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Re: [AlpacaTalk] 6.8 lb cria 4 days past due Help!

How is this lil baby doing?

Jim Guerin
Yelm, Wa

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Live Twins!!! Born 40 hours apart!!!

How are the twins doing?

Jim Guerin
Yelm, WA

In a message dated 8/17/2008 4:40:40 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
jenq@worldpath.net writes:

My alpaca Petunia gave birth to a very small baby boy 2 mornings
ago. Though we suspected a twin - none came... In the wee hours of
the morning today (at least 40 hours after first twin)the second twin
was born and rolled into another paddock away from his dam. He was
found by the owner of the farm where this dam resides, partially wet
and hungry but ALIVE!! Bad news is that his dam has refused to care
for him. Good news is that he is alive and well and we are hoping
that once he gets stronger - we can try for a reintroduction again OR
to see if another dam will foster him. The really amazing thing is
that based on what the babies look like - we suspect that the babies
might be from 2 sires. This second baby looks exactly like another
baby on the farm who is from a sire we had bred to her earlier. This
particular dam is hard to read in her pregnancy behavior and got bred
to 3 sires before we were convinced that she was pregnant.

Does anyone out there have any experience with twins or rejection or
twins from different sires??? It is truly amazing that these babies
are both alive FULL TERM twins. 11.4 and 10.4 lbs respectively.
Really hoping to get the second cria back out to the barn to mom OR
whoever will take him! Just thought i'd share this miracle :)

JenQ
Strafford, NH

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: teeth


I don't know if she smiles, because we haven't had to trim her yet. We have
two goats that smile all the time, though. I just noticed today that one of
our alpacas smiles and her teeth are perfect, though, so your vet may be
right. Talk to a local breeder before breeding him and see what their opinion
is of his bite.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

In a message dated 9/1/2008 7:52:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
wendy.edwards@shaw.ca writes:

hi Susan - does your llama smile even after you've trimmed her teeth? i'm
curious about this, as none of my other animals have this "exposed teeth"
appearance and i'm wondering if i should breed him - the vet says no problem, but
to me it still looks strange
Wendy
DreamWeaver Apacas
BC

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Lumpy Jaw - Actinomycosis bovis responsible for teeth


Hi Shirley - I did ask him if it was contagious and he said "no". I
got the impression the bug is everywhere but gets it when the jaw or
mouth is damaged. He said he has seen it it cows which have had a
broken jaw when young. Cuts and scrapes, teeth emerging etc - any
trauma to the mouth/jaw could set it off.

Scary stuff. I got the impression he hadn't seen it before in New
Zealand in Alpaca.

The obvious thing for me to do is ask Clovers' breeder if he knows
anything - but I can't get hold of him right now.
Mandy

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Lumpy Jaw - Actinomycosis bovis responsible for teeth

Mandy,

I know nothing about this disease but the first thing to come to my mind
was, did the vet say if it was contagious to your other animals? And, how
could she pick this up?

Shirley Dillon

Alpacas of Gemini Farm
Basking Ridge, NJ 07920

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[AlpacaTalk] Lumpy Jaw - Actinomycosis bovis responsible for teeth

Hi there - I can't quite believe it -but my young Alpaca with the
exposed teeth has been diagnosed with Lumpy Jaw and she may not make
it. I did an internet search and didn't find much so wanted to post
this for others to learn - most of you probably know about this
already and maybe to correct me if I get the facts wrong.

I got Clover [solid black] in February, already shorn. I
deliberately was "hands off" with her until she settled, which she
has now. When I first saw her last year I loved her - no teeth
showing and I even posted on this site asking about her behaviour
and if I could "tame" her.

Anyway, since Feb she has been with me and doing well. We had two
weeks of miserable weather in early August and she lost condition,
but so did the others. I started to notice her teeth a few months
back - but lately they are almost always noticeable.

My first indication of a problem was when I found a large scab in
the paddock with long black fleece - i.e. obviously not the remains
of an abortion. I puzzled over this and examined all my animals as
well as I could - blacks are hard to see weeping sores etc on.

A week after I found the scab I got them all in the yards to check
their undersides - thats when I found what I thought was an abcess
on Clovers chin. The scab had obviously come away from the chin and
at the edges it was still a bit pussy so I cut the fleece away to
open it up as much as possible. This was last Sunday and my vet was
away until Wednesday this week (Sept 3rd).

On the Monday (yesterday) I couldn't concentrate at work - I was
bothered by the fact that there were MULTIPLE leisons - abcessess
tend not to develop like that unless there are multiple abcesses -
it just didn't seem right to me - although I didn't stress Clover
but feeling her jaw - I did notice her jaw was swollen.

