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Re: [AlpacaTalk] gelding a breeding male

I don't think it's ever advisable to put a gelding of any age with open
females, especially juveniles. A proven herdsire will undoubtedly breed
open females, breeding is a learned behavior in camelids and unlike
dogs and cats, the males anyway, will continue to breed if they can.
Come to think of it, some dogs and cats do, too, if they have bred
before neutering.

My greater question is why would someone want to geld a male who is a
proven breeder? In any instance, my preference would be to obtain a
non-breeder companion female.

Heather

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(formerly West Wind Alpacas)
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On Jul 5, 2008, at 8:47 PM, Emaly Leak wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a question about gelding a breeding male. The boy in question
> is 9
> years old, and has sired 5-10 crias. I am considering purchasing him
> as a
> fiber boy, but he would have to be gelded. First, is it an issue to
> geld a
> male that is this old? I wasn't sure about the anesthesia. Second, I
> would
> have to put him in with my female llamas and crias after he was gelded
> (after a waiting period, of course). Is there a good chance that a
> proven
> male would still calm down enough to be put in with females, or would
> he not
> be trust-worthy? I've only dealt with gelding younger males (under 3
> years
> old). Thanks, Emaly
>
> Emaly Leak
>
> Autumn Hill Llamas & Fiber
>
> llamapyr25@earthlink.net
>
> www.autumnhillllamas.com <http://www.autumnhillllamas.com/>
>
> Fairland, IN
>
> Llamas, Alpacas, German Angora Rabbits, and Fiber Items
>
> Female & Male Llamas For Sale
>
> Outside Breedings available to ALSA Halter Champion Male
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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[AlpacaTalk] gelding a breeding male

Hi,

I have a question about gelding a breeding male. The boy in question is 9
years old, and has sired 5-10 crias. I am considering purchasing him as a
fiber boy, but he would have to be gelded. First, is it an issue to geld a
male that is this old? I wasn't sure about the anesthesia. Second, I would
have to put him in with my female llamas and crias after he was gelded
(after a waiting period, of course). Is there a good chance that a proven
male would still calm down enough to be put in with females, or would he not
be trust-worthy? I've only dealt with gelding younger males (under 3 years
old). Thanks, Emaly

Emaly Leak

Autumn Hill Llamas & Fiber

llamapyr25@earthlink.net

www.autumnhillllamas.com <http://www.autumnhillllamas.com/>

Fairland, IN

Llamas, Alpacas, German Angora Rabbits, and Fiber Items

Female & Male Llamas For Sale

Outside Breedings available to ALSA Halter Champion Male

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Cria/Mom questions

That's what I thought too, but like I said, Dr. Evans was pretty insistent about the '45 day rule'. Slide show and all we had shown to us.

The only problem with this industry is that it seems there are a million ways to do just one thing, and everyone does something different. Being new to the biz, its sort of discouraging because there seems to be no straight answer for anything. I really appreciate the help! Its nice to be able to find a little help in your living room.

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On Jul 5, 2008, at 11:36 PM, "Jess Bowers" <alpacas@acresoflove.com> wrote:

For meningeal worm protection you should never stop treatment. Ivermectin
every 30 days year 'round. It will not cause birth defects nor abortions.
If you are in M-worm country you should start the cria at 4-6 weeks as well.

Any other parasite treatments should only be made based on fecal exam and
indications that treatment is needed.

Conrgats on the new one

Jess

Jess & Cookie Bowers
Acres of Love Alpaca Ranch
Acres of Love Alpaca Transport
11006 N 92nd East Ave
Owasso, OK 74055-6531
(918) 327-3519
Fax (918) 272-0969
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----- Original Message -----
From: "bntruble" <bntruble@yahoo.com>
To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 8:27 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Cria/Mom questions

> Hey guys!
>
> The newbie to the group is back with more questions... Ok! So, first
> cria born on the farm just yestarday... We appropriately called her
> Firecracker... We took a seminar in Harrisburg back at the Mapaca show
> this past spring, and Dr. Evans was the speaker. This whole thing will
> correlate, I promise.. So... he said when it came to worming, to avoid
> worming 45 days after breeding, and 45 days before the cria is
> expected... He said this will avoid birth defects/abortions in the
> cria... We followed his advice, and have a healthy cria... Our first
> one, thank god... Born healthy, and born a girl, can't ask for
> more... So my question... Worming... We are in a high white tail
> deer area, so worming is a necessity... I'm just curious as to when I
> can start worming mom again, and when to start the cria on a worming
> schedule also...
>
> Thanks in advance guys!
>
> Steve
> Simple CriaTions Alpaca Ranch
>
>
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Cria/Mom questions

For meningeal worm protection you should never stop treatment. Ivermectin
every 30 days year 'round. It will not cause birth defects nor abortions.
If you are in M-worm country you should start the cria at 4-6 weeks as well.

Any other parasite treatments should only be made based on fecal exam and
indications that treatment is needed.

