Re: [AlpacaTalk] llama colustrum
----- Original Message -----From: barngirrl@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:03 PMSubject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?: BSE
I still don't think I'd want to feed lard or whey to alpacas. Its bad enough we don't have an ALPACA milk replacer made from alpaca milk and have to feed them cow's milk.SUSANAlpaca LocoRiverside, CAIn a message dated 3/26/2010 11:27:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jgyelwa@ywave.com writes:I took the time to call the company that manufactures the Sav-a-calf products. I told the lady that there seems to be a mind set that mad cow disease can be gotten from using their products.She told me that mad cow disease does not come from pork fat. The same product that you can buy in the store in a can to make pies: it is the edible grade lard.The whey product is a by-product of cows milk from making cheese.Jim GuerinJimmini FarmYelm, WA
Jody,
Do you all realize everything you are saying about mad cow disease and feeding your animals....animal products...are exactly what each of us are made up of and cows milk has animal product in it...fat...and alpaca milk has animal product in it...fat... The alpaca is not chewing up grass and spitting down their crias throats and feeding them only vegetative product? They are feeding them animal product until they can digest grass. They way you all are carrying on about this subject seems to be going a bit over board. The product is pretty standard for all animals including humans. Do any of you replying to this eat any meat?? You must all be vegetarians?
? Then we might as well get into what pesticides are on the vegetables you eat and what cancers you will develop later in life. You are making so much of something that one person asked about using milk replacer? Milk replacer is there for those who have no other means of feeding their poor animal that may die from starvation with no mommas milk. This happens how often? So, fifty fifty, lose the animal to starvation or mad cows disease? I'd say quit scaring everyone to death about a product that is luckily there for those who need it. Your animal may have been sensitive to the replacer. Human babies also can be sensitive to milk replacer, which many use in our society, and then we have to find one that works and the baby quits throwing up on it and having diarrhea!! :) I am not criticizing you and your opinion, it's just that you all are going way outside the boundaries of the milk replacer question. This will make good people feel like they are terrible care takers of their animals using this product. It may work for some and not for others. Just my opinion on the subject ...and my last. You gave your opinion on the subject...it didn't work for you which is very sad. No one wants to watch a poor critter suffer. It worked for others which is a Yaaaa! I would hope it's not your desire to really put the scare into people who are new to this area and make them never enter alpaca hood? I would rather see comments for questions in the form of what you use and not an extreme answer to why others methods should not be used...unless it's actual animal cruelty! :) I know I probably should not have replied to this subject, but it is almost getting to the point where I have to start deleting all messages with this subject line...
Jody Ehler
Solon, IA 52333
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From: barngirrl@aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 23:03:43 -0400
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?: BSE
I still don't think I'd want to feed lard or whey to alpacas. Its bad enough we don't have an ALPACA milk replacer made from alpaca milk and have to feed them cow's milk.SUSANAlpaca LocoRiverside, CAIn a message dated 3/26/2010 11:27:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jgyelwa@ywave.com writes: I took the time to call the company that manufactures the Sav-a-calf products. I told the lady that there seems to be a mind set that mad cow disease can be gotten from using their products.She told me that mad cow disease does not come from pork fat. The same product that you can buy in the store in a can to make pies: it is the edible grade lard.The whey product is a by-product of cows milk from making cheese.Jim GuerinJimmini FarmYelm, WA
Do you all realize everything you are saying about mad cow disease and feeding your animals....animal products...are exactly what each of us are made up of and cows milk has animal product in it...fat...and alpaca milk has animal product in it...fat... The alpaca is not chewing up grass and spitting down their crias throats and feeding them only vegetative product? They are feeding them animal product until they can digest grass. They way you all are carrying on about this subject seems to be going a bit over board. The product is pretty standard for all animals including humans. Do any of you replying to this eat any meat?? You must all be vegetarians?
Jody Ehler
Solon, IA 52333
J & J Alpacas
Check out our adorable alpacas!
www.jandjalpacas.
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From: barngirrl@aol.
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 23:03:43 -0400
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?: BSE
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I don't have a problem with whey, but the lard is a major problem for me.
