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Re: [AlpacaTalk] wall baby



Hooray, Heather!  Nothing wrong with bottle supplementation, it has saved many a cria.
 
And hang in there, Susan - sounds like just a maiden mom, sometimes it takes a day or two for the milk to let down.  If you get colostrum of any kind into the baby it will help out.  Any llama, alpaca or goat farms nearby?
 
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posted by Chaddo at 10:01 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] wall baby



I'd be cautious with the calcium paste. A couple of years ago I gave a dam a bit of Cal Mag Phos paste, or maybe Cal Mag Se, prior to delivery, only a small amount and only a couple of times before the delivery. Cria had to spend a week at OSU with tube feeding, 2 plasma transfers, 3 weeks of Naxcel...


Dam and cria had highly elevated blood calcium levels like they'd never heard of before... lots of other problems.


My wall baby, however, has taken 20 ounces of milk/yogurt so far. Also, I milked about 2 ounces of colostrum from mama and fed that by bottle. She also nursed a bit from dam by force, as in I forced her to nurse from mama. Mama was very good and stood well.

Later on, I also forced baby to keep head still while mama kissed her as they do. Well, I held her head still. :) I have read that the saliva transfer from kissing is an important bonding factor in mammals. Makes sense, as all mammal mamas kiss their babies and of course it is an important bonding factor in human adult relationships.

So anyway. They are confined to a stall together tonight. I'll go check on them in an hour or so with another bottle just in case. I'd much rather have a bottle baby than a dead baby. Also, female. :) And so far looks really nice.

Heather


On Jun 19, 2009, at 8:21 PM, Susan Forman wrote:




Hmmm, now there's a thought.......I guess I'd be afraid of overdosing her? Don't want to get her chemistry all out of whack, but then again, if she needs it...it could be a real boon for all of us! I'll look some stuff up first, but thanks for the info. I thought about it a couple of weeks ago when she was shivering one morning, but then she stopped and it turned out that I think she just got a chill that cold morning........OSU said the shivering wasn't from cold, nothing to fix it, and told me she probably had a torsion..........which I didn't buy and she didn't have.....Anyway, I'll look it up since I'm funny about adding things to their internal chemistry if it isn't needed.
 
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] wall baby



Hmmm, now there's a thought.......I guess I'd be afraid of overdosing her? Don't want to get her chemistry all out of whack, but then again, if she needs it...it could be a real boon for all of us! I'll look some stuff up first, but thanks for the info. I thought about it a couple of weeks ago when she was shivering one morning, but then she stopped and it turned out that I think she just got a chill that cold morning........OSU said the shivering wasn't from cold, nothing to fix it, and told me she probably had a torsion..........which I didn't buy and she didn't have.....Anyway, I'll look it up since I'm funny about adding things to their internal chemistry if it isn't needed.
 
Thanks,
Susan
 
 
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Do you have calcium paste or gel???     Sounds like mom could use about 15cc.   Will help her energy and possibly the milk situation.
 
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] wall baby



Do you have calcium paste or gel???     Sounds like mom could use about 15cc.   Will help her energy and possibly the milk situation.
 
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Hi Carolyn:
Tried milking her, but all I get is a drop. No spray or volume to speak of. At least the cria is persistent! Poor Mom's just worn out. Baby's toes were right behind the cervix, but it took some doing to get them...her cervix was tight! Anyway, finally got them out while the vet was on the way. Mom just gave up at that point and vet just pulled baby out -- but said all seemed okay with no tears that he could tell. Baby looks like her knees are on backwards, so I'm just hoping they straighten out -- she's down on her pasterns too, but does have slightly erupted teeth. She's sucking down 2 oz. like nobody's business!...and then went back to Mom, so Mom's getting the stimulation...at least while I'm out there. I think it will all work out, but will try the towels. While she was down (after baby was born and vet was checking her) I put cool towels on her udder, inside thighs and pits........she was wet with sweat -- hottest day of the year, out in the sun, and working like nobody should in that heat and humidity-- maybe I inadvertently put the kabosh on the milk?...but Mom had to get cooled a little ..and it was the only thing to do for her at that point. that poor girl just didn't look too good at that point...and I was worried. Baby didn't do the usual flopping either -- just worn out from the birth. but after about 1.25 hours, baby was trying to suck and had Mom and babe in the barn. Babes holding her temp with the fan on her, but will check through the night, too. This could have been much worse, so I'm just grateful it wasn't. My first dystocia and my first maiden birth -- wasn't stellar! Anyway, when I first brought mom in, she drank a little, but really waited until toward evening to suck it down...and hopefully that will help too. She had to lose a lot of fluid between birth and the sweating she did, so maybe her increased water volume will help too....hope so anyway.
 