Conrgats on the new one

Jess

Jess & Cookie Bowers
Acres of Love Alpaca Ranch
Acres of Love Alpaca Transport
11006 N 92nd East Ave
Owasso, OK 74055-6531
(918) 327-3519
Fax (918) 272-0969
WWW.Acresoflove.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "bntruble" <bntruble@yahoo.com>
To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 8:27 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Cria/Mom questions

> Hey guys!
>
> The newbie to the group is back with more questions... Ok! So, first
> cria born on the farm just yestarday... We appropriately called her
> Firecracker... We took a seminar in Harrisburg back at the Mapaca show
> this past spring, and Dr. Evans was the speaker. This whole thing will
> correlate, I promise.. So... he said when it came to worming, to avoid
> worming 45 days after breeding, and 45 days before the cria is
> expected... He said this will avoid birth defects/abortions in the
> cria... We followed his advice, and have a healthy cria... Our first
> one, thank god... Born healthy, and born a girl, can't ask for
> more... So my question... Worming... We are in a high white tail
> deer area, so worming is a necessity... I'm just curious as to when I
> can start worming mom again, and when to start the cria on a worming
> schedule also...
>
> Thanks in advance guys!
>
> Steve
> Simple CriaTions Alpaca Ranch
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Message posts are the opinion of individuals posting and are not
> necessarily endorsed or approved by Yahoo! or the moderator of this group.
> The purpose of this discussion group is to ensure that all points of view
> can be aired. It is the responsbilty of all individuals who post to treat
> others with respect and civility.Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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[AlpacaTalk] Cria/Mom questions

Hey guys!

The newbie to the group is back with more questions... Ok! So, first
cria born on the farm just yestarday... We appropriately called her
Firecracker... We took a seminar in Harrisburg back at the Mapaca show
this past spring, and Dr. Evans was the speaker. This whole thing will
correlate, I promise.. So... he said when it came to worming, to avoid
worming 45 days after breeding, and 45 days before the cria is
expected... He said this will avoid birth defects/abortions in the
cria... We followed his advice, and have a healthy cria... Our first
one, thank god... Born healthy, and born a girl, can't ask for
more... So my question... Worming... We are in a high white tail
deer area, so worming is a necessity... I'm just curious as to when I
can start worming mom again, and when to start the cria on a worming
schedule also...

Thanks in advance guys!

Steve
Simple CriaTions Alpaca Ranch

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[AlpacaTalk] veterinary study for alpaca & llama owners in the southeast

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Dr. Maria Prado (MV, PhD, DACVIM, Research Assistant Professor, The University of Tennessee) is conducting a study on the prevalence of Eimeria macusaniensis (Emac) in the region served by UT Large Animal and how best to treat it. This multi-part study is testing the residency time of Marquis (the preferred treatment) in the llama's blood, the prevalence of Emac, and how well Marquis actually performs. She is currently in the second phase of the study, and needs fecal samples from llama owners in the region.

Emac is one of the most important emerging diseases in camelids. It is the largest of the camelid coccidia and is as commonly associated with disease and death in both adults and crias. This study will benefit us all, and I urge you to participate if you are in the southeast region. Feel free to forward this e-mail to other camelid owners in the southeast. Please excuse any cross-postings.

Dr. Prado needs samples as follows:

Fresh individual fecal samples from llamas and alpacas, about a handful of feces. These can be collected from the ground if you happen to see your animals defecate.

Store in a zip-lock bag and then refrigerate right away. Samples will need to be processed within 1 week after collection, so...

If you live near the vet school, Dr. Prado would appreciate it if you could drop them off. If not, she will need to make other arrangements and you should contact her at meprado@utk.edu (please put "Emac Study" in the subject line). It's best to make arrangements for delivery before you collect the samples! Remember, keep them cold (but not frozen).

UT will do fecal centrifugation to check for Emac and other parasites. If she finds Emac-positive animals, she will treat them for free and will do serial fecal exams.
Samples will need to be individually labeled with owner name and llama/alpaca name, and accompanied with the following information: owner's name, animal's name, species, gender and age; and deworming history (dates and product used over the past year).

Although Dr. Prado is not charging participants for running the fecal samples, UT's parasitology lab charges her grant account for such services. I have suggested that participants make a voluntary contribution to support the research, so an account has been set up to accept donations. Let's pitch in to be sure her grant money goes as far as possible to the benefit our our beloved llamas and alpacas. If you bring or send her samples (or if you just want to support her research), please send donations to the address below:
University of Tennessee
C222 Dept of Large Animal Clinical Sciences
College of Veterinary Medicine
Knoxville TN 37996
Checks should be made out to University of Tennessee. VERY IMPORTANT: specify Farm Animal Research #9003700 on the subject line of the check!

If for some reason, people can't get through to Dr. Maria Prado (there are 2 Dr. Prados at UT) by e-mail, they should call the Large Animal Dept at 865-974-5701.

Now print out this message and please participate!

Regards,
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