alpacas: 06/05/07

Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Other alpaca discussion groups

I think we should be able to talk about things alpaca,
even if they aren't all wonderful discussions.

When we got into the alpaca biz back in 1997, NOBODY
talked about anything regarding health issues or any
type of problems on the farm. Everything was secretive
and world of alpacas was this angelic little dream
world! We would like to believe that this is true, but
anyone who has done herd health knows that things are
not quite like that.

The topic of the future of alpacas is a sticky topic
also. It still needs to be discussed or nothing will
happen. I take that back, no more talking! We all need
to get to work and make this fiber end of things
prosper--one farm at a time. We can't wait for
everyone else to do it!

Get busy!

Steph

--- Radched@aol.com wrote:

>
> Well hopefully spelling and punctuation won't be an
> issue either :)
>
>
>
> Seriously, I think it is important for anyone to be
> able to discuss things - within reason, anyway.
> Some things are out of line (a certain breeder from
> Tennessee comes to mind). Can anyone talk Ken Madl
> into joining?
>
>
>
> Heidi
>
>
>
> Heidi Christensen
> WingNut Farm Alpacas
> Graham WA
> (253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
> www.wingnut-alpacas.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heather Zeleny
> <alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 1:12 pm
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Other alpaca
> discussion groups
>
>
>
>
>
>
> And here I was thinking that it was just me and
> another really abrasive
> person who were so severely moderated!
>
> My hope is that membership in this group will grow.
> We obviously don't
> have the membership numbers that the other two
> groups do, and I hope
> word will get out more about this! I'm really
> serious, tell your
> friends!
>
> I do not think it is in the best interest for
> members to on
> perma-moderate on the one group, with posts ignored
> by the moderator,
> and then have posts edited on the other with
> insulting moderator
> comments inserted, just or voicing an opposing view
> or offering
> alternatives to high priced services, or for saying
> Land O Lakes is
> wrong and the veterinarian they hired is, well, we
> all know about the
> suri llama registration fraud, don't we? Sorry about
> the run on
> sentence. :)
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> West Wind Alpacas
> Eugene, OR
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's
> Padré, Pluro grandson
> Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby
> of Chelsea Farms!
> http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
> http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Other alpaca discussion groups

I invited him way back when the big stink happened at that other
"discussion" group, but he said he felt it would be best if he laid low
for a while. Although he drives me nuts sometimes, I think he does have
information that people should be informed about!

Heather

Heather Zeleny
West Wind Alpacas
Eugene, OR

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
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On Jun 5, 2007, at 8:17 PM, Radched@aol.com wrote:

>
> Well hopefully spelling and punctuation won't be an issue either :)
>
> Seriously, I think it is important for anyone to be able to discuss
> things - within reason, anyway. Some things are out of line (a
> certain breeder from Tennessee comes to mind). Can anyone talk Ken
> Madl into joining?
>
> Heidi
>
> Heidi Christensen
> WingNut Farm Alpacas
> Graham WA
> (253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
> www.wingnut-alpacas.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 1:12 pm
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Other alpaca discussion groups
>
> And here I was thinking that it was just me and another really
> abrasive
> person who were so severely moderated!
>
> My hope is that membership in this group will grow. We obviously don't
> have the membership numbers that the other two groups do, and I hope
> word will get out more about this! I'm really serious, tell your
> friends!
>
> I do not think it is in the best interest for members to on
> perma-moderate on the one group, with posts ignored by the moderator,
> and then have posts edited on the other with insulting moderator
> comments inserted, just or voicing an opposing view or offering
> alternatives to high priced services, or for saying Land O Lakes is
> wrong and the veterinarian they hired is, well, we all know about the
> suri llama registration fraud, don't we? Sorry about the run on
> sentence. :)
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> West Wind Alpacas
> Eugene, OR
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
> Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
> http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
> http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
>
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Other alpaca discussion groups

Well hopefully spelling and punctuation won't be an issue either :)

Seriously, I think it is important for anyone to be able to discuss things - within reason, anyway. Some things are out of line (a certain breeder from Tennessee comes to mind). Can anyone talk Ken Madl into joining?

