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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Problem with Newborn Cria

She is doing very well. The vet said all things came back ok, and we are doing everything right. She is moving around, and making attempts to feed off of mom. I'll keep updates posted. We are calling her Little Gracie!!

Steve
Simple CriaTions Alpaca Ranch

On Sep 4, 2008, at 9:24 PM, "dreamwoodalpacas" <faileflys@yahoo.com> wrote:

Steve,

I hope she's doing well. In addition to the other advice you've
received, some things to consider are 1. make sure her temp is normal
99-102; she can't take in nourishment if she's cold and a fever kills
fast, and 2. sternal (cushed) is the best position for alpacas--if
she doesn't have the strength to do it herself use 2 5#
flour/suger/whatever bags on either side of her to keep her up. Don't
let her lay on her side for too long.

Good luck,
Morgen Bowers
Dreamwood Farm
NY

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Steve <bntruble@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah thanks guys, the vet is on his way to check her out and
whatnot. I'll keep you posted as things develop. You guys have been
very helpful. I feel a little better knowing there are others out
there that get as nerved out about these animals as we do. I briefly
explained what was going on when I called about the igG test they
didn't have, but when I explained extensively what was going on, he
said he'd be right out. Thanks again guys..;-)
>
> Steve
> Simple CriaTions Alpaca Ranch
>
> On Sep 3, 2008, at 10:42 PM, Sheri Hewitt <sherih@...> wrote:
>
> It's Grapefruit Seed Extract and it works wonders with newborns. If
> we ever have so much as wobbly legs I give it to them. It gets rid
of
> any unhealthy "bugs" the cria might have. I might feed it again the
> next day too.
>
> I hope all works out well for this baby.
>
> Sheri
>
> At 07:14 PM 9/3/2008, you wrote:
>
> >Sheri - what is GSE?
> >
> >Karen Mander-Burnworth
> >Mill Creek Farm Alpacas
> >Sandy Lake, PA
> > >
> > > From: Sheri Hewitt
> > <<mailto:sherih%40woodlandmeadows.com>sherih@...>
> > > Date: 2008/09/03 Wed PM 09:44:28 EDT
> > > To: <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
40yahoogroups.com>AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Problem with Newborn Cria
> > >
> > > Go to the store and get some GSE. Put 3 oz. of milk in a bottle
and 5
> > > drops of GSE and feed it. Make sure she takes all of it. You
might
> > > also give a small dose of oral vitamins. If you need to continue
> > > bottle feeding you can try our mix. It works very well.
> > >
> > > We lost a dam and are bottle feeding a little female and she is
> > > very healthy. The mix we use to feed for a quart is 4 oz.
vanilla
> > > yogurt, 4 oz whipping cream, and 24 oz organic milk. We feed
this
> > > every 3 hrs. during the day. We don't do this all night. Make
sure
> > > mom stays around and milk her when you can. The cria really
should
> > > start nursing at some point.
> > >
> > > Best of luck,
> > >
> > > Sheri Hewitt
> > > Woodland Meadows, LLC
> > > Creswell, OR
> > >
> > >
> > > At 05:23 PM 9/3/2008, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hi guys...
> > > >
> > > >As I've said a million times, I'm fairly new to this industry.
Don't
> > > >have much to offer as far as advice here, but I do have a few
> > > >questions. I hope you guys don't mind. It's nice to know that
there
> > > >is a place newbies like myself can turn to for help...
> > > >
> > > >We had a cria born last night around 6:00 p.m. She came out
very
> > > >small, she's not thin,she's very small, and she appears to be
very
> > > >weak. She couldn't stand at all for the first 6 hours of her
life,
> > > >which as I understand it, can be fairly common. She sort of
lied on
> > > >her side like she was dead. She was responsive, but just lied
> > > >there. She couldn't get up, so we had to feed her colostrum
<sp?>
> > > >through a syringe at first, then through a bottle, so she
knows how
> > > >to suck. We gave her colostrum suppliment also, and a colostrum
> > > >gel. No one in this area does igG testing, I called every large
> > > >animal vet in the area, and no one here does it, so I have no
idea
> > > >what her levels are like. Her behavior over the last 24 hours
hasn't
> > > >changed much. She still spends alot of time on her side, she is
> > > >eating, still through a bottle. We cannot get her to nurse at
all
> > > >off mom. She's not interested in feeding from mom at all.
She'll
> > > >get up and stand, but only when encouraged by people to do so.
She
> > > >wasn't "premature", she was born a day before her due date.
She is
> > > >so different from our last cria. Our last cria was up and
moving
> > > >around within an hour. This just doesn't seem to be normal
behavior
> > > >from a cria, but I'm not really sure what to do with her. Like
I
> > > >said, she just sort of lays lifeless, and doesn't do much.
When she
> > > >does get up, she only wanders a little bit, and goes right back
> > > >down. She weighs 15 lbs. Any help guys? Anyone had this before?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Problem with Newborn Cria