I still don't think I'd want to feed lard or whey to alpacas. Its bad enough we don't have an ALPACA milk replacer made from alpaca milk and have to feed them cow's milk.SUSANAlpaca LocoRiverside, CAIn a message dated 3/26/2010 11:27:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jgyelwa@ywave.com writes: I took the time to call the company that manufactures the Sav-a-calf products. I told the lady that there seems to be a mind set that mad cow disease can be gotten from using their products.She told me that mad cow disease does not come from pork fat. The same product that you can buy in the store in a can to make pies: it is the edible grade lard.The whey product is a by-product of cows milk from making cheese.Jim GuerinJimmini FarmYelm, WA
And by the way, yes, that's how I understand anything I read about these prion diseases. It seems that if you ingest infected tissue, you are then very susceptible to contracting a spongiform encephalopathy.
For what it's worth, mad cow or some form of it exists for most if not all mammals. I think I saw where it occurs about 1 in every 100,000 deer, maybe it was elk. It can and does pop up spontaneously among humans (Jacov ???) and a lot of other species. Several years ago, an outbreak on a mink ranch (and can't remember if it was the US or Russia) allowed the first decent study of the disease. That's all I know. I'm not going to go back and fact check, but I'm pretty sure I have most of that right...and indeed, last I read it appears that all animal products from an infected animal are capable of spreading the disease, but the brain is THE worst and most infective....read about Kuru.......thing is I wouldn't be at all surprised if we'd have a case in alpacas that just occurred spontaneously one of these days......But when I read what I read it was over 10 years ago, so I'm sure there's been further understanding. ..Can't remember the book I read, but it was a fascinating read.... SusanSusan Forman
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Home of Huey, Louie, and Dewey!----- Original Message -----From: Heather ZelenySent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:15 PMSubject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?http://www.kyrieolo
gy.com/drupal/ wwje/madcow "Some pigs in the United States may be infected with a porcine form of mad cow disease," according to an alarming study by U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) scientists that has recently come to light.
HeatherHeather ZelenyWhite Lotus AlpacasOregonHolistic Farm and Elite FleeceOn Mar 25, 2010, at 12:02 PM, barngirrl@aol.com wrote:
I personally wouldn't purposely feed any animal product to a herbivore. Isn't that how mad cow disease started?Susan Forman
Dewey Morning Alpacas
Washington Court House, OH 43160
740-636-1899
http://www.alpacanation.com/ deweymorning. asp
Home of Huey, Louie, and Dewey!
And here's the paragraph before the one I quoted in the previous post.
For what it's worth, mad cow or some form of it exists for most if not all mammals. I think I saw where it occurs about 1 in every 100,000 deer, maybe it was elk. It can and does pop up spontaneously among humans (Jacov ???) and a lot of other species. Several years ago, an outbreak on a mink ranch (and can't remember if it was the US or Russia) allowed the first decent study of the disease. That's all I know. I'm not going to go back and fact check, but I'm pretty sure I have most of that right...and indeed, last I read it appears that all animal products from an infected animal are capable of spreading the disease, but the brain is THE worst and most infective....read about Kuru.......thing is I wouldn't be at all surprised if we'd have a case in alpacas that just occurred spontaneously one of these days......But when I read what I read it was over 10 years ago, so I'm sure there's been further understanding. ..Can't remember the book I read, but it was a fascinating read.... SusanSusan Forman
Dewey Morning Alpacas
Washington Court House, OH 43160
740-636-1899
http://www.alpacanation.com/ deweymorning. asp
Home of Huey, Louie, and Dewey!----- Original Message -----From: Heather ZelenySent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:15 PMSubject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?http://www.kyrieolo
gy.com/drupal/ wwje/madcow "Some pigs in the United States may be infected with a porcine form of mad cow disease," according to an alarming study by U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) scientists that has recently come to light.
HeatherHeather ZelenyWhite Lotus AlpacasOregonHolistic Farm and Elite FleeceOn Mar 25, 2010, at 12:02 PM, barngirrl@aol.com wrote:
I personally wouldn't purposely feed any animal product to a herbivore. Isn't that how mad cow disease started?Susan Forman
Dewey Morning Alpacas
Washington Court House, OH 43160
740-636-1899
http://www.alpacanation.com/ deweymorning. asp
Home of Huey, Louie, and Dewey!