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[AlpacaTalk] seeding new pasture in Maine

I have property in Corinna, ME that I cleared last fall. I am ready to
seed it. It will be used for grazing but probably not for a couple
years so it will have time to establish and be properly mowed. The
property will never be used for haying. Too hilly and too wet at
times. I am seeking advice from anyone who has seeded their own
property or has hired someone to seed their property or knows of
anyone who has seeded. I have already done the soil test. rich in
nutrients. limed last fall but it was too late to seed. i have done
some research and have found this...

orchard grass blend:
http://www.outsidepride.com/catalog/Orchard-Grass-p-17219.html
grazing blend:
http://www.outsidepride.com/catalog/All-purpose-Mix-p-17172.html

i am thinking 1 part grazing blend with 2 or 3 parts orchard grass
blend to cut the potency of the clover. this seems to be a balanced
blend for the alpaca and well suited to the climate of corinna, me.

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[AlpacaTalk] Teeth obvious

Hi there - I have a black girl that often has her teeth visable - does
this always mean a fault of some sort or do some animals just do
that? She is quite shy so I haven't examined her teeth and to be
honest I doubt I would be able to pick a fault anyway given my
inexperience.

Thanks to all those who replied with medicine kit ideas - very helpful
to get your ideas!
Mandy
Bonita Alpacas
NZ

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Severe Eye Injury

hi Janice - i'm curious about the constant reference to the "Mexican guy" - do Mexican people know more about roosters than than other cultures? Just wondering ......

As to dogs and skin conditions - i had a dog who couldn't tolerate heat and developed all kinds of nasty conditions - even though she was short haired, i shaved her every spring, and no more skin problems - I also fed my dogs powdered brewers yeast in their food all year round and insects wouldn't even land on them, never mind bite them. This works for humans too.
My old girl, who just passed on at almost 15, had some allergies crop up in the last year of her life and i gave her benedryl - it didn't make her dopey at all - she was a big heavy girl and her weight may have had something to do with it, i'm not sure about that.

i'm learning a lot about medicines from this listserve and i thank you all for that - i try to have everything i will need on hand here, and i am always interested in learning about new products, or new ways of using known products.
all the best
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: houckj@aol.com
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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 7:21 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Severe Eye Injury

<<He ran up to me, I was five, and spurred my left cheek right below my
eye..I
still have a faint 1 inch vertical scar where that lovely supper with
feathers tried to spur me. He almost made it..and that is why he became the
Sunday dinner that week. My grandfather saw that rooster launch himself at
my face.and it was grandfather's hat that ruined the rooster's aim.
>>

OK, Allison, that does it, the rooster is either going to be despurred
(if I can find out how it is done - anyone here know?) or moved on. I
have a 2yo (tomorrow!) that often is in the pasture with all the
animals, I would die if he did anything to hurt her.....or my 10yo, or
me, or another alpaca.

So they can fly up and somehow twist themselves around to get that spur
to land where they are aiming? Pretty amazing feat. He is still young,
maybe 8 mos, and quite large. Even with 12 hens and only the one
rooster he has caused most of them to lose all their neck and back
feathers.

Heather, his spur is about an inch long, and rounded at the end, not
*exactly* pointed and sharp, and the Mexican guy working for me was
positive it couldn't cause this damage. He is blaming the cats. We
have a couple of very docile barn cats.....no way they would ever swat
at an alpaca.

We are enjoying a few days of cloudy weather thanks to Faye. A real
break for Allie, not having to stay cooped up in the tiny barn.....which
is rarely used for animals at all except in emergencies - we call it the
hospital. Her eye opened a bit better on Sunday and I was able to get
the drops in and see that the eye is blue and cloudy. I can see the
puncture/slash very clearly. It's still mushy.....I am holding onto to
what Heather said about the vitreous fluid being able to replenish
itself. The vet did say that being "mushy" was normal. By evening it
was clamped shut again. Either she is holding it closed to keep me out;
or a day outside has caused her pain and she is keeping it shut. The
vet said the bright light would be painful due to the Atropine drops.
This morning it was more open again, so the closure does seem to be
related to being out in the bright, if cloudy, light all day. She is
just so antsy and bored in the barn by herself all day. I don't want
her to get depressed and feel she needs to out on the ground, walking
about, eating, being with her friends, etc. I am keeping Snowball, her
son (who btw officially shed his diaper/bandages this morning) in the
small pen attached to the tiny barn for company, but he doesn't tend to
stay close to where the barn door is, but at least she can see him and
know she is not alone.

Thank goodness yesterday marked the end of the 7 day ordeal of getting
oral anitbiotics in her; the drops are easy compared to that, so things
should get a bit easier from here on out.

Janice, hoping for a miracle

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Severe Eye Injury

Janice:

Thanks for asking about my Buckey! He seems to be pretty much back
to his old self. It took a couple of days, but I suspect he was both
in pain and confused. He's gotten pain meds and rimadyl, which I'm
easing back on now. This is his 4th day post op, so he should be
doing better and seems to be.

