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Thursday, January 15, 2009

[AlpacaTalk] Colostrum supplement

As i posted yesterday I am looking to stock up on necessities for
emergencies. After 2 yrs of beyond-my-control neglect of all my animals
I am finally having enough spare minutes and brain cells (what's left
anyway) and trying to get back on track. While I am figuring out the
worming protocol (among other things) that I want to use and getting
what I need to keep that on track, the surprise birth of Merry has me in
the mind of being better prepared (since I have no vet back up).
Luckily she and mama are doing fine (fingers crossed), but my last cria,
about a year and a half ago, was found nearly dead and mom *was* dead
:-(. A friend with goats miraculously had some colostrum in her freezer
and was able to get it over to me, but it took a couple of hours.
Another friend closer by brought over some fresh goat's milk to feed the
cria to try and get it up and going. That baby was taking its bottle
just fine, great sucking; but still only made it 4 days. It was very
very sad....both he and mom were very unique and beautiful. Anyway, I
am thinking I should keep some colostrum supplement on hand.

Do any of you do this and if so what kind do you prefer? Is there
anything I should know to look out for? I am looking for instance at
"Sav-A-Caf" colostrum. It has bovine serum and "high quality" colostrum
from state certified dairy herd. Then there is multi species colostrum
supplement. Would the bovine serum be a problem, or a good thing?

Thanks! Janice

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] OT: tapeworms in dogs/cats

There is a place online called petshed.com, that sells Droncicet tablets
(generic) w/o a script. I have used it and it worked great..hope that helps.
Tawnya Norton


In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:48:17 P.M. Central Standard Time,
houckj@aol.com writes:

I'm coming here because I don't know where else to turn. My cats (4
outside, 1 inside) and my dog have tapeworms. I have been seeing them
in their stools since summer. I was unable to get a vet to write me a
prescription or sell me the tapeworm meds...without bringing the animals
in. I could not then and cannot now afford to do that.....and its not
like I don't know a tapeworm when I see it! So I began looking for
alternatives.
Someone suggested that I use Safeguard for dogs and it would take care
of the tapes in both dogs and cats.
Since there are 5 cats and the dog is over 100# this was not cheap, but
cheaper than the prescription that I cannot get anyway.
However I am still seeing tapes in the inside cat and the dogs stool
(never see the outside cats stools, but they were eat up with a bad flea
infestation when they came to live with me so I am quite sure they have
tapes).

What can i do? I really don't want to use that Happy Jack stuff, it
looks wicked and dangerous...looks wicked and dangerous...<WBR>.my m
I don't want to risk their life. I just cannot afford to take these
animals to the vet AND pay for the very expensive meds. But I also
cannot leave them declining full of tapes. Any suggestions? I can't
buy it on line without a prescription. We are in serious survival mode
here with my business totally dead for the past 4 mos and languishing
for the entire year, going slowly slowly deeper and deeper into the debt
hole, now a crater.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Janice

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] OT: tapeworms in dogs/cats

We get Praziquantel tabs from our feed store. Tradewinds makes the
brand we get there, it's the same as Droncit. No prescription
necessary. It's available online, here's a link for cats
http://www.1800petmeds.com/Tape+Worm+Tabs+Cat-prod10415.html
and for dogs
http://www.1800petmeds.com/D+Worm+Dog+Tape+Worm+Tabs-prod10414.html

Obviously they must be treated for fleas as well. And if they go
outside, you can be sure you'll have to periodically treat for
tapeworms. We sure do!

And I know what you mean about the economy, it's the same for us.

I can tell you that herbal treatments don't work... the only thing
that does work for our cats is the praziquantel.