Steve,

I hope she's doing well. In addition to the other advice you've
received, some things to consider are 1. make sure her temp is normal
99-102; she can't take in nourishment if she's cold and a fever kills
fast, and 2. sternal (cushed) is the best position for alpacas--if
she doesn't have the strength to do it herself use 2 5#
flour/suger/whatever bags on either side of her to keep her up. Don't
let her lay on her side for too long.

Good luck,
Morgen Bowers
Dreamwood Farm
NY

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Steve <bntruble@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah thanks guys, the vet is on his way to check her out and
whatnot. I'll keep you posted as things develop. You guys have been
very helpful. I feel a little better knowing there are others out
there that get as nerved out about these animals as we do. I briefly
explained what was going on when I called about the igG test they
didn't have, but when I explained extensively what was going on, he
said he'd be right out. Thanks again guys..;-)
>
> Steve
> Simple CriaTions Alpaca Ranch
>
> On Sep 3, 2008, at 10:42 PM, Sheri Hewitt <sherih@...> wrote:
>
> It's Grapefruit Seed Extract and it works wonders with newborns. If
> we ever have so much as wobbly legs I give it to them. It gets rid
of
> any unhealthy "bugs" the cria might have. I might feed it again the
> next day too.
>
> I hope all works out well for this baby.
>
> Sheri
>
> At 07:14 PM 9/3/2008, you wrote:
>
> >Sheri - what is GSE?
> >
> >Karen Mander-Burnworth
> >Mill Creek Farm Alpacas
> >Sandy Lake, PA
> > >
> > > From: Sheri Hewitt
> > <<mailto:sherih%40woodlandmeadows.com>sherih@...>
> > > Date: 2008/09/03 Wed PM 09:44:28 EDT
> > > To: <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
40yahoogroups.com>AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Problem with Newborn Cria
> > >
> > > Go to the store and get some GSE. Put 3 oz. of milk in a bottle
and 5
> > > drops of GSE and feed it. Make sure she takes all of it. You
might
> > > also give a small dose of oral vitamins. If you need to continue
> > > bottle feeding you can try our mix. It works very well.
> > >
> > > We lost a dam and are bottle feeding a little female and she is
> > > very healthy. The mix we use to feed for a quart is 4 oz.
vanilla
> > > yogurt, 4 oz whipping cream, and 24 oz organic milk. We feed
this
> > > every 3 hrs. during the day. We don't do this all night. Make
sure
> > > mom stays around and milk her when you can. The cria really
should
> > > start nursing at some point.
> > >
> > > Best of luck,
> > >
> > > Sheri Hewitt
> > > Woodland Meadows, LLC
> > > Creswell, OR
> > >
> > >
> > > At 05:23 PM 9/3/2008, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hi guys...
> > > >
> > > >As I've said a million times, I'm fairly new to this industry.
Don't
> > > >have much to offer as far as advice here, but I do have a few
> > > >questions. I hope you guys don't mind. It's nice to know that
there
> > > >is a place newbies like myself can turn to for help...
> > > >
> > > >We had a cria born last night around 6:00 p.m. She came out
very
> > > >small, she's not thin,she's very small, and she appears to be
very
> > > >weak. She couldn't stand at all for the first 6 hours of her
life,
> > > >which as I understand it, can be fairly common. She sort of
lied on
> > > >her side like she was dead. She was responsive, but just lied
> > > >there. She couldn't get up, so we had to feed her colostrum
<sp?>
> > > >through a syringe at first, then through a bottle, so she
knows how
> > > >to suck. We gave her colostrum suppliment also, and a colostrum
> > > >gel. No one in this area does igG testing, I called every large
> > > >animal vet in the area, and no one here does it, so I have no
idea
> > > >what her levels are like. Her behavior over the last 24 hours
hasn't
> > > >changed much. She still spends alot of time on her side, she is
> > > >eating, still through a bottle. We cannot get her to nurse at
all
> > > >off mom. She's not interested in feeding from mom at all.
She'll
> > > >get up and stand, but only when encouraged by people to do so.
She
> > > >wasn't "premature", she was born a day before her due date.
She is
> > > >so different from our last cria. Our last cria was up and
moving
> > > >around within an hour. This just doesn't seem to be normal
behavior
> > > >from a cria, but I'm not really sure what to do with her. Like
I
> > > >said, she just sort of lays lifeless, and doesn't do much.
When she
> > > >does get up, she only wanders a little bit, and goes right back
> > > >down. She weighs 15 lbs. Any help guys? Anyone had this before?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Lumpy Jaw

