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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Weaning crias..........exceptions to the rules

 

Hi Laura;

 

I would be careful about weaning your cria too early. We had a male cria weaned by the farm we had brought him from. The problem was he was around 40 pounds at almost 4 months. This sounded good to the farm doing the weaning, but was not acceptable to us. The outcome was a small male because he was not allowed to meet his 6 month requirement which robbed him of his stuff he needed from mom. We always let our girls wean the babes since they have never failed us. They are normally wened by about 8 months. We were lucky enough to have girls who can and will do this.

 

When it comes to her weight, make sure she is being given far more feed on a daily basis. Also, maybe throwing in some alfalfa to help her with quick and healthy weight gain. According to Evans in his origional guide, (page 148) it says that if fed free choice, good alfalfa will put on about 1/3 pound pound per day or 2 pounds a week. All of our moms and babies are in incredible shape and moms are keeping good body scores while feeding babies and incubating next year's. One of our females has so much milk, she is nursing her cria from this year plus another cria who's mom died 10 days after his birth due to post-partum complications and age (she was a 15 year old chilean imported girl). Our males also look very good so we are very impressed with our feeding regimen of free feed orchard and alfalfa 3-4 times a week. Over feeding alfalfa will make them fat and blow them out, not to mention may cause liver issues if fed excessively so one needs to be careful. But feeding it to under weight animals in proportion to good orchard should do just fine.

 

Hope this helps....

 

Maegan Blessing

Cedar Grove Alpacas



----- Original Message -----
From: "Laura A. Roberts" <laura0554@hughes.net>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 6:22:52 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Weaning crias..........exceptions to the rules

 

            We have an old gal we just bought, sight unseen, with her 3 ½ mo old cria.  Mom is very thin and has been diagnosed with MH.  After lots of tests,  Biomycin shots, fecals and worming……..Mom is gaining.  She gained 6 pounds this week!  Baby gained 3 ½ and now weighs 38 pounds.  Our vet advised us to wean baby at 4 months.  She is eating like a little pig….and is healthy and we know mom needs to keep all those groceries she has been giving to baby. 

 

            So, with that in mind, we are doing a little reorganizing and mom is going into the "Big girls" pasture with two other adult females that are bred and little baby is going into the "little girls" pasture with three yearlings.  One of those yearlings is the daughter to one of the "big girls" and we were going to separate them since she is still nursing, also.  I don't think she is getting much, but she still tries.    We plan to do it all at one time when two of our "big girls" come home from their "rendezvous resort". (Herdsire's farm) These pastures are side by side and hopefully the transition won't be too stressful for either.  I do have a way to move them where they can't see each other but I am hoping this way will work. 

 

            This cria weighed 14 pounds at birth and weighs 38 pounds at 4 months.  Does this seem like a reasonable weight and satisfactory weight gain.  She will be four months old this Wednesday.

 

           

 

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of shirley
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:31 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: female acting funny  

Hi Jim,

 

I agree the longer the better.  But 6 months is a little to short IMHO unless the cria is a male.  Females can and will nurse a little longer.  In my situation we thought the female cria had stopped nursing but had started again.  This is the first time we have let it go that long and wouldn't have if we had realized what was going on.  I think 9 months is a good amount of time to stop crias from nursing.  We wean the male crias at 6 months as they are mounting the open females and also the female crias.  This usually works for us.......

 

Sincerely

Shirley Dillon

 

Alpacas of Gemini Farm
Basking Ridge, NJ  07920

 

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Hi Mary Jane,

What can I do for you?

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On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:27 PM, Mary Jane wrote:

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Male alpaca in trouble

 

Hello Y'all,

I am borrowing works internet to send this since my compter crashed.

Thought I would give an update on Coco.

He has now had his worming treatments and had little change in stability until I started the Vitamin B shots. Within two days of B shots he was walking straight and holding his neck and head much more normal. No clue if the worming did the job or the Vitamin B did the trick but he is looking much better. And moving much faster again!

On a side note, none of them will let me get nearer than 5 ft now. Thye seem to have learned all my tricks and where the moveable fences sections are so they can't be trapped. I am amazed at how smart tehy are, they anticipate my moves. W/o family and friends over the weekend, I don't think I would have got thelast shots/paste into them. They did not like the shots or the paste in the mouth treatments! They do look very sporting in their blaze orange vests I am making them wear. It is modern gun deer season here in Kentucky. They are being kept on the back of my property away from the road as well.

Thanks for all your help.