Best of luck!
Heather

On Jan 15, 2009, at 7:46 PM, houckj@aol.com wrote:

> I'm coming here because I don't know where else to turn. My cats (4
> outside, 1 inside) and my dog have tapeworms. I have been seeing them
> in their stools since summer. I was unable to get a vet to write me a
> prescription or sell me the tapeworm meds...without bringing the
> animals
> in. I could not then and cannot now afford to do that.....and its not
> like I don't know a tapeworm when I see it! So I began looking for
> alternatives.
> Someone suggested that I use Safeguard for dogs and it would take care
> of the tapes in both dogs and cats.
> Since there are 5 cats and the dog is over 100# this was not cheap,
> but
> cheaper than the prescription that I cannot get anyway.
> However I am still seeing tapes in the inside cat and the dogs stool
> (never see the outside cats stools, but they were eat up with a bad
> flea
> infestation when they came to live with me so I am quite sure they
> have
> tapes).
>
> What can i do? I really don't want to use that Happy Jack stuff, it
> looks wicked and dangerous....my much adored dog is old, as is the
> cat;
> I don't want to risk their life. I just cannot afford to take these
> animals to the vet AND pay for the very expensive meds. But I also
> cannot leave them declining full of tapes. Any suggestions? I can't
> buy it on line without a prescription. We are in serious survival mode
> here with my business totally dead for the past 4 mos and languishing
> for the entire year, going slowly slowly deeper and deeper into the
> debt
> hole, now a crater.
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> Janice

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] OT: tapeworms in dogs/cats



In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:48:17 P.M. Central Standard Time,
houckj@aol.com writes:

I'm coming here because I don't know where else to turn. My cats (4
outside, 1 inside) and my dog have tapeworms. I have been seeing them
in their stools since summer. I was unable to get a vet to write me a
prescription or sell me the tapeworm meds...without bringing the animals
in. I could not then and cannot now afford to do that.....and its not
like I don't know a tapeworm when I see it! So I began looking for
alternatives.
Someone suggested that I use Safeguard for dogs and it would take care
of the tapes in both dogs and cats.
Since there are 5 cats and the dog is over 100# this was not cheap, but
cheaper than the prescription that I cannot get anyway.
However I am still seeing tapes in the inside cat and the dogs stool
(never see the outside cats stools, but they were eat up with a bad flea
infestation when they came to live with me so I am quite sure they have
tapes).

What can i do? I really don't want to use that Happy Jack stuff, it
looks wicked and dangerous...looks wicked and dangerous...<WBR>.my m
I don't want to risk their life. I just cannot afford to take these
animals to the vet AND pay for the very expensive meds. But I also
cannot leave them declining full of tapes. Any suggestions? I can't
buy it on line without a prescription. We are in serious survival mode
here with my business totally dead for the past 4 mos and languishing
for the entire year, going slowly slowly deeper and deeper into the debt
hole, now a crater.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Janice

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] OT: tapeworms in dogs/cats



In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:48:17 P.M. Central Standard Time,
houckj@aol.com writes:

I'm coming here because I don't know where else to turn. My cats (4
outside, 1 inside) and my dog have tapeworms. I have been seeing them
in their stools since summer. I was unable to get a vet to write me a
prescription or sell me the tapeworm meds...without bringing the animals
in. I could not then and cannot now afford to do that.....and its not
like I don't know a tapeworm when I see it! So I began looking for
alternatives.
Someone suggested that I use Safeguard for dogs and it would take care
of the tapes in both dogs and cats.
Since there are 5 cats and the dog is over 100# this was not cheap, but
cheaper than the prescription that I cannot get anyway.
However I am still seeing tapes in the inside cat and the dogs stool
(never see the outside cats stools, but they were eat up with a bad flea
infestation when they came to live with me so I am quite sure they have
tapes).