As for your german shepherd, sounds like allergies to me. I had an
English Springer Spaniel that was a mess! They started when she was
about 2 years old. She had continual hot spots, oily skin, and very
smelly. An old country type vet told me he could always tell when an
allergic dog was in the waiting room based on the smell. She was
treated with steroids and it helped a little. I also bathed her
whenever I could with a special shampoo. Unfortunately, she was a
wonderful puppy and promised to be great dog, but she got nastier and
nastier as time went on. She bit me once when I was bathing her --
and I got cellulitis in spite of seeing a doc and starting on
antibiotics less than 2-3 hours later. Couldn't blame her, but when
she went down and we found her kidneys were starting to go, I decided
to not mess around any longer and had her euthanized right away. The
dog was in constant misery with skin issues -- and we never saw a
flea nor did the cats have fleas. At the time there was nothing to
do and I still don't think there's a good way to treat allergic
dogs. One of my great pyrs also has allergies and I just keep a
close watch on her. Her skin isn't as bad as the other one's was,
but she has a bad ear. I can no longer treat it since she won't let
me near her if she even suspects I'm going to do anything. She gets
a very bad nose with fly bites, but I can't even put anything on
that. Poor dog!! Her personality is okay, but if she starts to get
real cranky, I'll have to have her put down,too -- won't be a happy
day since I adore her and she me, but..............when she gets
miserable (and I don't think she's there yet -- doesn't scratch all
the time or smell and no hot spots) I won't make her be like the
other one. She loves being loved, but she knows when there's
anything going to happen........left me in the dust (literally, since
I was leaning over her and she bolted and ran!) a couple times last
year when all I tried to do was smear some zinc oxide on her
nose!! One vet told me I could give her benadryl and it might help,
but also make her dopey........It doesn't seem worth what it does to
her. In any event, hope your dog gets better.

Take care and hope your animals continue to improve and that you get
some decent rest!!
Susan

Susan Forman & Eric Jenkins
Dewey Morning Alpacas
423 Greenfield-Sabina Rd.
Washington Court House, OH 43160
740-636-1899 Home
937-901-1509 Cell
http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
Home of Huey, Dewey and Louie

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: Severe Eye Injury

<<And birds will peck at eyes, some species more than
others.......ask my neighbor who says he lost a newborn calf to black
headed vultures now invading our area. They kill by pecking the
newborn's eyes out.....sick and disgusting, but a way of life for some
animals.

Good luck with this.
Susan>>

Eeeww!

How's your dog Susan?

Allison, how is your dog this morning? I hope the homeopathic pellets
worked. I am going to have to get me some of those; have Arnica, but
not Arnica Montana. And some of that oil that Heather posted about.

My german shepard chewed off the end of his tail last year - another
Eeewww. There was blood *everywhere* and it just wouldn't stop. Of
course it was midnight, thank goodness my dd saw it before we went to
bed or he surely would have bled to death. It has HARD to get it to
stop. Took till 4am with ice and cold compresses. Could have really
used that Arnica then. This is the same dog with the really stubborn
skin problems I have started spraying down with dilute goldenseal. The
incredibly itchy, stinky, peeling skin, oily hair syndrome has been
going on for well over a year. Got much better over the winter and his
coat grew back. Then summer heat hit and he started obsessively chewing
again and losing his hair. I do treat him with the Advantix alternately
with the Frontline, and I never see fleas on him; so I haven't a clue
what his problem is. He was dx with a thyroid problem last year and we
started the thyroid pills. That seemed to help over the winter, but
this summer it all started back up again - tho thankfully not nearly so
bad as last summer.

Tons of great info here! Thank you to you all for sharing.

Warmly, Janice

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: Severe Eye Injury

<<He ran up to me, I was five, and spurred my left cheek right below my
eye..I
still have a faint 1 inch vertical scar where that lovely supper with
feathers tried to spur me. He almost made it..and that is why he became the
Sunday dinner that week. My grandfather saw that rooster launch himself at
my face.and it was grandfather's hat that ruined the rooster's aim.
>>

OK, Allison, that does it, the rooster is either going to be despurred
(if I can find out how it is done - anyone here know?) or moved on. I
have a 2yo (tomorrow!) that often is in the pasture with all the
animals, I would die if he did anything to hurt her.....or my 10yo, or
me, or another alpaca.

So they can fly up and somehow twist themselves around to get that spur
to land where they are aiming? Pretty amazing feat. He is still young,
maybe 8 mos, and quite large. Even with 12 hens and only the one
rooster he has caused most of them to lose all their neck and back
feathers.