Hi Janice -thanks for answering my post. I was quite distressed
when I posted it - but a few days in and seeing my girl
acting "normal" has helped. I will try and source the Goldenseal -
can't imagine why they wouldn't ship it to NZ as long as they have
my VISA number!!

I have purchased some feed supplements locally to try to regain her
condition and have spent alot of time watching her - she is now up
and about and eating grass like the others - maybe not getting as
much with each bite though.

I gave her 5ml of Vit B too which really seemed to perk her up.

Given NZ's farming history it seems vets here come accross this
disease in cattle quite often and mostly they say "treatment often
ineffective" - so what you say fits - we are in for the long haul
with antibiotics/draining etc. She is in her third year of life so
maybe the bugs got it with the teeth coming through?

Thanks!
Mandy
Bonita Alpacas
NZ

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Swelling

Hi Janice,

I'm sure that the Arnica is the same. The label says Arnica montana
so I wrote it that way to be as clear as possible. I put the pellets
in the mouth and gently hold it closed. Alpacas don't really want
them in their mouths and will spit them out. The Bioron pellets have
the med on the outside so 30 seconds will do the trick. The Hylands
brand is solid, easily melting pellets and should be melted or
swallowed if possible.

How's the cria doing?

Sheri

At 05:30 AM 9/4/2008, you wrote:

><<Janice,
>
>I don't know if you're interested in alternative therapies for your
>alpacas, but we use homeopathy all of the time. For swelling from
>insects you can use Apis mellifica and/or Arnica montana. For an
>abscess give Silicea daily. Nu-Stock works very well for abscesses.
>It's a pasty cream that has sulphur and other ingredients and it
>works really well.
>
>Best of luck,
>
>Sheri>>
>
>Yes Sheri, I am very interested in alternatives. I am a holistic health
>practitioner myself. I used to use homeopathy all the time when my dd#1
>was younger and had many of the common remedies on hand. But have had
>very little cause to use them as neither of my dds ever seem to have any
>issues,nor do I. Never actually even thought of using them on my
>animals until Heather started mentioning it. I have totally forgotten
>everything I used to know about homeopathic meds.
>
>How would you get the little pills to dissolve under their tongue tho?
>
>Thanks! Janice
>
>PS you and Heather both have mentioned Arnica montana. Is this
>different from the plain ole Arnica that I have around here somewhere?
>I also have some Arnica cream.
>

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: teeth, Arnica

Hi Janice,
Arnica Montana is a plant, which has medicinal properties. It is only
used topically as ointments and other topical preparations, internal
use can cause heart problems and mucous membrane irritation. Even
topical use can cause skin irritation and blistering if used to excess.

When we use Arnica Montana, we're usually talking about a homeopathic
remedy. Or sometimes we'll mention a cream or ointment. It is important
to specify what type of treatment we're talking about!