Thanks for the suggestion. I had half way thought about that, but with the heat, didn't want to do anything to heat anybody up anymore than they were already. with night upon us, it is starting to cool a little, so....hopefully it will work. I really don't want a bottle baby, but been down the road of immuno-compromised and choose not to go there if I can help it!
 
Thanks again,
Susan
 
 
----- Original Message -----
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Hi Susan,     Wet a dish towel as hot as your hands can stand it and run that out to the barn.    Apply it to your dam's teats until it cools down.      Repeat in 20 minutes.   Usually 1-3 rounds of this will bring in the milk if it's there.    Did you try milking mom to see if it's there and nice and sticky?
 
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That's so weird.  I'm glad we haven't experienced that yet.  We had just that one teenie 9 lb. preemie I had to bottle feed for two weeks and it just about killed me.  I milked mom and put the 3 cc's colostrum I got into the bottle and it worked, thank goodness.  Hang in there, she'll drink from mom soon, they just about always do.  Crossin' my fingers and toes for ya!
 
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Hi Susan,     Wet a dish towel as hot as your hands can stand it and run that out to the barn.    Apply it to your dam's teats until it cools down.      Repeat in 20 minutes.   Usually 1-3 rounds of this will bring in the milk if it's there.    Did you try milking mom to see if it's there and nice and sticky?
 
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posted by Chaddo at 7:17 PM 0 comments

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Heather:
 
Good luck! I hope everything turns out okay for you as well as Mama and Babe. I'm dealing with a maiden that had a rough delivery this morning. Cria is a tad dysmature with funky legs, but stands and walks okay. I've been out hourly since birth to make sure baby was nursing...and finally decided she just wasn't getting enough even though it looks like there's something there. In any case, started making sure she was attempting to nurse and then started giving her 2 oz of bovine colostrum every 2 hours about 5 hours ago......I'm exhausted already! Figure I'll just go out every 2 hours through the night and hope she starts refusing the bottle by 2 a.m.! Not sure what else to do, but don't want the expense, hassle or worry of ending up with an immuno-compromised cria, so bovine colostrum it will be until it's gone...and then onto milk until Mom gets hers in better. But a rough delivery I hear can take a little longer for the milk to come in........Mom and baby were both exhausted, so it isn't surprising.
 
Again, good luck and hope your baby catches on......for what it's worth, I leave the barn light on all night for the first couple of nights....maybe that will help baby find the udder...... Keep us posted....
Susan
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:01 PM
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Well, the last female I got from this dam needed lots of human contact, too, and she is wild and crazy. Sigh. 


I think I got baby to nurse off mom but it's hard to tell if she got anything. It sounded like it, but there was no milk mouth afterward.

She was born well before 8am, and it's now 6pm. No considerable nursing off mom yet. She's had 12 ounces of cow milk and yogurt with 10 drops of GSE since she's been eating dirt.

Going back down now to milk out mom and at least get the colostrum into her via bottle if necessary. She took the bottle very well, and likes fenceposts, but gets angry when we put her under mama.

In 11 years with alpacas, we've never had a wall baby. Not fun.

Heather


On Jun 19, 2009, at 5:28 PM, LunarStruck@aol.com wrote:



Sounds like you might have a tamer alpaca baby in the long run!  Hope it all works out, she'll figure it out.  Is she drinking from mom?
 
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