Ken

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Susan Kruger <susan_kruger@...> wrote:
>
> Ken,
> Please go to the following link for Sub-Q info and the location of where they are administered. http://www.owning-alpaca.com/injection-technique.html
>  
> Some owners will deworm the herd every 21-24 days, while others are dewormed once a year. I would recommend discussing this with a vet that has some farming/cattle experience. You might consider contacting other alpaca farms in your area if you have any about the type of deworming program that they follow and what they use. Just go to http://www.alpacanation.com/default.aspx to find farms in your state/area. I say this because it will vary depending on your specific area, climate, and amount of deer in the area. Generally Ivermectin, Dectomax, Synathic, and Valbazen are used since they are a third generation wormer and are also larvacidal. I can only find the Ivermectin where I live, and others are purchased from the vet and they may have recommendations for your area. This again will vary, so please check your local farming supply store and vets. This information comes from the Alpaca Field Manual by C. Norman Evans, D.V.M. I would be more than happy
> to send you the information that I have. This is from the same book that I sent you information about Basic Care and Pasture & Hay. Let us know if we can be of further help or you would like info sent. I would recommend contacting a vet for Coco. Many are more than willing to work out payments and they are very understanding. Best of luck.
>  
> Susan Kruger
> Oak Hill Alpacas
> Illinois
>  
>
>
> --- On Tue, 11/10/09, Ken <bushwacker37@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Ken <bushwacker37@...>
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Male alpaca in trouble
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 1:17 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Thank you all for the advise. No real change in Coco, he is eating well and mobile, still leans and holds his head to the left.
>
> I do not have a vet that is alpaca knowledgable. And worse yet, two weeks ago I joined the ranks of unemployed. My x-company saw fit to lay me off only after working me six weeks without pay and dening two weeks vacation pay as well. So financially I am unable to pay a vet for a farm visit. I will look for a source for the Banamine and Thiamine. And will start them on the pelleted Safeguard I bought. I have a reusable needle to draw the Ivomec from the bottle, so I guess tonight I will get them into the shearing stall I built.
>
> My questions are:
> What does "Sub-Q" mean ?
> Where are the shots administered ?
> Do I understand correctly that you give the entire herd a shot once a month year round ? My animals are even less trusting ever since I sheared them ! They may not even come for feed if I start sticking them with a neede once a month !
>
> As to leaving the haulters on... They are loose fit and I watch the area for issues. However, getting a hold of any of my animals is impossible unless I get a hand on the halter. A neck hold mean they drag me away. They were wild when I got them and are just now willing to eat from my hand if approached carefully. But petting them is a rare and fleeting treat.
>
> Ken
>
> --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com, "Susan Forman" <susan@> wrote:
> >
> > Ken:
> > The protocol for treating M-worm is oral safeguard, injected banamine, thiamine, and Ohio State also gave my girl (last year) an antibiotic. Note that I said that is the TREATMENT. Please call your vet since I am not a vet or even a tech. Oral ivomec will do nothing in any situation that I am aware of. PREVENTION is carried out using sub-q ivomec on a monthly basis of anywhere between about 1 cc per 80-100 lbs. Please note there is a big difference between treatment and prevention. Ivomec does not cross what is called the blood brain barrier so that it does not work once the m-worm has found it's way to anywhere near the brain or spinal cord. However, while the worm is still migrating from the gut to the brain, it does work. Hence, it is prevention. I would dose the other alpacas (and even this one) with ivomec. The one that's all funky I'd immediately give safeguard to at least at the rate of 1cc per 10 lbs......again, I am not a vet and urge you to
> contact someone who is qualified to make a good diagnosis and give you the latest info on treatment. the kind of symptoms you outline I imagine could also be an injury or other things, but I doubt that safeguard or ivomec would cause any harm. Even banamine and thiamine are fairly safe drugs if given at the proper dosage, but it sounds like this guy needs a look see by a vet.
> >
> > Good luck with him and let us know how he gets on.
> >
> > Susan
>

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: female acting funny

 

<<<I think that you need to wean cria long before that. Most people I
have talked with around here wean the cria around 6-8 months of age. By
then they are grazing and eating alpaca food on their own. This give
the mother ample time to re-coop from her last cria and get ready for
her next one. FYI last year's cria will nurse through the fence if it
can reach the mother .

The last few months of pregnancy is hard on any animal but one that is
still nursing an older baby this can be extremely harmful to her as she
is putting out so much energy nursing one and nourishing the other.

Jim Gregoryk>>>>

Thanks Jim, We have been supplementing the female with a midday meal
of alfalfa pellets and adding a bit of alfalfa pellets to her usual
meals (2x day) while she was preg last year and during this year with
the nursing. She doesn't let the cria nurse often so I doubt she would
stand still next to a fence- so not worried there. How long does it
take to wean? Had I known or thought she was preg I would have weaned
sooner. But my set up here is not for breeding per se and I allow them
to live a "natural" life, going about their business with as little
human interference as possible, so I don't wean, I allow them to do that
on their own. She got her ivermec injection yesterday and her weight
is good. Hopefully everything will be ok;, I sure do not want to be out
in the middle of winter bottle feeding a baby!