Teeth trimming with the ob wire: Yes, what you described probably was
an ob wire. It's hard to say if your boy was really in pain while
having his teeth trimmed. None of our animals like to have us messing
with their mouths, so they struggle and fight during the entire
procedure. If the wire was old and dull, it probably took longer than
necessary, and it indeed might have gotten a bit warm and smoked a
little. Or it was probably dust from the tooth itself as it was being
cut. I don't think that expensive, loud, bulky machine is less
stressful on the alpacas. And, it can only do incisors, can't do
fighting teeth. But it also saws away the tooth, and runs at lord knows
how many rpm, and anything going that fast will also create a lot of
heat and smoke. I know, I have used the Highcroft trimmer.

That's why it's so great to just get 12 yards of the wire from
valleyvet.com for only $11, then you will always have new, sharp wire
when the first one gets dull. But believe me, it takes years and
hundreds of tooth trimmings for it to wear out and become dull.

We do have a chute, and for some of the more unruly animals, we do have
to use it to do the teeth. But no matter what, it is a 3 or 4 person
job. One person to hold the head, one person to put the "thing" (dog
rope chew toy, short length of pvc pipe, etc.) in the mouth to hold it
open and pull lips back, keep tongue out of the way, one person to
actually man the wire (usually me), and it's nice to have one more
person to hold the back end of the animal if you're not using the
chute.

There are people who will tell you that a shearing table or ropes on
the ground to restrain your animals during shearing is inhumane and
dangerous. But, after many years of shearing with no restraints, only
people holding them, I would never go back to the old way. It's safer
for everyone involved. One jump by an alpaca during shearing can cause
serious injury. We've had it happen. Well, we haven't had any serious
cuts, but they can happen. I've heard of people having thumbs and
fingers broken from animals lunging and jumping. One large female
injured my daughter's arm pretty badly one year.

So anyway, that's my opinion on the tooth trimming. The ob wire is
quick, precise, and safe. And quiet! And economical!