What can i do? I really don't want to use that Happy Jack stuff, it
looks wicked and dangerous...looks wicked and dangerous...<WBR>.my m
I don't want to risk their life. I just cannot afford to take these
animals to the vet AND pay for the very expensive meds. But I also
cannot leave them declining full of tapes. Any suggestions? I can't
buy it on line without a prescription. We are in serious survival mode
here with my business totally dead for the past 4 mos and languishing
for the entire year, going slowly slowly deeper and deeper into the debt
hole, now a crater.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Janice

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] OT: tapeworms in dogs/cats

Hi Janice - you can buy it online without a prescription, which is what I
did and it works great. I just dosed everyone for it since a feral kitten came
in with tapes and I wanted to make sure no one else had them. I got mine
off of Ebay:
_http://cgi.ebay.com/Dog-Cat-Combo-Round-Hook-Tape-Worm-Treatment-BEST-BUY_W0QQitemZ180320217380QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item18
0320217380&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A
1%7C240%3A1318_
(http://cgi.ebay.com/Dog-Cat-Combo-Round-Hook-Tape-Worm-Treatment-BEST-BUY_W0QQitemZ180320217380QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=i
tem180320217380&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72:1205|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:131
8)

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA


In a message dated 1/15/2009 7:48:13 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
houckj@aol.com writes:

I'm coming here because I don't know where else to turn. My cats (4
outside, 1 inside) and my dog have tapeworms. I have been seeing them
in their stools since summer. I was unable to get a vet to write me a
prescription or sell me the tapeworm meds...without bringing the animals
in. I could not then and cannot now afford to do that.....and its not
like I don't know a tapeworm when I see it! So I began looking for
alternatives.
Someone suggested that I use Safeguard for dogs and it would take care
of the tapes in both dogs and cats.
Since there are 5 cats and the dog is over 100# this was not cheap, but
cheaper than the prescription that I cannot get anyway.
However I am still seeing tapes in the inside cat and the dogs stool
(never see the outside cats stools, but they were eat up with a bad flea
infestation when they came to live with me so I am quite sure they have
tapes).

What can i do? I really don't want to use that Happy Jack stuff, it
looks wicked and dangerous...looks wicked and dangerous...<WBR>.my m
I don't want to risk their life. I just cannot afford to take these
animals to the vet AND pay for the very expensive meds. But I also
cannot leave them declining full of tapes. Any suggestions? I can't
buy it on line without a prescription. We are in serious survival mode
here with my business totally dead for the past 4 mos and languishing
for the entire year, going slowly slowly deeper and deeper into the debt
hole, now a crater.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Janice

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[AlpacaTalk] OT: tapeworms in dogs/cats

I'm coming here because I don't know where else to turn. My cats (4
outside, 1 inside) and my dog have tapeworms. I have been seeing them
in their stools since summer. I was unable to get a vet to write me a
prescription or sell me the tapeworm meds...without bringing the animals
in. I could not then and cannot now afford to do that.....and its not
like I don't know a tapeworm when I see it! So I began looking for
alternatives.
Someone suggested that I use Safeguard for dogs and it would take care
of the tapes in both dogs and cats.
Since there are 5 cats and the dog is over 100# this was not cheap, but
cheaper than the prescription that I cannot get anyway.
However I am still seeing tapes in the inside cat and the dogs stool
(never see the outside cats stools, but they were eat up with a bad flea
infestation when they came to live with me so I am quite sure they have
tapes).

What can i do? I really don't want to use that Happy Jack stuff, it
looks wicked and dangerous....my much adored dog is old, as is the cat;
I don't want to risk their life. I just cannot afford to take these
animals to the vet AND pay for the very expensive meds. But I also
cannot leave them declining full of tapes. Any suggestions? I can't
buy it on line without a prescription. We are in serious survival mode
here with my business totally dead for the past 4 mos and languishing
for the entire year, going slowly slowly deeper and deeper into the debt
hole, now a crater.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Janice