Janice in NW GA

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: female acting funny

 

<<< If you think you have 6 weeks to go and last years cria is still
nursing my
personal opinion is to separate them to insure milk & colostrum for the new
cria.

Shirley Dillon>>>>

Thanks Shirley for sharing your experience. This all sort of snuck up
on me, and in fact had we not noticed the female getting up and down
that evening I would not even be thinking about a birth. So thank
goodness for her "acting funny". I have mom and baby separated now; no
one around here is very happy and they are all having to stay in places
they are not used to being confined to. But everyone is separated.

Any idea how long it takes to wean a babe from its mom? Esp at this age
- nearly 11mos

Thanks! janice

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Weaning crias..........exceptions to the rules

 

Also....did you check the cria for epe?     I would highly suspect it in the cria of a dam who has it and showing syptoms.
 
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Weaning crias..........exceptions to the rules

 

I would set up a creep feeder for the cria and get her using it asap.    Leave her with the mom......she seems too little to wean at this point.    By giving her access to creep feeder, this should take much burden of the mom.   Watch both weights closely.
 
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Weaning crias..........exceptions to the rules

 

38 pounds sounds a little light to me to be weaned.  Don't forget that weaning is very stressful for both dam and cria, even when they can see one another and interact through a fence, and that sometimes weaning can precipitate stress-related illnesses including weight loss and neither dam nor cria are heavy enough to spare any pounds if that happened.  I think I'd hold off until baby is at least 50 and preferably closer to 60-65 pounds before weaning.  You might try adding some Sunshine Pellets (Blue Seal) to the dam's supplement; they're great for weight gain and helping to balance the digestive system since they have probiotics added.
 
Judith Korff
LadySong Farm
Music to Your Wallet
Randolph, New York 14772 
Cell: (716) 499-0383
 


From: Laura A. Roberts <laura0554@hughes.net>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 9:22:52 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Weaning crias..........exceptions to the rules

 

            We have an old gal we just bought, sight unseen, with her 3 ½ mo old cria.  Mom is very thin and has been diagnosed with MH.  After lots of tests,  Biomycin shots, fecals and worming……..Mom is gaining.  She gained 6 pounds this week!  Baby gained 3 ½ and now weighs 38 pounds.  Our vet advised us to wean baby at 4 months.  She is eating like a little pig….and is healthy and we know mom needs to keep all those groceries she has been giving to baby. 

 

            So, with that in mind, we are doing a little reorganizing and mom is going into the "Big girls" pasture with two other adult females that are bred and little baby is going into the "little girls" pasture with three yearlings.  One of those yearlings is the daughter to one of the "big girls" and we were going to separate them since she is still nursing, also.  I don't think she is getting much, but she still tries.    We plan to do it all at one time when two of our "big girls" come home from their "rendezvous resort". (Herdsire's farm) These pastures are side by side and hopefully the transition won't be too stressful for either.  I do have a way to move them where they can't see each other but I am hoping this way will work. 

 

            This cria weighed 14 pounds at birth and weighs 38 pounds at 4 months.  Does this seem like a reasonable weight and satisfactory weight gain.  She will be four months old this Wednesday.

 

           

 

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of shirley
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:31 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: female acting funny  

Hi Jim,

 

I agree the longer the better.  But 6 months is a little to short IMHO unless the cria is a male.  Females can and will nurse a little longer.  In my situation we thought the female cria had stopped nursing but had started again.  This is the first time we have let it go that long and wouldn't have if we had realized what was going on.  I think 9 months is a good amount of time to stop crias from nursing.  We wean the male crias at 6 months as they are mounting the open females and also the female crias.  This usually works for us.......

 

Sincerely

Shirley Dillon

 

Alpacas of Gemini Farm
Basking Ridge , NJ   07920

 

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[AlpacaTalk] Weaning crias..........exceptions to the rules

 

            We have an old gal we just bought, sight unseen, with her 3 ½ mo old cria.  Mom is very thin and has been diagnosed with MH.  After lots of tests,  Biomycin shots, fecals and worming……..Mom is gaining.  She gained 6 pounds this week!  Baby gained 3 ½ and now weighs 38 pounds.  Our vet advised us to wean baby at 4 months.  She is eating like a little pig….and is healthy and we know mom needs to keep all those groceries she has been giving to baby. 