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Creswell, OR

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Emergency

houckj@aol.com wrote:
>
> <<Janice, I would say the red ants are a very good possibility. I also
> read your previous email (before this last incident) and I noticed you
> said she rubbed her face on the fence alot (you were wondering if she
> could have gotten her original injury from a splinter). If she rubs her
> face on the fence, she probably rubs it on the ground also. My thoughts
> were 1) she has an allergy so her face itches.also causing a swollen
> face and the halter enhanced the situation or 2) she rubbed her face in
> the middle of an ant hill or a spider web. Either way, I suggest you
> call the University ph # that was given to you previously and talk to
> someone there or call Kansas State Univ - Dr Anderson and his group are
> very happy to answer questions on alpacas. They have a herd right there
> at KState and are doing wonderful research (the more case info they get,
> the better). Sorry I don't have their # with me. I can get it to you
> later. Even though the incident
> has passed, you need to be ready in case it happens again. If there is
> one thing I have learned from having alpacas, it is that everything
> happens in the middle of the night and you never have the right medicine
> in your cabinet. I am slowly getting what I need...that reminds me...I
> need to get some Benadryl. Let us know what you find out. Robin
> >>
>
> I am pretty convinced it was the red ants after seeing the indention in
> the ant hill. And I have seen her rubbing her face on the ground, as
> well as the fences. I poured gasoline in the ant hill yesterday and
> they are all gone! I have long been told by the old timers around here
> to do with my red ant hills, but I just never took it seriously. It works.
>
> She does seem to have something on her face. She has had cruddy ears
> for awhile, but as she is not very easy to work with (but has been fine
> thru this ordeal, tho lately she is getting quite grumpy about it all
> and starting to make noises like I am going to spit if you don't back
> off!) and I have been so preoccupied with so many other things I have
> noted but not addressed. Her ears (the outer skin, not inner) were
> tough, bumpy, no hair. I started spraying them with ...... you guessed
> it......goldenseal when I started having to treat her eye and had her up
> anyway. A fairly dilute spray, tho nowhere near as dilute as the
> goldenseal eyewash solution I made. The ears started clearing up almost
> immediately and I could see fresh pink skin where the lumpy bumps were
> within just a few days. After about 10 days of spraying them several
> times a day, she has new ears! Soft, bumps gone,hair growing back. I
> am still spraying them 2x a day since I have to mess with her anyway. I
> tried it on her face this morning, but that didn't work too well! I
> will have to figure out another way to get it on her face.
>
> I am compiling my emergency "kit" thanks to all of the great info I have
> rec'd here. If anyone has the # to Dr Anderson's dept at Kansas State I
> would be most appreciative to add to my list. I have called Auburn/Dr
> Pugh, as well as Dr Evans, years ago when I had what I suspected was a
> mworm situation and the vet was treating the limping as a sprain or mild
> injury with Banamine. They were wonderful and told me exactly what to
> have my vet do, which I did and we were able to save my boy, tho he did
> have flare ups with limping from time to time after that. I don't
> remember how I got their # or what I did with it after that. If anyone
> happens to have that # and dept handy I would appreciate it as well.
> When I called before it was during regular hours and as I recall went
> thru the main Univ switchboard. Don't know if that would be an option
> in the middle of the night. So perhaps someone has the direct # you can
> share to either or both.
>
> Also, I was looking up in Norm Evans book about benedryl (in my state of
> panic the other night I didn't even think to look at his book - Duh)and
> see he gives dosage for IV and IM, but not for oral administration.
> From what you all have shared with me here, apparently it is effective
> orally? What would be a dosage for an app 125# animal?
>
> I was going to ask the vet (who has not called to even inquire how we
> resolved the emergency) to give me some epinephrine to have on hand
> since we see that this animal has a rather severe allergic reaction to
> something, it is likely to happen again. I was terrified her windpipe
> was going to swell up and suffocate her right before my eyes. DO NOT
> want to go thru that again. Do you think Epinephrine would be overkill?
> If it is appearing her windpipe is swelling and she wouldn't be able
> to swallow.....seems it would be wise to have an injectable around -
> either Benedryl or epinephrine and I see the vet is not going to say
> which. But perhaps if I ask her for what I want she will provide.
>
> And yes, the emergencies always seem to happen in the middle of the
> night or on a holiday week-end. Always been the same with my dogs as
> well. I am just ever so thankful it happened *before* her midnight
> treatment; if it happened after I saw her for the last time that night I
> feel sure that halter would have killed her. It is now off and I am
> managing her using Marty McGee's long rope with the ring technique for
> making a quick halter. Can't lead her with that as she won't walk, but
> it is enough to hold her still for the eyedrops. I will NEVER leave a
> halter on overnight again. She is quite easy to halter if I need to
> once I have her with the long rope.
>
> Janice, off to buy some benedryl as well for next time!
>
>
Janice,

Perhaps this is off topic, but I wanted to state that, as an M.D., I
would encourage you to find a different vet (as I would do with someone
who harbors discontent with their own M.D.), should you not be satisfied
with the treatment you received from your local vet. Venting might help
you feel a little better, but doesn't solve the problem about what to do
in an emergency. In the meantime, the vets you have mentioned are
excellent clinicians who have lent ungodly amounts of assistance to
those in need in the alpaca community. They need to be commended again
here.

Good luck with your girl,

Dave

--
David and Esther Friedman
Adirondack Alpacas
"From the Womb to the Loom"
Remsen, NY
www.newyorkalpacas.com
315-831-3040

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: Emergency

<<Janice, I would say the red ants are a very good possibility. I also
read your previous email (before this last incident) and I noticed you
said she rubbed her face on the fence alot (you were wondering if she
could have gotten her original injury from a splinter). If she rubs her
face on the fence, she probably rubs it on the ground also. My thoughts
were 1) she has an allergy so her face itches.also causing a swollen
face and the halter enhanced the situation or 2) she rubbed her face in
the middle of an ant hill or a spider web. Either way, I suggest you
call the University ph # that was given to you previously and talk to
someone there or call Kansas State Univ - Dr Anderson and his group are
very happy to answer questions on alpacas. They have a herd right there
at KState and are doing wonderful research (the more case info they get,
the better). Sorry I don't have their # with me. I can get it to you
later. Even though the incident
has passed, you need to be ready in case it happens again. If there is
one thing I have learned from having alpacas, it is that everything
happens in the middle of the night and you never have the right medicine
in your cabinet. I am slowly getting what I need...that reminds me...I
need to get some Benadryl. Let us know what you find out. Robin
>>

I am pretty convinced it was the red ants after seeing the indention in
the ant hill. And I have seen her rubbing her face on the ground, as
well as the fences. I poured gasoline in the ant hill yesterday and
they are all gone! I have long been told by the old timers around here
to do with my red ant hills, but I just never took it seriously. It works.