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: supplies to keep on hand

Hi Janice,
Heaters can be useful, but rarely do we use them unless it gets below
25F here in Ohio. Right now it is -2F barns are mostly closed up. I use
the dog blankets to put on the animals if they are having difficulty
keeping themselves warm. Takes alittle bit of time for some animals that
have never had one on to get use to them. But they cover the chest and
back areas great.
Back to heaters we use they are quail heaters
,www.gqfmfg.com/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=40 this is the
link for the heaters. They hang from the rafters but if they are put low
enough they radiate heat pretty good, we put them in the creep feeder
areas for the crias so they hang pretty low 5' is the highest. If you
are concerned about the cria getting cold please try to keep her in out
of the weather if the others don't come in she won't and that could lead
to problems. It all depends on your herd and situation.
I do some shearing here and have started to on the older girls that do
not grow fleece, some farms have me leave 1/2 inch on them so I just tip
them, and some of the older Suris I shear everyother year, and usually
hand shear so we can leave on even more fiber. Not as pretty but it
helps, some of the dog blankets will fit a 200 lb alpaca 3xxx is the
largest size I found.
www.chicksaddlery.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=CD\
B250 is the link for dog blankets.
Back to shearing what time of year do your animals get shorn? I can't
see them being cold like here the boys lay outside all night in sub-zero
as long as it is not windy, they will have frozen tears and frozen
persiration by their armpits. Remember in Peru it gets cold every night
and warmer during the day. Probably similar to your area. What we have
up north is very different than Peru, they do not have months of cold
straight and it can be very hard on all even alpacas, just because it is
day after day of cold and no sun. Fecal issues I deal with my vet and
run fecals very often. I don't worm other than the ivomec monthly for M
worm in our area there are deer every where. Now if my fecals are
positive for what ever I ask a few vets how they are treating and take
my steps from that. As for coccidosis it is treated differently in
crias and older animals so I will leave that answer up to someone else
that has more schooling than I. Yogurt can be administered for a upset
belly just like probias which is another product you can keep on hand,
but remember to give these only if your vet says it is ok.
Hope these ideas help.

Mary Jane Fox
Up-Close-and-Personal-Alpaca-Shearing
Kirtland, OH
216-272-8887
--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, houckj@... wrote:
>
> <<<<Good morning Janice,
> some items: Banamine-some vets will let you keep a couple of shots
after
> you learn to give shots and when it is needed
> Vet wrap
> blankets-dog blankets work great measure the
> animal from the center of the chest around the side to the tail
> yogurt-full fat and plain
> heaters
> straw
> towels
> first aid kit for you and the animals there
> are inexpensive ones at the box stores
> Hope these items are never needed!
>
> Mary Jane Fox>>>>
>
>
> Thanks Mary Jane, all good suggestions. Anyone else have their list
of
> suggestions?
>
> I have wondered about a heater, and almost used one the first week
Merry
> was born as it was quite cold that week and she was shivering, even
with
> her cute little coat on, but I feared fire danger more than anything,
so
> instead opted for a light bulb in a reflector hanging low from the
> rafters, still a fire hazard t ho and doesn't put out much heat at
all.
> We will not get above freezing for the next 3 days with wind chills
> below zero at night (and I'm in GA, can't imagine how the rest of you
> manage) and tho she has a coat on (and is now 2 wks old and gaining
> steadily!!) I am still concerned about them. Ususally they lay out in
> the pasture all night (instead of in a protected place) and are
covered
> with frost from head to tail in the morning, so they must like the
cold,
> but not last night! This morning they were all in the little
barn.....a
> place they never/rarely go willingly as that is our "hospital and
> treatment" room. But they were crammed up in there this morning :-).
> Tonight and tomorrow night much much colder.
>
> What sort of heater? I have a little electric one, but with all the
hay
> out there strewn all over the floor I am just way too scared to leave
a
> heater on all night? Actually tho the alpacas should be better able
to
> stand the cold than the horses? However I have noticed their coat is
> only about half grown out since their shearing in June, and our winter
> will soon be over. Is he shearing too close? Is there a way to shear
> not so close so as to leave enough of a coat on them that will be full
> by winter?
>
> I almost always have yogurt on hand....what do you use it for with the
> alpacas?
>
> Blankets for lying on or for draping over? Or both? I have tons of
old
> blankets, not particularly dog blankets, that's why I'm asking. They
> can easily be folded up to lay on, but I don't think the alpacas would
> stay on them!
>
> I have always wanted to keep Banamine on hand, but so far no vet I
have
> used will give me any to keep on hand. There are several presc meds I
> would like to keep on hand, but they won't get up off them :-(.
>
> Do you keep anything on hand to treat for coccidosis?
> Something I've never had here that I know of, I frequently see "balled
> stools" in the pasture, but no one ever appears ill or puny and I
don't
> know who it comes from. Balled stool is all Dr Evans says in his
> manual, so I don't know what else to be on the look out for, or what
> coccidosis does or is.....just that it is dangerous to young ones.
>
> Warmly (ha!) Janice
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: supplies to keep on hand