Heather, his spur is about an inch long, and rounded at the end, not
*exactly* pointed and sharp, and the Mexican guy working for me was
positive it couldn't cause this damage. He is blaming the cats. We
have a couple of very docile barn cats.....no way they would ever swat
at an alpaca.

We are enjoying a few days of cloudy weather thanks to Faye. A real
break for Allie, not having to stay cooped up in the tiny barn.....which
is rarely used for animals at all except in emergencies - we call it the
hospital. Her eye opened a bit better on Sunday and I was able to get
the drops in and see that the eye is blue and cloudy. I can see the
puncture/slash very clearly. It's still mushy.....I am holding onto to
what Heather said about the vitreous fluid being able to replenish
itself. The vet did say that being "mushy" was normal. By evening it
was clamped shut again. Either she is holding it closed to keep me out;
or a day outside has caused her pain and she is keeping it shut. The
vet said the bright light would be painful due to the Atropine drops.
This morning it was more open again, so the closure does seem to be
related to being out in the bright, if cloudy, light all day. She is
just so antsy and bored in the barn by herself all day. I don't want
her to get depressed and feel she needs to out on the ground, walking
about, eating, being with her friends, etc. I am keeping Snowball, her
son (who btw officially shed his diaper/bandages this morning) in the
small pen attached to the tiny barn for company, but he doesn't tend to
stay close to where the barn door is, but at least she can see him and
know she is not alone.

Thank goodness yesterday marked the end of the 7 day ordeal of getting
oral anitbiotics in her; the drops are easy compared to that, so things
should get a bit easier from here on out.

Janice, hoping for a miracle

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Severe Eye Injury

Janice,

It is not true that all prunus trees are toxic. Black Cherry and Choke Cherry are toxic, but according to one botany book, "A Guide to Plant Poisoning" an animal will have to consume close to 25% of its body in those species' leaves to be fatally affected. Please do not cut down the trees based on that advice for it is incorrect.

If you want to cut them down for the thorns, that is another issue. However, we have black locusts in our pastures (think of the thorns that are normally depicted around Christ's head at the crucifixion) and we have never had an injury. (Knock on wood). They are rapidly becoming the only trees standing, for my alpacas are "ringing" all of the ash trees and maple trees, stripping and consuming the bark. They aren't stripping the walnut trees either, but they do eat those leaves on occasion.

By the way, I agree with you about the rooster not being guilty. It could have even been a stemmy piece of grass that caused the initial injury.

Laurel

Tim & Laurel Shouvlin
Bluebird Hills Farm
3617 Derr Rd.
Springfield, Ohio 45503
bluebirdhills@voyager.net
www.bluebirdhills.com
937-206-3936

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Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:55 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Severe Eye Injury

<<they found her injured and assumed she ran into something....they
never knew
exactly what. As I recall....the drugs you mentioned sound like what
they used.

It began to look somewhat improved after about 2 weeks, but still nasty to
look at. Now it pretty much just looks scarred and cloudy.

Carolyn Marquette,

So it's open now? My Charlie Brown injured his eye slightly a few years
ago; it didn't look anything like this and that vet had me use the
antibiotic eye ointment. It healed right up and he just had a small
scarred spot on his eye afterwards, you couldn't even tell unless you
were really looking. But Allie's eye is looking very very bad to me.
This vet did say it would likely get worse before it gets better, but it
has gone totally to mush and I can barely get the eye open a tiny little
bit to put the drops in. She is really fighting me now after being
fairly cooperative for the first 5 days. I don't know if she is holding
it closed on purpose or it is just slammed shut on its own. She does
have it closed even when I am not messing with her. I hate not being
able to see her eye and I don't know how much longer I will be able to
get any drops in at all if it stays closed like this; (today makes only
one week of the 6-8 we have to do), but I guess having it closed will
help keep out bacteria and insects and maybe help it heal?? It just
looks like this thick tissue is descending over the eyeball?

In looking over the trees that are left to be cut, I was showing the guy
the 2 wild plums that have to go as well (the extension agent said that
all stone fruit trees in the prunus species are toxic (the wilted
leaves), not just cherry, but plum, peach, apricot, etc) and discovered
they have large "thorns" sticking out all over their branches; really
hard, sharp and nasty. That could have easily done this to her eye, yet
again I say she has lived in this pasture her whole life so i can't see
her just running into something with such force. She is older and
doesn't prance, run, or play around like the others, so I can't see her
getting shoved into something with the kind of force that would have
been necessary to create such a bad eye injury.

We (The Mexican guy) caught the rooster yesterday and looked at his
spurs and toe nails closely. He showed me how his spurs are not sharp
(and informed me of how blades are tied to them to make them dangerous,
ahem), and his toenails not large enough to do the sort of damage either
of my alpacas have rec'd. So no longer sure he is the culprit; tho I
see him going at all the alpacas.....even chasing them on occasion, I
don't see him inflicting the serious damage they both rec'd. Just a
mystery.

Janice in GA

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