She does seem to have something on her face. She has had cruddy ears
for awhile, but as she is not very easy to work with (but has been fine
thru this ordeal, tho lately she is getting quite grumpy about it all
and starting to make noises like I am going to spit if you don't back
off!) and I have been so preoccupied with so many other things I have
noted but not addressed. Her ears (the outer skin, not inner) were
tough, bumpy, no hair. I started spraying them with ...... you guessed
it......goldenseal when I started having to treat her eye and had her up
anyway. A fairly dilute spray, tho nowhere near as dilute as the
goldenseal eyewash solution I made. The ears started clearing up almost
immediately and I could see fresh pink skin where the lumpy bumps were
within just a few days. After about 10 days of spraying them several
times a day, she has new ears! Soft, bumps gone,hair growing back. I
am still spraying them 2x a day since I have to mess with her anyway. I
tried it on her face this morning, but that didn't work too well! I
will have to figure out another way to get it on her face.

I am compiling my emergency "kit" thanks to all of the great info I have
rec'd here. If anyone has the # to Dr Anderson's dept at Kansas State I
would be most appreciative to add to my list. I have called Auburn/Dr
Pugh, as well as Dr Evans, years ago when I had what I suspected was a
mworm situation and the vet was treating the limping as a sprain or mild
injury with Banamine. They were wonderful and told me exactly what to
have my vet do, which I did and we were able to save my boy, tho he did
have flare ups with limping from time to time after that. I don't
remember how I got their # or what I did with it after that. If anyone
happens to have that # and dept handy I would appreciate it as well.
When I called before it was during regular hours and as I recall went
thru the main Univ switchboard. Don't know if that would be an option
in the middle of the night. So perhaps someone has the direct # you can
share to either or both.

Also, I was looking up in Norm Evans book about benedryl (in my state of
panic the other night I didn't even think to look at his book - Duh)and
see he gives dosage for IV and IM, but not for oral administration.
From what you all have shared with me here, apparently it is effective
orally? What would be a dosage for an app 125# animal?

I was going to ask the vet (who has not called to even inquire how we
resolved the emergency) to give me some epinephrine to have on hand
since we see that this animal has a rather severe allergic reaction to
something, it is likely to happen again. I was terrified her windpipe
was going to swell up and suffocate her right before my eyes. DO NOT
want to go thru that again. Do you think Epinephrine would be overkill?
If it is appearing her windpipe is swelling and she wouldn't be able
to swallow.....seems it would be wise to have an injectable around -
either Benedryl or epinephrine and I see the vet is not going to say
which. But perhaps if I ask her for what I want she will provide.

And yes, the emergencies always seem to happen in the middle of the
night or on a holiday week-end. Always been the same with my dogs as
well. I am just ever so thankful it happened *before* her midnight
treatment; if it happened after I saw her for the last time that night I
feel sure that halter would have killed her. It is now off and I am
managing her using Marty McGee's long rope with the ring technique for
making a quick halter. Can't lead her with that as she won't walk, but
it is enough to hold her still for the eyedrops. I will NEVER leave a
halter on overnight again. She is quite easy to halter if I need to
once I have her with the long rope.

Janice, off to buy some benedryl as well for next time!

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Teeth

Janice:

Don't know about lend/lease stuff, but is there another alpaca
breeder anywhere close? I'd try to borrow if at all possible. I
know about the budget thing! For so few animals, it just isn't worth
the money -- try to find somebody local!

Gotta' run -- my 3 legged dog gets his stitches out today!!
susan

Susan Forman & Eric Jenkins
Dewey Morning Alpacas
423 Greenfield-Sabina Rd.
Washington Court House, OH 43160
740-636-1899 Home
937-901-1509 Cell
http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
Home of Huey, Dewey and Louie

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