
can be made illegal. There are no specifics which is bizarre considering how
long the legislation is.
Section 103 is almost entirely about the administrative aspect of the
legislation. It will allow the appointing of officials from the factory farming
corporations and lobbyists and classify them as experts and allow them to
determine and interpret the legislation. Who do you think they are going to side
with?
Section 206 defines what will be considered a food production facility and
what will be enforced up all food production facilities. The wording is so
broad based that a backyard gardener could be fined and more.
Section 207 requires that the state's agriculture dept act as the food
police and enforce the federal requirements. This takes away the states power and
is in violation of the 10th amendment.

Didn't Stalin nationalize farming methods that enabled his administration to
gain control over the food supply? Didn't Stalin use the food to control the
people?

Just for reference, here's who sponsored this:

Sponsor: Rep DeLauro, Rosa L. CT {DEM}

39 cosponsors –
Rep Berkley, Shelley NV {DEM}
Rep Bishop, Sanford D., Jr. GA {DEM}
Rep Bishop, Timothy H. NY {DEM}
Rep Carson, Andre IN {DEM}
Rep Castor, Kathy FL {DEM}
Rep Courtney, Joe CT {DEM}
Rep DeFazio, Peter A. OR {DEM}
Rep DeGette, Diana CO {DEM}
Rep Engel, Eliot L. NY {DEM}
Rep Eshoo, Anna G. CA {DEM}
Rep Farr, Sam CA {DEM}
Rep Filner, Bob CA {DEM}
Rep Giffords, Gabrielle AZ {DEM}
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. AZ {DEM}
Rep Hall, John J. NY {DEM}
Rep Hinchey, Maurice D. NY {DEM}
Rep Hirono, Mazie K. HI {DEM}
Rep Johnson, Eddie Bernice TX {DEM}
Rep Kaptur, Marcy OH {DEM}
Rep Lee, Barbara CA {DEM}
Rep Lowey, Nita M. NY {DEM}
Rep McCollum, Betty MN {DEM}
Rep McDermott, Jim WA {DEM}
Rep McGovern, James P. MA {DEM}
Rep Moore, Gwen WI {DEM}
Rep Murphy, Christopher S. CT {DEM}
Rep Nadler, Jerrold NY {DEM}
Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes DC {DEM}
Rep Pingree, Chellie ME {DEM}
Rep Ryan, Tim OH {DEM}
Rep Sanchez, Linda T. CA {DEM}
Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. IL {DEM}
Rep Schauer, Mark H. MI {DEM}
Rep Slaughter, Louise McIntosh NY {DEM}
Rep Stark, Fortney Pete CA {DEM}
Rep Sutton, Betty OH {DEM}
Rep Tierney, John F. MA {DEM}
Rep Wasserman Schultz, Debbie FL {DEM}
Rep Wexler, Robert FL {DEM}

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posted by Chaddo at 5:11 AM 0 comments