 

            So, with that in mind, we are doing a little reorganizing and mom is going into the "Big girls" pasture with two other adult females that are bred and little baby is going into the "little girls" pasture with three yearlings.  One of those yearlings is the daughter to one of the "big girls" and we were going to separate them since she is still nursing, also.  I don't think she is getting much, but she still tries.    We plan to do it all at one time when two of our "big girls" come home from their "rendezvous resort". (Herdsire's farm) These pastures are side by side and hopefully the transition won't be too stressful for either.  I do have a way to move them where they can't see each other but I am hoping this way will work. 

 

            This cria weighed 14 pounds at birth and weighs 38 pounds at 4 months.  Does this seem like a reasonable weight and satisfactory weight gain.  She will be four months old this Wednesday.

 

           

 

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of shirley
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:31 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: female acting funny  

Hi Jim,

 

I agree the longer the better.  But 6 months is a little to short IMHO unless the cria is a male.  Females can and will nurse a little longer.  In my situation we thought the female cria had stopped nursing but had started again.  This is the first time we have let it go that long and wouldn't have if we had realized what was going on.  I think 9 months is a good amount of time to stop crias from nursing.  We wean the male crias at 6 months as they are mounting the open females and also the female crias.  This usually works for us.......

 

Sincerely

Shirley Dillon

 

Alpacas of Gemini Farm
Basking Ridge, NJ  07920

 

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] RE: female acting funny

 

Because I had all boys the first 3 years and separated them from the girls after weaning, I was not aware of this happening before this year. I have a girl who is 17 months old who still tries to nurse from her mom even though I had separated them for 2 months but fortunately, the mom spits at her or kicks to chase her so it hasn't been a problem. I have never had a mom wean a cria ever. I always have to remove them from the moms at around 10 months old. My girls must all belong to La Leche League.
Flossie


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To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
From: shirl.temple2@verizon.net
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:54:44 -0500
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: female acting funny

 
Hi Janice,

This is long but I think it is important. This is what we are going through
now.

I think you must keep the weanling away until the new cria has had a good
start and is starting to chew its cud. I think you need at least 6 weeks
before the dam delivers to insure the colostrums comes in for the cria so
the milk following is a good quality.

We thought last years cria had stopped nursing but realized she hadn't and
separated her from her dam 1 month before her dam delivered. The dam had
plenty of colostrum for her new cria but didn't seen to have enough quality
milk fast enough for her new cria. The new cria lost weight the first 2
days and gained very slowly. When we tried to supplement with a bottle he
fought tooth and nail. We started the dam on domperidone when her cria was
about 5 or 6 days old. Her milk improved and he started to gain.

When the first course stopped he only gained a couple tenths of a pound a
day or stayed the same. We put his dam back on domperidon again and he
started to gain again. My point in telling you this is that I think we
waited to long to take last years cria away for weaning. I don't know how
expensive domperidone is where you are but it is expensive in N.J. We are
now on the 2nd batch.

The dam had a lot of milk for her first cria and she had gained between 1/4
& 1/2 lb. a day after the 2nd day of life, she is now 1 year old and weighs
about 117 lbs. If we had realized the cria from last year was still nursing
and weaned her sooner I don't think we would have had this problem.

If you think you have 6 weeks to go and last years cria is still nursing my
personal opinion is to separate them to insure milk & colostrum for the new
cria.

Shirley Dillon

Alpacas of Gemini Farm
Basking Ridge, NJ 07920

www.alpacanation.com/geminifarm.asp
908-647-2995
>
> I am operating under the assumption now that she is . I have very
> limited areas to separate the pacas. Just separating the male was
> quite an issue early this year, but I worked that out. Now trying to
> figure out how to separate the 11mo cria (are they still called crias at
> this age?) who still likes a snack from mom on occasion. Lucy
> shouldn't be due for another 6 wks give or take, but as we usually seem
> to have preemies I am going ahead and putting her in barn at night just
> to be on the safe side, one to help with the separations and two to keep
> her isolated from the pyr pups, who I am not ready to trust with a
> newborn cria (they are only 7mos old). It is not the best arrangement
> (for her), put it is all I can do. At least she will be safe, her cria
> will be safe. She can see her buddies and young un, but is fairly far
> from them. I just started this last night, the Pyr pups slept right
> outside the barn door, which is just a frame covered with chix wire,
> that is their usual spot to hang out as it is also right next to the
> chicken's night pen. Then we had quite a time getting them all
> rearranged to separate areas this morning. The male especially is a
> puh-tootie when it comes to walking on lead.....more like dragging.
>
> After separating the 11mo from her mom for a bit will she be considered
> "weaned'? I would hate to have to keep this up for the next 6-8 wks,
> for their sake as well as for mine. I am wondering if after a week or
> two the "baby" will forget about nursing? That sure would make life
> easier for us all these next few months.
>
> And yes, not planning on letting male in with female until spring!
>
> Janice
>



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