Janice:

Use straw rather than old hay for bedding. It's hollow and holds the
heat better. The more you put down, the warmer they are. Mine stay
out all night and go in during the day. I think they're part
vampire! Since I have had some bad stemmy hay, I"ve put the old
stems out where they sleep, though straw would be better......I've
got that in the barn, though, so if they're cold, I have to figure
they'll go in where it is a lot warmer. As for heaters, I don't like
the idea of them either and for the same reason you give --
fire. However, I have heard (on alpacasite) that if you need to warm
an animal, get a flat type electric heater and put it on the ground
under the straw (I think it may be one made for pigs....it's made for
a barn environment and for warming tummy areas where they really need
the warmth). I personally think these guys are much hardier than we
give them credit for since all of mine are either frosty or snowy in
the mornings as well. They have no problem with the barn during the
day! At first I thought the pyrs were chasing them out in some way,
but when I go out during the day and the dogs are hunkered down in
the corners in beds they've made of straw, and the pacas are all over
and not a bit concerned, I don't think the dogs have anything to do
with their choice to stay outside. I have seen the pacas get spooked
when mouse runs through, though, and the mice are clearly more
active at night -- maybe the mice bother them. In any event,
regardless of what I tell them, they stay out most nights and are in
by sunrise. I just have to trust that they know what they need.

Good luck and stay warm! On a personal note,I'm finding that I can
deal with the cold okay if I'm dressed the right way -- and the
alpacas are already pretty well dressed! It's the wind that I hate
and that makes me cold, so figure it's the bad thing for the alpacas
as well. Somehow, the dogs and alpacas don't seem to mind it nearly
as much as I do, but if you've got one already a little chilly, I'd
be watching the wind closely and get some kind of coat or blanket on them.

Good luck and stay warm!
Susan

PS As for prescription meds.......I've got a vet who will sell me
anything I can pay for! Banamine is over $50. for a bottle. The
last bottle I had I only used a couple of times, but was worth
it. The new bottle hasn't been touched yet and hope to throw it all
away. If I need it, it will be worth it, though. Injectable
Penicillin can be bought over the counter for roughly $10.00. I buy
mine from PBS Animal health since I have a store not too far
away. Hopefully, it will expire before I need to use it. And never
use an antibiotic without a vet recommending it! It might be the
wrong one and make things worse instead of better due to
resistance. It is good to have on hand, though. I also keep
epinephrine.........a very very dangerous drug!!!! It's only about
$4.00, but if you give vaccines, worth having on hand. It should
only be used in cases of anaphylactic shock! It can kill and must be
dosed very very carefully and only if the animal is actually going
down right after receiving a vaccine. Drugs are tricky and great
care must be taken when giving them..........I have a few things, but
always hope they get tossed and I waste the money and the drug!

Susan Forman & Eric Jenkins
Dewey Morning Alpacas
423 Greenfield-Sabina Rd.
Washington Court House, OH 43160
740-636-1899 Home
937-901-1509 Cell
http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
Home of Huey, Dewey and Louie

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