Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Emergency
houckj@aol.com wrote:
>
> <<Janice, I would say the red ants are a very good possibility. I also
> read your previous email (before this last incident) and I noticed you
> said she rubbed her face on the fence alot (you were wondering if she
> could have gotten her original injury from a splinter). If she rubs her
> face on the fence, she probably rubs it on the ground also. My thoughts
> were 1) she has an allergy so her face itches.also causing a swollen
> face and the halter enhanced the situation or 2) she rubbed her face in
> the middle of an ant hill or a spider web. Either way, I suggest you
> call the University ph # that was given to you previously and talk to
> someone there or call Kansas State Univ - Dr Anderson and his group are
> very happy to answer questions on alpacas. They have a herd right there
> at KState and are doing wonderful research (the more case info they get,
> the better). Sorry I don't have their # with me. I can get it to you
> later. Even though the incident
> has passed, you need to be ready in case it happens again. If there is
> one thing I have learned from having alpacas, it is that everything
> happens in the middle of the night and you never have the right medicine
> in your cabinet. I am slowly getting what I need...that reminds me...I
> need to get some Benadryl. Let us know what you find out. Robin
> >>
>
> I am pretty convinced it was the red ants after seeing the indention in
> the ant hill. And I have seen her rubbing her face on the ground, as
> well as the fences. I poured gasoline in the ant hill yesterday and
> they are all gone! I have long been told by the old timers around here
> to do with my red ant hills, but I just never took it seriously. It works.
>
> She does seem to have something on her face. She has had cruddy ears
> for awhile, but as she is not very easy to work with (but has been fine
> thru this ordeal, tho lately she is getting quite grumpy about it all
> and starting to make noises like I am going to spit if you don't back
> off!) and I have been so preoccupied with so many other things I have
> noted but not addressed. Her ears (the outer skin, not inner) were
> tough, bumpy, no hair. I started spraying them with ...... you guessed
> it......goldenseal when I started having to treat her eye and had her up
> anyway. A fairly dilute spray, tho nowhere near as dilute as the
> goldenseal eyewash solution I made. The ears started clearing up almost
> immediately and I could see fresh pink skin where the lumpy bumps were
> within just a few days. After about 10 days of spraying them several
> times a day, she has new ears! Soft, bumps gone,hair growing back. I
> am still spraying them 2x a day since I have to mess with her anyway. I
> tried it on her face this morning, but that didn't work too well! I
> will have to figure out another way to get it on her face.
>
> I am compiling my emergency "kit" thanks to all of the great info I have
> rec'd here. If anyone has the # to Dr Anderson's dept at Kansas State I
> would be most appreciative to add to my list. I have called Auburn/Dr
> Pugh, as well as Dr Evans, years ago when I had what I suspected was a
> mworm situation and the vet was treating the limping as a sprain or mild
> injury with Banamine. They were wonderful and told me exactly what to
> have my vet do, which I did and we were able to save my boy, tho he did
> have flare ups with limping from time to time after that. I don't
> remember how I got their # or what I did with it after that. If anyone
> happens to have that # and dept handy I would appreciate it as well.
> When I called before it was during regular hours and as I recall went
> thru the main Univ switchboard. Don't know if that would be an option
> in the middle of the night. So perhaps someone has the direct # you can
> share to either or both.
>
> Also, I was looking up in Norm Evans book about benedryl (in my state of
> panic the other night I didn't even think to look at his book - Duh)and
> see he gives dosage for IV and IM, but not for oral administration.
> From what you all have shared with me here, apparently it is effective
> orally? What would be a dosage for an app 125# animal?
>
> I was going to ask the vet (who has not called to even inquire how we
> resolved the emergency) to give me some epinephrine to have on hand
> since we see that this animal has a rather severe allergic reaction to
> something, it is likely to happen again. I was terrified her windpipe
> was going to swell up and suffocate her right before my eyes. DO NOT
> want to go thru that again. Do you think Epinephrine would be overkill?
> If it is appearing her windpipe is swelling and she wouldn't be able
> to swallow.....
> either Benedryl or epinephrine and I see the vet is not going to say
> which. But perhaps if I ask her for what I want she will provide.
>
> And yes, the emergencies always seem to happen in the middle of the
> night or on a holiday week-end. Always been the same with my dogs as
> well. I am just ever so thankful it happened *before* her midnight
> treatment; if it happened after I saw her for the last time that night I
> feel sure that halter would have killed her. It is now off and I am
> managing her using Marty McGee's long rope with the ring technique for
> making a quick halter. Can't lead her with that as she won't walk, but
> it is enough to hold her still for the eyedrops. I will NEVER leave a
> halter on overnight again. She is quite easy to halter if I need to
> once I have her with the long rope.
>
> Janice, off to buy some benedryl as well for next time!
>
>
Janice,
Perhaps this is off topic, but I wanted to state that, as an M.D., I
would encourage you to find a different vet (as I would do with someone
who harbors discontent with their own M.D.), should you not be satisfied
with the treatment you received from your local vet. Venting might help
you feel a little better, but doesn't solve the problem about what to do
in an emergency. In the meantime, the vets you have mentioned are
excellent clinicians who have lent ungodly amounts of assistance to
those in need in the alpaca community. They need to be commended again
here.
Good luck with your girl,
Dave
--
David and Esther Friedman
Adirondack Alpacas
"From the Womb to the Loom"
Remsen, NY
www.newyorkalpacas.
315-831-3040
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