Heidi

Heidi Christensen
WingNut Farm Alpacas
Graham WA
(253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
www.wingnut-alpacas.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 1:12 pm
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Other alpaca discussion groups

And here I was thinking that it was just me and another really abrasive
person who were so severely moderated!

My hope is that membership in this group will grow. We obviously don't
have the membership numbers that the other two groups do, and I hope
word will get out more about this! I'm really serious, tell your
friends!

I do not think it is in the best interest for members to on
perma-moderate on the one group, with posts ignored by the moderator,
and then have posts edited on the other with insulting moderator
comments inserted, just or voicing an opposing view or offering
alternatives to high priced services, or for saying Land O Lakes is
wrong and the veterinarian they hired is, well, we all know about the
suri llama registration fraud, don't we? Sorry about the run on
sentence. :)

Heather

Heather Zeleny
West Wind Alpacas
Eugene, OR

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Fiber Processing Service

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[AlpacaTalk] OT found the problem

Well, red faced I found the problem and it was me!

I had looked at the calendar for another month and forgot to switch it back. SOOOO all the messages are there just back in another month.

Redfaced,
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[AlpacaTalk] AlpacaBrags - New Alpaca Group

You are invited to join our brand new AlpacaBrag group.
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Other alpaca discussion groups

And here I was thinking that it was just me and another really abrasive
person who were so severely moderated!

My hope is that membership in this group will grow. We obviously don't
have the membership numbers that the other two groups do, and I hope
word will get out more about this! I'm really serious, tell your
friends!

I do not think it is in the best interest for members to on
perma-moderate on the one group, with posts ignored by the moderator,
and then have posts edited on the other with insulting moderator
comments inserted, just or voicing an opposing view or offering
alternatives to high priced services, or for saying Land O Lakes is
wrong and the veterinarian they hired is, well, we all know about the
suri llama registration fraud, don't we? Sorry about the run on
sentence. :)

Heather

Heather Zeleny
West Wind Alpacas
Eugene, OR

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Other alpaca discussion groups

Hi Amanda,

From what I am gathering from my experience and others
that have commented, is that much of the information
being censored has nothing to do with the CONTENT
shared. In my case, I have said NOTHING that would
warrant my posts being excluded.

While I absolutely agree with just moving on and not
bothering with certain forums, I think it is good to
hear that there are quite a few others with the same
experiences and that none of us are being singled
out...many of us are!

The fact of the matter is that the said group's
moderator will go on to other forums and say how
wonderful the "site" is and how many people are
members, etc. The next comment is "look who is NOT
posting on that site and that will tell you something
about them." I have read this with my own eyes. The
problem is that since he is the one deciding who can
and who cannot post. What does this tell you?

It has been my experience on this other site that many
of the posters do not have a problem with comments
made, only the moderator does.

Interesting discussion. Funny that when Heather
originally posted about this, it did not have anything
to do with Alpacasite or its moderator!

Stephanie

--- Amanda Poyner <amanda@bartonalpacas.co.uk> wrote:

> Hello everyone who's talking about another group
> that seems to be
> censoring posts,
>
> I thought I might just chirp in; being from Blighty
> (my pet name for
> England), and mostly removed from any politics if I
> can at all help it.
> It's just a thought, but if this group (not this
> one, the other one ...
> alpacasite), is closed to having an open forum for
> discussion, and so
> it's not satisfying the wishes of those members who
> want to be free to
> exchange, moderated as any other group is moderated
> - appropriately, and
> to trust it's members to be grown ups (which we all
> are), then ... just
> leave said group, join another that suits you and
> your needs, and don't
> give it (other said group ... alpacasite), another
> thought. Said group
> would soon settle into a harmonious niche of like
> minds without having
> to worry about anything potentially censorable,
> (perhaps they are a
> sensitive lot), and you will be able to find a niche
> that is more
> comfortable for you. It's a win, win situation
> really. And that's one
> of the ways that groups work; if you don't feel that
> you fit, it's
> probably because it's not the right group for you
> and there are other,
> perhaps better alternatives just waiting for you to
> find them. Staying
> in a group that's not right makes a miserable
> atmosphere for everyone.
> It seems to me that this is just the natural order
> of things. So "move
> on, and move out" (did John Wayne say that?)
>
> Anyway you sound nice and a helpful soul, so welcome
> to this forum. Hope
> it's a better fit for you.
>
> Best Wishes
> Amanda
> Barton Alpacas
> Somerset, England
>
> pacagirly wrote:
> >
> > Hi Heather,
> > I'm new to several groups and I've experienced
> censored posts on
> > alpacasite. Yes I said it! alpacasite
> >
> > I've tried to answer someones question regarding a
> concern about
> > listing of events and shows, and told them of a
> website that had the
> > listings there that folks could email
> in...alpacaficionado.com and for
> > some reason, my posts are not being posted. No
> reasoning behind it. No
> > email telling me that I am not supposed to post
> information useful to
> > the industry. Is this information bad for
> alpacafolks? What wrong with
> > telling them of a website? So I'm not sure what
> questions can be asked
> > or answered for that matter.
> >
> > I got a bit huffy last night and posted of the
> censorship nonsense
> > there, and of course that was not posted either. I
> thought my responses
> > were of some value anyway.
> >
> > Not sure if this is the site you referenced but I
> really can't imagine
> > my posts offensive and non-purposeful.
> >
> > Sorry to vent, but I am pretty biffed about it.
> >
> > Hopefully this group will post this.
> > pacagirly
> >
> > > Something to think about. And tell your friends
> to bring their
> > > discussions to this group! This is the one forum
> that really aspires to
> > > be a true forum with free speech intellectual
> intercourse. No thought
> > > control is practiced here!
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks and best regards,
> > >
> > > Heather Zeleny
> > > West Wind Alpacas
> > > Eugene, OR
> >
> >
>
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Other alpaca discussion groups

I too have been censored on other groups and for the same reasons. I do
enjoy the open discussions on this group. I guess means helpful to them
means only to them, not general help for all. Thanks to all for your ideas
& information.

Peter Lundberg
Elderberry Creek Alpacas
Stayton, OR

>From: Stardust Alpacas <stardustalpacas@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
>To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Other alpaca discussion groups
>Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:56:47 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I have also been censored on Alpacasite. Apparently,
>some people are put on a list that need to have thier
>posts approved first. Rick just ignores them and after
>15-20 days or so, they are deleted. Yahoo sends a
>message telling that it was deleted without being
>looked at.
>
>I find this highly annoying and I just don't post
>there anymore. More annoying still, is that he
>probably wanted that exact response.
>
>Steph
>
>Stardust Alpacas
>Creswell, OR
>
>
>
>--- pacagirly <pacagirly@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Heather,
> > I'm new to several groups and I've experienced
> > censored posts on
> > alpacasite. Yes I said it! alpacasite
> >
> > I've tried to answer someones question regarding a
> > concern about
> > listing of events and shows, and told them of a
> > website that had the
> > listings there that folks could email
> > in...alpacaficionado.com and for
> > some reason, my posts are not being posted. No
> > reasoning behind it. No
> > email telling me that I am not supposed to post
> > information useful to
> > the industry. Is this information bad for
> > alpacafolks? What wrong with
> > telling them of a website? So I'm not sure what
> > questions can be asked
> > or answered for that matter.
> >
> > I got a bit huffy last night and posted of the
> > censorship nonsense
> > there, and of course that was not posted either. I
> > thought my responses
> > were of some value anyway.
> >
> > Not sure if this is the site you referenced but I
> > really can't imagine
> > my posts offensive and non-purposeful.
> >
> > Sorry to vent, but I am pretty biffed about it.
> >
> > Hopefully this group will post this.
> > pacagirly
> >
> >
> >
> > > Something to think about. And tell your friends to
> > bring their
> > > discussions to this group! This is the one forum
> > that really aspires to
> > > be a true forum with free speech intellectual
> > intercourse. No thought
> > > control is practiced here!
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks and best regards,
> > >
> > > Heather Zeleny
> > > West Wind Alpacas
> > > Eugene, OR
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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