By 10am Monday I had worked out that something very bad was wrong
and she needed a vet ASAP. I got a vet to come that afternoon and
sure enough he found a swelling the size of an orange and
immediately identified it as Lumpy Jaw - he had seen it in cows.

She is on two types of antibiotics - penicillin and another to
target Actinomycosis bovis [I can't remember the name]. She has
already lost more condition than the other alpacas - and the teeth
showing seems to be due to the deformed jaw.

The vet was not positive about her future - if all the bugs can be
killed in the jaw she will remain permanently deformed. When there
is lots of grass etc she may well do ok and only lose condition when
the grass becomes shorter - of course she can eat hay ok and nuts
too.

When the vet left, to my horror she got "worse" - in that she kept
sitting down. I hoped it was a combination of stress and a sore
rear end from her injections - she seemed a little wobbly to me too
and this morning - although up and about - maybe slightly wobbly.

Can anyone out there advise me on what I could give her to eat to
perk her up a bit? She is supposedly pregnant, due December.

Thanks for listening - I have cut and pasted a bit about lumpy jaw I
found on the internet below.
Mandy
New Zealand

"Actinomycosis or lumpy jaw produces immovable hard swellings on the
upper and lower jawbones of cattle, commonly at the central molar
level. It is caused by an anaerobic micro-organism, Actinomyces
bovis. The bacterium invades tissue through breaks in the lining of
the mouth caused by eating rough forage. The tumor-like swellings
develop slowly and may take several months to reach a noticeable
size. Lumpy jaw may be well advanced before external signs are
visible. The lumps consist of honeycombed masses of thin bone
filled with yellow pus. If neglected the swellings may become very
large. In advanced cases openings develop and discharge small
amounts of sticky pus containing gritty yellow granules.

Difficult breathing due to involvement of the nasal bones may be the
first sign. As the disease progresses, chewing becomes more
difficult and painful, resulting in loss of condition.
Occasionally, the soft tissues of the head and alimentary tract can
be involved. Lesions in the alimentary tract give vague symptoms of
indigestion, often with chronic bloat.

The most common treatments are iodine therapy or tetracyclines.
Treatment is often ineffective."


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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: teeth

hi Susan - does your llama smile even after you've trimmed her teeth? i'm curious about this, as none of my other animals have this "exposed teeth" appearance and i'm wondering if i should breed him - the vet says no problem, but to me it still looks strange
Wendy
DreamWeaver Apacas
BC
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Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: teeth

Our llama has a "perpetual smile" - her teeth could stand trimming but its
not really necessary yet.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Heart Stopping Moments

Hi Marsha - Congratulations! The point of this story was to show how
easy birthing is for Alpacas. Yes there are sometimes complications,
and in this case she delivered exactly 30 days early and still no
issues. All our cria have come into the world unassisted. Of all the
births, one required a vet call, but no emergency, the cria was
dismature. The purpose of this is that the Alpaca is a very tough
animal and handles most of the husbandry without our intervention...a
little feed, cleanup, fresh water, proper minerals and vitamins, and
annual shearing - how much easier can it get - they really are great
animals to care for and with ease. Would love to ehar the outcome of
your first birth!
Regards, Michael
Michael and Margery A. Morack
MAM2@wi.rr.com
Waukesha, WI
--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Marsha Chaffins <polarb@...> wrote:
>
> Glad to hear that things ended for the good and not tragedy. We
have our first cria due in a couple weeks......very exciting moment
for us here at Never Forgotten Ranch.
> Marsha
>
> "Michael A. Morack" <mam2@...> wrote: My
wife and I had a business conference out of town and entrusted our
> Alpaca herd to a young girl who had extensive experience with horses.
> We left at 5:00 AM. She went out at 8:00AM for the morning chores and
> saw our oldest girl one month from delivery sprawled out in the
> pasture - DEAD! She ran out and as she got there the Alpaca raised
> her head and then she realized - NOT DEAD - IN LABOR! She ran back to
> the house got her cell phone and ran back out dialing the midwife. By
> the time she had the mid-wife on the phone the cria was on the ground
> and trying to get up. SHe asked what she had to do? The mid-wife
> said check for sex, everything else seems just fine. A girl - two
> holes you know...we returned Sunday to a very agitated young girl.
> She took us out and showed us the newborn. Two days later while
> weighing the little girl I noticed too much embilical cord...hmmmm - a
> boy! Not bad for her first time with Alapcas...her first day on the
> job, a dead Alpaca that turned out to be a live birth she witnessed,
> and got to do all the prep - poop plug, embilical dip and sex - well
> two out of three ain't bad...:)
>
> Michael and Margery A. Morack
> MAM Consulting Associates Inc - Greenbriar Farm
> Waukesha, WI
> 262.970.9633
> MAM2@...
>
>
>
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>
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